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Info Mike Udall, graystandman, Bad Buyer

I agree with you Kristi, and I am well aware of the Lacey act. There are certain ways to do things legally without causing hold-ups due to ignorance.

Mike
Oh really Mike, Like lying and not following the law you are "well aware of "
And I've never had to write any common and scientific name of anything. Not sure where you are coming up with this crap

I see where you're going with this thread Mike, You are rewriting history. I expect you will be posting 'altered' version of the truth soon.
I've refuted every lie you've told, you're backed into a corner that you made and here come more outrageous ones.
 
Kyle is 100% in the right on this one, sorry but you should stay in contact constantly when shipping or receiving a snake. You should also ship the snake according to the rules in place. If you can't do these simple but correct procedures maybe you shouldn't be buying or shipping snakes??
Thanks again I should've had his phone number and not knowing that he wouldn't respond to me at all through emails only makes that more clear.
 
My FedEx certification pdf.
PDD Contact : Ken Vilag
Received Date : 3/17/2008
Test or Evaluation : Test
Processed Date : 3/17/2008
Report Number : 21663
FedEx Package Test/Evaluation Report # Page 1 of 3
Customer Information
Acct # : ( not sure if I should have this public?)
Kyle Howard
Contact: Kyle Howard
Phone: 330-280-8172
FedEx Location Information
Express Station ID:
Express Sr Manager:
PHDA
Brian Miklos
Sales Professional : Giancarlo Dorazio
Phone Number : 800-786-4621 x8086
Field Engineer: Phil Rollo
Phone Number : 412-299-3414
Product Information
Commodity Code : 02 UN No : Model Number: Pcs. Per Pkg:
Values : Product Description: Cornsnake -
Packaging Information
Size : (in): 7.25 W 7.25 H 6.5 Wt 0.5 Outer Container Type: Corrugated
Container Specs: C-Flute Single Wall 200 Burst Test
Other Outer Info:
RSC style case
Inner Packaging II:
Other Inner Info: EPS foam lined box with plastic tub w/lid and shredded newspaper
Inner Packaging I: Sealing Method: Plastic P/S tape
Test Procedures Completed
Test Type : Domestic - FedEx
Drop Height (in) : 30 inches Drop Sequence : One Set Free - Fall
Drop Results: N/A
Compression Factor: 5 Compression Load (lbf) : 187
Compression Results: Meets Minimum Specifications
Vibration Profile: Domestic FedEx
Vibration Results: N/A
Vibration Duration: 60 Minutes Rotary
Impact Sequence:
Impact Results:
Impact Velocity (ft/s):
Other Applicable Tests: Results:
21663
L (in): (in): (lb):
(my addy) NW Ground Terminal Id: NCAN
Ground Sr Manager: Justin Garee
Express
(my addy) USA
* Our provision of advice, assistance or guidance on the appropriate packaging of shipment does not constitute acceptance of
liability, unless such advice, assistance or guidance is in writing from the FedEx Packaging Design and Development
department and expressly accepts liability in the event of a damaged shipment.
Comments and Packaging Recommendations*
FedEx Package Test/Evaluation Report # 21663 Page 2 of 3
Test Results
Result: Passed Date: 3/17/2008
Definitions of Results
Passed A Package,with article, that has passed all the Fedex Standard Testing Procedures. For Commodiities restricted
under Liabilities Not Assumed in the Fedex Service Guide, Service Guide Terms and Conditions will take
precedence.
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Fer what it's worth; shipping reptiles is a complete nightmare in or outta Az.... Sometimes smooth as silk; but, you will find a bunch of shipping super employees here that do not want to comply or help reptile shipping in any way, shape, form or fashion... It is true...
 
Fer what it's worth; shipping reptiles is a complete nightmare in or outta Az.... Sometimes smooth as silk; but, you will find a bunch of shipping super employees here that do not want to comply or help reptile shipping in any way, shape, form or fashion... It is true...
No doubt, I did have a problem here once with my center... they got the OK from the higher ups and saw my paperwork, now they know who I am and what I'm shipping and have had no problems here at all.
In the future I will no longer ship to hubs etc.
 
I'm not arguing the law, but most of the time I'd say it does more harm than good to write that there's a snake in the package. Knowing how most people hate snakes I imagine they're a little extra rough with them. Many well respected breeders and sellers don't write anything on there I assume due to that reason. I hope you guys can get past this since everything turned out okay in the end.
 
I'm not arguing the law, but most of the time I'd say it does more harm than good to write that there's a snake in the package. Knowing how most people hate snakes I imagine they're a little extra rough with them. Many well respected breeders and sellers don't write anything on there I assume due to that reason. I hope you guys can get past this since everything turned out okay in the end.
Thanks Bobby, Yeah I know some people don't follow the Lacey Act (I've seen quite a few discussion concerning this), and quite honestly that's their business, but this guy wants to condemn me for following the law ( that he is ignorant of).
I was over this yesterday before his threat, now he's telling outright lies and again he keeps rolling this snowball and it keeps getting bigger and bigger...
 
And for the record, I just obtained a new job and yesterday was my 2nd day on the job. I would surely have liked to stay home to pick up the corn but during the first three months you cannot be absent even once. It is ridiculous this even went to the BOI.


I would say this isn't the best time to get a new snake, I have every reptile shipped to my work where I have a cage and heat waiting on them. (writing info on box) Whether its best for the snake or not the law is the law. Another good reason to not take the chance on picking up packages, would never get stopped or put to side if going to a residence or business. I would have really appreciated all the contacting Kyle did and not consider it bothering me. He could of shipped it out and the rest was your problem, but im sure he wants to keep a good rep and continue to be a good seller., which IMO he is :thumbsup: Kyle

Kyle Grubb
Keys & Kritterz
 
Oh and Mike, please don't ever email (like I've already requested) or contact me in any way other than here on this thread, let's keep it out in the open. If you email me more 'potty mouth' talk, I'll just post it here anyways.
 
No doubt, I did have a problem here once with my center... they got the OK from the higher ups and saw my paperwork, now they know who I am and what I'm shipping and have had no problems here at all.
In the future I will no longer ship to hubs etc.

You didn't ship to a hub, you shipped to a FedEx Office (formerly Kinkos). There is a difference, and (IMO) you are better off shipping to a FedEx Staffed Facility.
I'm curious, since you made the comment about having the snake shipped to his house...does your waiver not specify business to business?
 
Thanks Bobby, Yeah I know some people don't follow the Lacey Act (I've seen quite a few discussion concerning this), and quite honestly that's their business, but this guy wants to condemn me for following the law ( that he is ignorant of).
I was over this yesterday before his threat, now he's telling outright lies and again he keeps rolling this snowball and it keeps getting bigger and bigger...

You're welcome. I honestly don't think either one of you did anything wrong except for the arguing after everything was already done. You certainly can't be at fault for following the law and I really can't find any fault with him either just because he couldn't pick up the snake till that evening. It seems to me you're probably both good guys.
 
You didn't ship to a hub, you shipped to a FedEx Office (formerly Kinkos). There is a difference, and (IMO) you are better off shipping to a FedEx Staffed Facility.
I'm curious, since you made the comment about having the snake shipped to his house...does your waiver not specify business to business?
Yeah, believe me I know it was FedEx staffed ( I found it) that's why I put in the "etc"... maybe it is better, but in this case it certainly didn't work in anyone's favor. None of the paperwork I have specifies that, but I didn't ship it to his house or his business.
 
You're welcome. I honestly don't think either one of you did anything wrong except for the arguing after everything was already done. You certainly can't be at fault for following the law and I really can't find any fault with him either just because he couldn't pick up the snake till that evening. It seems to me you're probably both good guys.
You're probably right! and I've already said the same thing about Mike, although now he has lied about me being FedEx certified and about the "offer" for 2 day shipping that I did NOT make, and how this even got to the BOI.
 
Wow, You've been busy Kyle. What is your phone number Kyle? Interesting how you keep bringing up the same stuff over and over again. The lady at the fed ex store told me you were not authorized to ship reptiles, that is where my comment came from. From what you just posted, I would say that you covered yourself and you really are Fed-ex certified. I think we've pretty much beat a dead horse here.

Mike
 
Yeah, believe me I know it was FedEx staffed ( I found it) that's why I put in the "etc"... maybe it is better, but in this case it certainly didn't work in anyone's favor. None of the paperwork I have specifies that, but I didn't ship it to his house or his business.

All Fedex Reptile Shipping contracts state business to business. Though the definition of business can be fudged as my rep told me haha. Basically if you "make up" a name for the customer's "business" it all works out ok.


Wow, You've been busy Kyle. What is your phone number Kyle? Interesting how you keep bringing up the same stuff over and over again. The lady at the fed ex store told me you were not authorized to ship reptiles, that is where my comment came from. From what you just posted, I would say that you covered yourself and you really are Fed-ex certified. I think we've pretty much beat a dead horse here.

Mike

yeah you are right you have sufficiently made yourself look bad and beat a dead horse. Your ignorance of the system and how reptile shipping works made this problem occur. You are just one of those customers that we all dread.:thumbsup:
 
I'm about ready to go to work and I really don't have a lot of time for this pi$$ing match but I am Reptile Fed-ex certified and I don't put "live snake" on my boxes because fex-ex employee's do not know the policy. I've learned that from experience. Kyle, to get reptile certified you need to call the 1800-Gofedex number and let them know that is what you want to do. They send you a package via fed ex that contains instructions on how to properly pack a snake. You must demonstrate you know how to do this before they give you your authorization. Again, even after having this capability it is best to be as vague as possible as to not draw attention from the employee's as this particular policy is widely unknown and misinterpreted. The older fed-ex handbooks doe not even permit the shipping of reptiles at all!! If they have a current policy book it is very open to interpretation. I'm done with this nonsense.

Mike

The Lacey Act trumps FedEx policy ALWAYS. Violation of the Lacey Act if you are caught and prosecuted makes you a felon. Putting the common and scientific name on the outside of the package is MANDATED by the Lacey Act. Take your waiver with you to FedEx when dropping off a package and you have no issues.

From where I sit, Kyle did everything right and Mike is whining because he didn't get to the location in time or communicate better and wants to blame Kyle for following the Lacey Act.
 
The first problem is that you are not Fex-ex certified to ship snakes as the rep at the counter told me. That is fine and dandy but you made the mistake of putting down that it was a snake.

If he was not fedex certified.. then why follow the "lacy act" and comply with the law to bring attention to the box?
 
I'm about ready to go to work and I really don't have a lot of time for this pi$$ing match but I am Reptile Fed-ex certified and I don't put "live snake" on my boxes because fex-ex employee's do not know the policy.

Ummmm that would be Federal Law... not policy :thumbsup:

The older fed-ex handbooks doe not even permit the shipping of reptiles at all!! If they have a current policy book it is very open to interpretation. I'm done with this nonsense.

Mike


If you are indeed a certified shipper.. then your name gets entered into the computer as a certified reptile shipper. There is nothing to interpt (sp?)
 
Hey Kevin Batchelor,

I'm not the one that shipped this snake here. Just because my way is different that your way does not make it wrong. I follow the Lacey Act and don't make it obvious that there is a snake in the box. And please tell me what I did wrong? If the store allows it's customers to pick up packages until 9pm and I come in at 6 pm, that means I am arriving 3 hours before the store closes. How am I too late? You may want to take your foot out of your own mouth. My policy remark is regarding the Fex-ex "POLICY" not federal law. Please read things through before attacking. And I admitted way before your post that he is a reptile certified shipper....again, read the entire post before posting. I was going by what the Fed-ex lady told me. I am not surprised she was wrong. And although I made a "threat" about going to the BOI, I never would have done it as this situation is not a big deal imo. I just wouldn't not used him again. Fact of the matter.....The true reason I had an issue was due to FEX EX having made a mistake...just as the store owner told me from the first store. It would have helped if said shipper would have made it less conspicuous that it was a live snake. This is MY opinion.
 
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