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Bad Guy Mike Matson of Mike's Phat Frog is a scammer !!

Then why bring it up?
Rick made a proposal, and Rick kissed it goodbye.
No one is giving Mike a pass, but if Rick seriously wanted to make an offer to end all this, he did so in a way that no one would accept.

While I agree that on this post it was worded in such a way to seriously offend, however I do recall Rick making the SAME offer way back when much earlier in this thread WITHOUT the name calling etc.
It fared no better in its reception back then so I suspect no matter how it was worded Mike is not going to pay.
 
Not like Mike is innocent of making all the disparaging, threatening, harassing comments he wants either...
What is your point? Are you saying that because one party acts that way, it's OK? It isn't.

If one is going to make an offer, don't make it in a way that no one would accept.
 
What is your point? Are you saying that because one party acts that way, it's OK? It isn't.

If one is going to make an offer, don't make it in a way that no one would accept.

Didn't say that. Just seemed you were pointing out Rick's bad behavior but not the reason for said behavior. I don't know many people who would angelically sit by and let something like losing 21 frogs and over $2000 just slide by with no show of emotion whatsoever. Rick had reason to blow his stack imo.
 
Didn't say that. Just seemed you were pointing out Rick's bad behavior but not the reason for said behavior. I don't know many people who would angelically sit by and let something like losing 21 frogs and over $2000 just slide by with no show of emotion whatsoever. Rick had reason to blow his stack imo.

You obviously did not read what I posted. I think at this point you are simply throwing stuff out there just to defend, without carefully reading and thinking, and expecting me to take you seriously.


While the BOI is certainly a place to express some negative feelings if you feel you've been done wrong, when you are putting an offer on the table for consideration, that's not the time to call names.
 
You obviously did not read what I posted. I think at this point you are simply throwing stuff out there just to defend, without carefully reading and thinking, and expecting me to take you seriously.

Um... :confused: Ok? Mike screwed Rick over-- Rick tried to solve issue-- Mike continued to screw Rick over-- Rick blew his stack-- Mike still continues to screw Rick over, and it continues... .:shrug01:
 
Rick has a point about it is easy to say you would react rationally, but having been robbed by Mike, I understand how it is easy to go over the edge when dealing with him. I said in an earlier post I was not going to post all of the emails between us. Mike stole my money under someone else's account name for a female leopard tortoise. After reviewing all of the emails, it looks like it would be very informative, if for no other reason than to reinforce what a pathological liar and thief Mike is. I know there is no way Mike will ever come up with my money. To have someone so blatantly steal and lie from you is incredibly frustrating. Watch for some more entertaining and delusional correspondence from Mike Matson.
 
I'm going to have to agree with Lucille here. It seems things got out of hand on both sides. Maybe a phone call with no yelling or name calling would have positive results.
 
One of those phone calls where there is no paper trail to incriminate him... yeah he wanted one of those from me too.
 
Cheyenne contacted me asking for my phone #. Without a doubt it was so Mike could call and threaten me with no record. I am ahead of Mike, so no #, but Cheyenne gave me "her" #, oh . guess what, it was really Mike's #. Mike ran away from me, which I will soon show in my email exchanges with him and verified by his unwitting getaway driver. All bluff. Please ask Mike for his attorney's name. I would be more than willing to spend money on an attorney to go after him to bleed him dry, but he does not have an attorney. He does not have any money. His only way to make money is to steal it.
 
Hey Mike, the second search on Google under your name is now the link to this Fauna thread. Soon this Fauna thread will rise to the top. The honest people who you have stolen from will rejoice. We may never get our money from you, but at least we can give any potential buyers an honest and informed critique of your past and current behavior. Wouldn't it have made more sense to be ethical from the start? I do not think you can help it. For some bizzare reason you are forever programmed to live the life of a petty thief.
 
"Thirteen of the horses were covered with manure and had sores and bald patches when they were removed from the farm on Southwest Grand Ronde Road, said Capt. Ken Summers, a sheriff's spokesman. They were kept in a small barn with no clean place to rest."

How can you come here talking bad about someone else after this cruelty?
 
I'm going to quote the message I just sent Steffy Paige, who just "friended" me then posted on my timeline...

"Congratulations. You see I have a past. You don't know me or my life or what caused the tragedies in my life over 6 years ago. I take it you are a friend of Mikes. I have had a lot of things happen that I cannot change, I can only do my best to make sure those things never happen again. Mike? Not so much."

I could spend hours trying talking about what happened back then, and how, and try justify what happened with the horses as a result, but the plain and simple truth of the matter is, I can't justify it. Tragedy hit my family, my mother had a severe stroke and 4 years alter my father had congestive heart failure and open heart surgery... I crashed. No excuse. The MINUTE my mother had that stroke we should have given the animals away, but that's now how it happened. I was alone, and became more and more overwhelmed, buried in depression and shut down. I looked for help, but no one was there for me. Disbelieve it all you want. I asked the local sheriff's office for help, and the records show that they were supposed to put someone in contact with me. They did not. But when it came to pass everyone came out of the woodworks to help the rescuers... why was no one there to help me? It doesn't matter, I shouldn't have given up, I should have kept trying and did whatever it took to get help for the animals, and for us. We were homeless, we barely had enough money to keep going, the medical having eaten it all (no insurance), but that is not how it happened. You all can hate my guts, but there's not a one of you out there who can hate me more than I hate myself for what happened. I can't change the past, all I can do is try to keep it from ever repeating itself. I've gone full circle and returned to my roots with the frogs, and I take better care of them than I do myself. I have much to atone to, I can never change what happened, and I will regret that to the day I die. I am doing everything I can to provide my frogs proper care and I have helped other folks with theirs. If I am to be judged then judge me by my actions now and not from the past I no longer live in.
 
I recently wrote a post about how Bad Guys will many times personally attack the poster rather than answer to the issues which make them a Bad Guy. They will try to deflect attention from themselves, onto someone else.

It is the content of a post which makes it relevant.

I am sad for the horses, but there is no way that their fate changes the content of Lisa's present posts. I have had my own disagreements with a couple of her posts and have said as much, but it was with the content, not with her as a person. I am not giving her a pass, I'm saying that part of her past is not relevant IMHO to her comments here.

Background can be relevant. If it shows a history of lying, fraud, etc., it would affect the credibility of the poster. Here, Lisa admits to what was said so it shows that she is truthful, increasing her credibility.

Again, to me, thoughtfulness and content are what is most important in a post. I am hoping this revelation about Lisa will not take the focus in this thread off of Mike, and I am wondering whether it was a deliberate attempt to do so.
 
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