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Bad Guy Mike Matson of Mike's Phat Frog is a scammer !!

So Rick is expected to go out and buy enclosures for all the frogs and take time off of work Tuesday to receive the frogs, then wait the entire quarentine time to be able to start selling them? It's NOT his fault you weren't able to pay on time, TWICE! You owe him money not frogs! You made an agreement and now you need to stick to it. I didn't see anywhere in the messages when the agreement was made that if you couldn't pay he would take them back. So because something bad happened to you your going to make someone else suffer for that? Please explain to us how that doesn't make you a BAD GUY? And the smuggling I'm not even going to start with that one, but I'm positive that will hurt your ability to sell animals in this country and others. I honestly think the only way for you to gain back even an ounce of respect for anyone is to pay Rick in full asap!
 
juliasara said:
So Rick is expected to go out and buy enclosures for all the frogs and take time off of work Tuesday to receive the frogs, then wait the entire quarentine time to be able to start selling them? It's NOT his fault you weren't able to pay on time, TWICE! You owe him money not frogs! You made an agreement and now you need to stick to it. I didn't see anywhere in the messages when the agreement was made that if you couldn't pay he would take them back. So because something bad happened to you your going to make someone else suffer for that? Please explain to us how that doesn't make you a BAD GUY? And the smuggling I'm not even going to start with that one, but I'm positive that will hurt your ability to sell animals in this country and others. I honestly think the only way for you to gain back even an ounce of respect for anyone is to pay Rick in full asap!
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Thank You :)
 
Rick you have 2-3 people on here who support you and your circus act. Frogs are being shipped back to you.

I have been advised by an attorney to send them back. If you don't accept them or refuse delivery it is on you my friend. Also, knowing that you are wanting to put your frogs in harms way by not accepting the shipment back is on you also.

If these frogs are returned or shipped back to me I will take it that they are free. This deal is absolutely done.

I don't bluff like you do. You want to play ball then come and play



312Herps said:
Also since this seems to be tradition lets add some of Mike's previous BOIs

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184291

This one is great and explains how Mike likes to threaten people with physical harm :)
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...hlight=jrsexotics+Mike+Devan+Matson+Jr&page=2

This one explains how he has used many profiles on here under different names, Enjoy !
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200747&highlight=Mike+Matson


Here's a couple of mine :)
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358217

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267881
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I know I'm not the only one who sees that you are the one putting the frogs in harms way mike. I'm not supporting him, I don't know him and never heard of him till this thread was started. Please show me where in the original deal it said you could return them. That's no different then if you had paid for them before shipping and asked for your money back when you returned them. Very few reptile breeders/sellers have in their T.O.S. that you can return an animal you bought for a cash refund. As soon as you accepted the shipment the frogs were yours and the money was his. You can't just change your mind weeks/months later. You may be losing the shipping money but he is losing a lot more and that imo is just not fair. If he is willing to take them back are you willing to send the funds before shipping for all the enclosures he needs to buy and for whatever he is losing from calling out Tuesday to receive the frogs? Personally that would be the only way I would even consider taking them back and I'd want the funds to feed them for the 60 day quarentine period as well. If you hadn't made this deal and had them shipped to you he could have already sold them to someone else and now he has to wait 2 months to even advertise them.
 
Well I see Mikes true colors and will be putting him on my don't do business with list. I'm sure his reply to this will be that he doesn't care. But there are more than just myself who think what Mike is doing is completely wrong.
 
They are being shipped to his home address. If he does not wish to receive them I can give them away in a donation auction on Facebook. Your choice rick

This is not a debate. This deal is over. I am done commenting on it after this post. A few will see ricks side but many have seen mine. He did not want to wait a few more weeks nor did he want to receive the frogs back. The only danger those animals would be in is if he physically harmed them after arrival.

But I am glad that you back up someone who refuses to take back his own animals that he can sell elsewhere.

I could easily refuse to buy them as 4 of these animals came in with bacteria issues and have passed away. Rick received pics of the 1st albino male that was bacteria infested within 3 days of arriving. They still have not passed my 60 day quarantine.

So as a commercial supplier I refuse to have these animals in my breeding facility due to the loss of 4 animals from bacteria infections.





BillZ said:
That argument is quite pathetic. I seriously doubt many would agree with it.

I would look for another lawyer. Those animals are not in danger until you ship them while knowing they will not be accepted on the other end. The buyers concern that accepting them will allow a unknown disease into whatever environment he has at his end would be enough for anyone to reasonably think this is not such a good idea. Not that there is any reason he should have to accept them anyways. I'm sure you must have made purchases in the past where there are no returns accepted, in multiple industries. This concept is not a new one. I also don't see how you not holding up your end of the agreement somehow relieves you of your obligation to purchase and why you think you have the right to return the product. Maybe your "lawyer" should look into this a little further. The seller may be correct in stating you could be breaking federal laws by shipping these back knowing they will not be delivered. Maybe someone here has better input to offer on that.
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I'm sorry but this entire message is invalid. Rick still has the rack to keep these animals in. Rick has no business terms of service anywhere as he is not a business..

Like rick said "not my problem mike that you lost your inventory and cannot pay". Not my problem that he sold off or didn't sell his "rack enclosure" for these animals.

I am very easy to work with. However, if you come at me like a jerk I will give you the same attitude that you give me. My skin is fairly thick but there was a certain point that rick should not have crossed and he did.

They are being shipped back to him period. This deal is done and over. If the animals are sent back to me I will assume they are free and give them away.



juliasara said:
I know I'm not the only one who sees that you are the one putting the frogs in harms way mike. I'm not supporting him, I don't know him and never heard of him till this thread was started. Please show me where in the original deal it said you could return them. That's no different then if you had paid for them before shipping and asked for your money back when you returned them. Very few reptile breeders/sellers have in their T.O.S. that you can return an animal you bought for a cash refund. As soon as you accepted the shipment the frogs were yours and the money was his. You can't just change your mind weeks/months later. You may be losing the shipping money but he is losing a lot more and that imo is just not fair. If he is willing to take them back are you willing to send the funds before shipping for all the enclosures he needs to buy and for whatever he is losing from calling out Tuesday to receive the frogs? Personally that would be the only way I would even consider taking them back and I'd want the funds to feed them for the 60 day quarentine period as well. If you hadn't made this deal and had them shipped to you he could have already sold them to someone else and now he has to wait 2 months to even advertise them.
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We all can argue this all day. In the end it is my decision what I want to do. So, because of ricks actions these animals will be properly and legally shipped back to him. Photos will be taken to document the entire shipment as I know rick will most likely do something to harm these animals.


There is absolutely nothing keeping him from reselling these frogs to someone else. I'm not buying them
 
So mike what happens if let's say the shipment is somehow delayed or the animals die in transit back to rick because they get to hot. What will you do then, just wash your hands of it and say "sorry they my animals". After all you never paid for them right. Will you pay rick for them if that does happen. He got them to you live and well.
 
Another thing that came to mind is your analogy of a lender taking a car back from you if you don't pay. That is true that you will have to give it back and it will be a huge ding to your credit, just like this will be a negative mark on your reputation.
 
cjsreptiles said:
So mike what happens if let's say the shipment is somehow delayed or the animals die in transit back to rick because they get to hot. What will you do then, just wash your hands of it and say "sorry they my animals". After all you never paid for them right. Will you pay rick for them if that does happen. He got them to you live and well.
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I ship thru ship your reptiles and insure shipments.The temp in ricks city is 79-82 degrees this week. They will be packed in a styro fish box with 1"plus insulation.

They will be safe in that box for any delay they experience. The fedex tracking number will be posted once they arrive at his address... I will not post it until then so rick will be unable to stop the shipment.

If anything happens to these animals it will be from ricks doing.

I ship 1000s of these animals every year and rarely lose any
 
cjsreptiles said:
Another thing that came to mind is your analogy of a lender taking a car back from you if you don't pay. That is true that you will have to give it back and it will be a huge ding to your credit, just like this will be a negative mark on your reputation.
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And that is ok with me... It has nothing to do with any animals that I sell. A purchase went bad and I had to return the animals. Big deal.

Everyone has their own opinion about this.
 
Please show me where people agreed with you? From what I've seen so far everyone has agreed with the idea that sending them back is extremely wrong. Just because he isn't a business and doesn't have a TOS doesn't mean you can just do whatever you feel like. Unless it was in the original agreement, which it wasn't from what I can see, you can't just decide how things are going to work. What makes you think you have more of a say in the deal then rick?
 
Here are my terms of sale on my business page at www.facebook.com/312Herps

For Sale :

TOS
These are our available Reptiles . We offer a seven (7) day live arrival guarantee if you are there to sign for the reptile(s) or on first attempt at delivery only after which you assume all responsibility . Shipping is done through ReptilesExpress.com (FedEx) . We can always provide more photos if you ask, I do not misrepresent my reptiles in any way . We're sure you will not be disappointed with the quality of your purchases . We will always hold all reptiles for shipping until weather is appropriate on both ends . We will RESERVE any animals available for a NON-Refundable 50% of the purchase price . Remaining balance must be paid in full prior to reptile(s) being shipped . Any deposits left unpaid will be considered forfeiture of funds . Payment plans available . We do not accept any returns for any reason outside of our live arrival guarantee ,We do not ship on Thursdays or Fridays just for the reptile's safety . Please check our reviews on Fauna Classifieds BOI .You must be 18 years of age or older or have a parent contact us to make purchases.
 
I've already contacted SYR and they are aware of what he's going to do using their company after admitting to smuggling animals from Australia into America. I'm also waiting for a call back on Monday morning from Fish and Wildlife as they have also been alerted of this situation. The self-admitted smuggling and endangerment of 17 frogs should sit well with them.
 
A scammer is someone who steals your animals, ignores your contact attempts at making things right, claims they were stolen, claims they were lost in transit, died on arrival, etc....

I see no scamming going on here. Just needless drama caused by 312.

If a guy can't pay, he sends them back, you may not like it, but doesn't make it a scam.

I'll never understand sending someone a product without payment. That's just asking for trouble...
 
312Herps said:
I've already contacted SYR and they are aware of what he's going to do using their company after admitting to smuggling animals from Australia into America. I'm also waiting for a call back on Monday morning from Fish and Wildlife as they have also been alerted of this situation. The self-admitted smuggling and endangerment of 17 frogs should sit well with them.
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Rick I'll be making my own calls and I will physically go into the lawndale fish and wildlife office myself.

You just enjoy your drama brother. Frogs are coming back this week.
 
Tzeentch said:
A scammer is someone who steals your animals, ignores your contact attempts at making things right, claims they were stolen, claims they were lost in transit, died on arrival, etc....

I see no scamming going on here. Just needless drama caused by 312.

If a guy can't pay, he sends them back, you may not like it, but doesn't make it a scam.

I'll never understand sending someone a product without payment. That's just asking for trouble...
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I appreciate that you understand this point that I have been trying to make.
 
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