Mike Shoemaker, Rebel Dragons -- Great Guy!!

[connorrm]

I believe that enough is well....enough. This is turning into a BIG P***ing match and its gotta stop. These personal attacks on you both is doing nothing. The things Mike did do that were related to business is what belongs on the BOI. Can't you guys take this to Hell? The BOI should stick to business not he said she said, they said. You know what I mean? I know I am starting to pick sides in this and I see Mike as a big time lier, I pity him to tell you all the truth. Tere I wouldn't hesitate to do business with you, I think many of us feel that way. So can we just lock up this thread and send it to hell and leave the relevent information here?

 

[connorrm]

of course, I guess i could stop reading this thread too....

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

All I can say is that I feel for all parties involved, both sides of the story have been told. And I feel that I know Tere, Paul and Mike to some degree and feel that all 3 are good people and bad things happen with good people sometimes.

The worst 2 living mistakes I ever made was having a friend move in, both times it proved fatal to the relationship and I lost more than I gained by the finicial assistance for bills during the arrangement.

I feel bad for all involved, the damage has been done and cannot be undone.

 

[PaulSage]

Even while still in Pa I had walked her through the first "accidental" breed she created. I say accident due to the fact she bred the dragon too young and was told by the breeder not to breed him until a certain age. The same dragon she continued to breed even after being confronted by it's breeder over the the too young issue.

Mike, apparently you didn't have an issue with breeding underaged or undersized female dragons while you were at my house. Shortly after you got here, you brought Meanie out of brumation and put him in the same enclosure (a 15 gallon aquarium) with Calliope, a female dragon who was less than seven months old and definitely under 300 grams. That was NOT an accident, because Calliope, (whom has since been renamed) was in her own enclosure.

 

[Rebel Dragons]

Nice try, Paul........... A laughable attempt at best.

Calliope was not even 6 months old at that time. Incapable of breeding even if I wanted to breed her. Which we both know I didn't. But like I said, nice try!!!

 

[Rebel Dragons]

I've said what I needed to say on this topic. I have nothing more to add and will certainly not lower myself to a level of responding to more lies and accusations.

Take it for what you will and let it go. I know I have........

Have a great 2006 everyone!!!!

 

[Beardie]

"Nice try, Paul........... A laughable attempt at best.

Calliope was not even 6 months old at that time. Incapable of breeding even if I wanted to breed her. Which we both know I didn't. But like I said, nice try!!!"
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Yes, a six month old dragon IS capable of breeding it depends on its health and size and conditions it was reared under. I wouldn't advise exposing a young female dragon to a mature male at that age. It places the female dragon in a situation of unnessary risk. Also the male dragon, if in breeding mode, could harrass her stressing out the female and keeping it from eating and remaining healthly.
Mike,
The more I read of about how you take care of your dragons the more I believe the stories about you freezing or allowing your animals to starve.
Plus, the more you write the more I take Tere, Johns and Paul's side in this.....
I think it's best that you give it a rest and go on with your life...elswhere's.

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Linda McBride

 

[critical bill]

Mike,
The more I read of about how you take care of your dragons the more I believe the stories about you freezing or allowing your animals to starve.
Linda McBride

Linda...there were never any stories made up about Mike freezing and starving his dragons. Just look up a few posts and you'll see that Mike openly admitted to doing it.

 

[Beardie]

"Linda...there were never any stories made up about Mike freezing and starving his dragons. Just look up a few posts and you'll see that Mike openly admitted to doing it."

Yes, I know.....I was being polite.....

Linda McBride

 

[repfriend]

OMG

I'm shaking my head here...just absolutely flabbergasted...

No matter WHICH version is correct, I still can't believe you people.

If Tere's version is correct, which mother in her right mind would just invite a STRANGER (telephone and internet relationship does not make for a TRUSTED friend, sorry) to live at her house and around her CHILDREN ???

And even if she did that out of the goodness of her heart...if the things she said happend, really DID happen...if he acted the way he did, being cruel to the kids, teaching the kids to be racists, etc, etc. SHE DIDN'T THROW HIM OUT RIGHT THEN AND THERE???? HELLO????? Weren't you worried about your KIDS if nothing else?

Yet after all that, she was still worried about Mike moving to Paul, cause he's her "friend"....???

Sorry, but it doesn't make sense, and being "a good person, just trying to do good" doesn't cut it as a excuse, NOT if you put the safety and sanity of your family ESP. YOUR CHILDREN in jeopardy.

And taking on renters while living on base??? Do you have any idea just how much against the law that is? Taking rent...oh, actually "grocery money" from your "renters" and then using that money to shop in the military commissary????? Holy cow!!! Nice way to risk one's military career and therefore the future of ones children...honestely, I can't stop shaking my head here...

There is more to the story, no matter who's version is correct, thats one thing I'm convinced off, and I think Kelli Hammack is very smart in telling them all to leave her alone and out of it.

All I see is a lot of fingerpointing, when in all truth noone here did the right thing, no matter what really happend.

Bah !!

 

[DThomas]

For goodness sake, pick ONE thread and keep it in there people.

 

[Alias47]

This is about as far as I got before I had to stop reading this agonizingly long post because my bullcrap meter was FULL.

...or another option that was presented by Tere. To move in with her family temporarily in Arizona...She had no intention of driving anywhere as she does not drive unless she absolutely has to and also the fact as she does not know Tucson very well (having never driven it) and did not know where some of the places we needed to go were. Thus making us rely on John who works Mon-Fri and sometimes Saturday 8-12hrs a day. Or on a bus system that we had no idea how to travel on, yet.

You know...even after all this...I wanted to give Mike the benefit of the doubt...that he could change.

HOWEVER...it appears that he is just rehashing all this same crap with another DIFFERENT story...

Therapy my rear...you are trying to shake off your extremely damaged reputation...and it is NOT going to work. Coming back here now and claiming that this is all Terri's fault is ridiculous. Did you actually READ what you wrote or just spout it out incoherently and hope it made sense?

This woman offered to help YOU and Cory out.
Allowing you into her HOME with her FAMILY...out of the kindness of her heart...and you have the nerve to cry about her not driving you around...and that you don't know the bus system??!???!?

GET A FRICKIN BUS ROUTE MAP...they are available FOR FREE.
Tucson isn't THAT big that you can't figure out the bus routes...but it IS big enough for you to find a job within walking distance, if need be...that is assuming you really wanted to work. Terri never agreed to be your mommy...she was allowing what she thought was a ADULT to share her home while he got on his feet...which you had NO intention of doing.

Oh, yeah...you even have the gall to complain about WHERE SHE LIVES (On the Air Force base)...and how it was an inconvenience to YOU...cry me a river...I am SURE you were aware of this BEFORE you moved across the country to Tucson...you just considered it easy prey...and when everything didn't go your way, you blamed everyone but YOURSELF...which is the root of all these problems...

Look at the way you turned to Paul immediately thereafter...and continued the same atrocious sociopathic agenda that you had with Terri.

I don't know Terri...but I HAVE met Paul...and I have to say...I trust what he says about you 100%. Paul seems to be a very meticulous individual...and a very honest one as well...he would have no need to lie about you. He isn't a self serving individual...and allowing your transgressions to become public doesn't do anything to profit him in any way shape or form. You PREYED on him...and Terri...and they both felt, in good conscience, that they couldn't sit idly by and watch you continue down this destructive path.

You said you were sorry...and that you wanted to reddem yourself and change your ways...

Until you can accept responsibility for your own actions...and stop blaming everyone else for your personal and social ineptitudes and failures...you will NEVER be reformed.

 

[connorrm]

WOW!!! Let em have it!!

 

[critical bill]

You said you were sorry...and that you wanted to reddem yourself and change your ways...

Hummmm....I wonder....

Has Mike ever paid Paul back the $500 he owes him? Thats not chump change to be walking away from. Paul....if you're reading..has he? Mike...if you're reading....have you paid Paul back yet....and if not...do you intend on paying him back?

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Thast should be answered my Paul who is as we all know out of town until the middle fo next week.

 

[PaulSage]

Thanks Wendy. Actually, only a very few people knew that I wouldn't be home, and I would have preferred to keep it that way. Now that it's posted here though, I might as well mention that I have a great security system as well as someone watching the house and all the animals.

I answered Chuck's question in private.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Sorry about that Paul and I know his house is being watched because I have tlaked to them.

 

[Tere Salazar]

Omg

The mind's ability to lose all common sense, rationalization and objectivity for the purpose of advocating another's wrongs is fascinating.

Or maybe... just maybe... the common sense, rationalization and objectivity never existed to begin with.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Ive never advocated for anyones wrongs, it was wrong for Mike to bid on your acution, everyone knows that, advocating anotehrs wrongs is on another thread that I was never involved in.

As for common sense etc, I have plenty I don't let strangers move into my home, I have let 2 friends move in at different times and both times it was a disaster and at that time I was single with no children or it would not have happened then.

I didn't know it was a screct that Paul was "out of town" and I apologized for that not to you Tere but to Paul.

 

[Rockford]

Man this whole mess is pitiful.

Mike- You got time to sit on the computer and blast others including myself and you don't have time to find a flippin' job to feed yourself or those poor dragons. Simply pitiful.

WOW!!! This site's revelations keep getting better and better. What a bunch of losers.