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Mike Shoemaker - Rebel Dragons BAD GUY
- Thread starter Tere Salazar
- Start date
Dennis, could you check on something else for me? I hear Mike Shoemaker AKA Rebel Dragons Has yet another user name here on Fauna. AKA turtleman, could you please check the IP/ISP on that for me?
Dennis Hultman
New member
That's the most important part. Hopefully everyone gets here and can receive some help from this thread and can have the knowledge of who ripped them off.varnyard said:
BrandonB
New member
Hello everyone,
This is Kristi's son. I just finished reading thread and I can't say I'm surprised. No matter how unfortunate Michael's "situation" is I just do not have any sympathy for him. Hearing the good news today about the money being refunded is great, but there are still 11 other victims out there and I will do whatever I need to, to resolve the situation with all parties involved.
I initiated the contact with the other "winning" bidders shortly after filing my Paypal claim asking them to do the same, if we all unite against this low life I think there is a good chance everyone walks away happy. I know for a fact legal action is possible, however, we need the co-operation with everyone involved in this incident to file reports with their LOCAL AUTHORITIES and give them as much information as possible to find this guy and put him behind bars.
I know this works because I was following a thread closely on Hardforum.com and it was a very similar situation to this one. Everyone filed complaints with their local authorities and now the guy is in jail.
I really appreciate the kind words and the offer for the pet snake (however, I must decline, my cats may eat em
). While this situation is very unfortunate I believe it has tought me, even just a litte, patience.
I also want to say that without this thread, there may have not been a chance of anybody getting their money back, so I must thank everyone here for their help and support with this. Most of all the thread starter and the person that was kind enough to send everyone the link to this thread.
I look forward to hearing from you guys!
Thanks,
BrandonB
This is Kristi's son. I just finished reading thread and I can't say I'm surprised. No matter how unfortunate Michael's "situation" is I just do not have any sympathy for him. Hearing the good news today about the money being refunded is great, but there are still 11 other victims out there and I will do whatever I need to, to resolve the situation with all parties involved.
I initiated the contact with the other "winning" bidders shortly after filing my Paypal claim asking them to do the same, if we all unite against this low life I think there is a good chance everyone walks away happy. I know for a fact legal action is possible, however, we need the co-operation with everyone involved in this incident to file reports with their LOCAL AUTHORITIES and give them as much information as possible to find this guy and put him behind bars.
I know this works because I was following a thread closely on Hardforum.com and it was a very similar situation to this one. Everyone filed complaints with their local authorities and now the guy is in jail.
I really appreciate the kind words and the offer for the pet snake (however, I must decline, my cats may eat em
). While this situation is very unfortunate I believe it has tought me, even just a litte, patience. I also want to say that without this thread, there may have not been a chance of anybody getting their money back, so I must thank everyone here for their help and support with this. Most of all the thread starter and the person that was kind enough to send everyone the link to this thread.
I look forward to hearing from you guys!
Thanks,
BrandonB
redsox-fan
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Bobby,
Thanks for the email! Sorry, I wasn't exactly sure who it was from. I saw Tere's post first and assumed it was from her.
Well, I just got off the phone with PayPal. They said that they will not refund any money until they give the seller 10-12 days to respond to their claim. All this does is give Mike extra time to spend money that is not his! UGHHH. Kristi is very lucky! Did someone get a hold of the other Ebay losers? If not, I would be happy to contact them!
Please let me know if there will be a case against Mike. I would love to take a trip to AZ!!!
And thanks again to all for you for the information, advice and help! Snakes ROCK!
Marianna
Thanks for the email! Sorry, I wasn't exactly sure who it was from. I saw Tere's post first and assumed it was from her.
Well, I just got off the phone with PayPal. They said that they will not refund any money until they give the seller 10-12 days to respond to their claim. All this does is give Mike extra time to spend money that is not his! UGHHH. Kristi is very lucky! Did someone get a hold of the other Ebay losers? If not, I would be happy to contact them!
Please let me know if there will be a case against Mike. I would love to take a trip to AZ!!!
And thanks again to all for you for the information, advice and help! Snakes ROCK!
Marianna
Wilomn
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Guys, I'm cash poor but male high on male 07 het. for hypo FWCs. If anyone would care to purchase on I'd be happy to donate all proceeds, MINUS shipping costs, to this cause. I've got them at 200.00 now and shipping has been running me about 60.00.
Wilomn
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If you didn't let them know about this thread you should. Also, don't talk to the first flunky to get on the line. Insist on talking to a supervisor.redsox-fan said:
Good luck.
Dennis Hultman
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Tere, is the information (phone, address, etc) still the same as his good guy certification?
Jake The Snake
New member
I just got done reading through all of this and the people that prey on the weak are just sick.
Just wanted to express my sorrow for anyone that has ever got sucked into his scams and I wish everyone of you the best to move ever onward and not let this hold you back in any way at all. The worse things always happen to the best people, its just the way it is.
Jake Terry
Just wanted to express my sorrow for anyone that has ever got sucked into his scams and I wish everyone of you the best to move ever onward and not let this hold you back in any way at all. The worse things always happen to the best people, its just the way it is.
We can always change that wes!Wilomn said:
Jake Terry
Tere Salazar
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Dennis Hultman said:
Dennis,
Mike just moved this past Friday to a new apartment. I do have that address for anyone who's interested. I have to look at my caller i.d to see what his phone numbers are now. Will do that shortly.
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Never really cared for the guy. I made it known a long time ago that he was a pure degenerate RACIST scumbag without an ounce of goodness in him.
This latest stunt of his doesn't surprise me at all. Someone should drag his sorry ass out into the AZ desert and rip his arms and legs off and jam a REBEL FLAG in his ass.
If the fund is still open by next Friday I'll be doing my small part to see these kids can still have a merry christmas. If not I'll just get in contact with those victims that posted here to donate something to there paypal accounts.
This latest stunt of his doesn't surprise me at all. Someone should drag his sorry ass out into the AZ desert and rip his arms and legs off and jam a REBEL FLAG in his ass.
If the fund is still open by next Friday I'll be doing my small part to see these kids can still have a merry christmas. If not I'll just get in contact with those victims that posted here to donate something to there paypal accounts.
SPJ
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DThomas said:
Some more to add to the total.
I HATE scumbags that rip people off.
oinkette
New member
For Marianna
Marianna,
I talked to Paypal today and they said they would attach the thread to the others that have filed a claim on this, so hopefully it will help with their decision, and you'll get all your money back. I'll be praying that you do!
Blessings,
Kristi
Marianna,
I talked to Paypal today and they said they would attach the thread to the others that have filed a claim on this, so hopefully it will help with their decision, and you'll get all your money back. I'll be praying that you do!
Blessings,
Kristi
BryonsBoas
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I had been friends ( I thought ) with Mike for awhile. Talked to him regularly , sold him some critters etc , etc. I had no reason to doubt anything he told me since as far as I could tell he had been honest with me in the past and had no reason to lie to me.
Sometime in Nov, I called Mike to see how he was doing. He told me there were probs with his mom. She had been hurt and was loosing her house. He said he couldn't afford the plane ticket home so I asked him how much it was. He said he found a cheap red eye flight for just over $200 but was short. I jumped off the phone , drove the hour to the nearest Western Union and sent him the ticket money. I called him on my way home to let him know the money was on its way to go see his mom.
2 days later he called to say his uncle was taking care of it. No big deal , I told him to put the money towards the website Mike and Cory was building for us ( me & Laura ). He said no prob , I'd get the bells and whistles for the gesture.
A couple months later Mike paid off one of the boas I was selling him , letting me know how long it would take to pay off the other. I had no reason to not trust him so I boxed them up and sent them on. When he got the box he called to reassure the het albino would be paid for soon. I told him Merry X-mas and left the het as a gift.
The website was built but due to personal reasons on our end , we couldn't get it hosted so there it sat , 95% done waiting on us. Time went by and then everything went to Hell in a hand basket.
Him and Cory were having problems , etc , etc. He'd call 3 - 4 times a week , talking to either me or Laura. Sometimes until sun up. We were getting alot of bad info on Cory and that our website was kicked way back on the burner. No worries since we still couldn't get it hosted.
In just a few months it went from him and Cory not getting along to Mike being taken away for a suicide attempt made up by Cory to having an intervention on Cory's behalf. I stopped taking the calls because it was getting ridiculous. The night of the " intervention " Mike called saying a bunch of folks that were part of the " intervention " showed up to help Cory move out. That set off red flags.
We called other folks that we knew that also knew Mike. The info we got was disturbing. I washed my hands of him and Cory , not wanting to be associated with the drama. I chalked up loosing our web site, wanted to know where to send the box Mike had sent and just not deal with either again.
We found out about the e-bay thing Weds , not being directly involved we offered an ear and support to the folks that were drug into it. I was shocked to find out that not only the stories Mike told us about his brother and sister stealing his mom's money was a lie , but he scammed folks out of their x-mas money too.
We are so done with Mike we no longer take his calls at all and we don't want Rebel Dragons or Rebel Designs in any way connected to us. So we're out our web site and scammed for $200. Which is a drop in a bucket in comparison to those he scammed on his e-bay auctions.
My heart goes out to those he ripped off over the PS3s and I hope you do get your money back and Mike finds a new life partner in prison. Mike's situation is of his own doing and no excuse or apology will ever be enough for what he's done.
I've already offered an apology to Tere , I offer one now to Bobby for ever doubting him during the beardie fiasco. Sorry Bobby , your a good guy and I never should have questioned that.
The contact number I have for Mike is 520 - 514 - 9438. His e-mail is [email protected].
The other nick is Turtlemania. He's only used it once that I know of. Supposedly he used it to dodge Wes , LMAO.
Sometime in Nov, I called Mike to see how he was doing. He told me there were probs with his mom. She had been hurt and was loosing her house. He said he couldn't afford the plane ticket home so I asked him how much it was. He said he found a cheap red eye flight for just over $200 but was short. I jumped off the phone , drove the hour to the nearest Western Union and sent him the ticket money. I called him on my way home to let him know the money was on its way to go see his mom.
2 days later he called to say his uncle was taking care of it. No big deal , I told him to put the money towards the website Mike and Cory was building for us ( me & Laura ). He said no prob , I'd get the bells and whistles for the gesture.
A couple months later Mike paid off one of the boas I was selling him , letting me know how long it would take to pay off the other. I had no reason to not trust him so I boxed them up and sent them on. When he got the box he called to reassure the het albino would be paid for soon. I told him Merry X-mas and left the het as a gift.
The website was built but due to personal reasons on our end , we couldn't get it hosted so there it sat , 95% done waiting on us. Time went by and then everything went to Hell in a hand basket.
Him and Cory were having problems , etc , etc. He'd call 3 - 4 times a week , talking to either me or Laura. Sometimes until sun up. We were getting alot of bad info on Cory and that our website was kicked way back on the burner. No worries since we still couldn't get it hosted.
In just a few months it went from him and Cory not getting along to Mike being taken away for a suicide attempt made up by Cory to having an intervention on Cory's behalf. I stopped taking the calls because it was getting ridiculous. The night of the " intervention " Mike called saying a bunch of folks that were part of the " intervention " showed up to help Cory move out. That set off red flags.
We called other folks that we knew that also knew Mike. The info we got was disturbing. I washed my hands of him and Cory , not wanting to be associated with the drama. I chalked up loosing our web site, wanted to know where to send the box Mike had sent and just not deal with either again.
We found out about the e-bay thing Weds , not being directly involved we offered an ear and support to the folks that were drug into it. I was shocked to find out that not only the stories Mike told us about his brother and sister stealing his mom's money was a lie , but he scammed folks out of their x-mas money too.
We are so done with Mike we no longer take his calls at all and we don't want Rebel Dragons or Rebel Designs in any way connected to us. So we're out our web site and scammed for $200. Which is a drop in a bucket in comparison to those he scammed on his e-bay auctions.
My heart goes out to those he ripped off over the PS3s and I hope you do get your money back and Mike finds a new life partner in prison. Mike's situation is of his own doing and no excuse or apology will ever be enough for what he's done.
I've already offered an apology to Tere , I offer one now to Bobby for ever doubting him during the beardie fiasco. Sorry Bobby , your a good guy and I never should have questioned that.
The contact number I have for Mike is 520 - 514 - 9438. His e-mail is [email protected].
The other nick is Turtlemania. He's only used it once that I know of. Supposedly he used it to dodge Wes , LMAO.
redsox-fan
New member
oinkette said:
Thanks Kristi! I haven't seen anything from PayPal yet. I'm hoping to hear something soon! I will let you know!
Did Brandon say that he emailed everyone from your auction or just us who had the negative feedback? I wrote down all the buyers and am ready to send them emails, but I don't want to duplicate his efforts!
Marianna
ravensgait
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Is anyone set up to take CC from non paypal members?? And no I don't want to open a paypal account... Randy
GinoInDaBronx
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Legal Ramifications
Maybe someone more in the know than i am, with regard to criminal law, will be able to comment on the following...
Which legal ramifications (if any?) will/would Tere be facing should the Tucson police follow through on an investigation? Would her moving the money for mike be considered 'laundering?' Would it be 'accessory after the fact?' I am not looking to get her into trouble, but rather worry about a good person (Tere) be dragged down with this filth (mikey).
Gino Beniquez
Maybe someone more in the know than i am, with regard to criminal law, will be able to comment on the following...
Which legal ramifications (if any?) will/would Tere be facing should the Tucson police follow through on an investigation? Would her moving the money for mike be considered 'laundering?' Would it be 'accessory after the fact?' I am not looking to get her into trouble, but rather worry about a good person (Tere) be dragged down with this filth (mikey).
Gino Beniquez