mitch behm aka behmfamily aka mitchell s. behm illegally selling snakes

[Scott Ashton]

Awwww.....I think I have a fan.

How sweet.

Grow up, man, this ain't junior high.

Man?

I think your giving this little boy too much credit.

 

[Cat_72]

Good point, Scott. LOL.

 

[Jim O]

It's James Skinny/Jesse Fricker/Troll. See http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=503679#post503679.

 

[Wilomn]

Doesn't seem that way to me.



Looks like you posted in his ad at 11:49 A.M. on the 8th. It was closed shortly after.

You started this thread at 4:59 P.M. on the same day. By my clock that is over 5 hours later, but hey maybe I'm thinking "crooked".



The post you made shows the time on the message from Mitch as 15:03, still two hours before you made this thread. While you could have not read the message before you started this thread, it doesn't really matter. You have demonstrated my point admirably. I disagree with you, so you try to attack me. Go for it, have fun. I will not participate in that kind of childish game. The simple fact is that the crime is still not actually being discussed.

JimO, it seems that for some, hmmmmm I wonder to whom I am alluding...., the world ends at the tip of their noses and anything beyond that nose tip simply isn't there.

The site is set for Greenwiche Mean Time. Take that into consideration, then that I am on the West Coast, then that you are grasping straws and it should all become clear to you.

 

[Cat_72]

It's James Skinny/Jesse Fricker/Troll. See http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=503679#post503679.

I guess that would explain the junior high attitude....

Thanks, Jim.

 

[Jim O]

LOL. Yeah, it explains everything. He's used two new ID's tonight already.

 

[romad119]

I think it's appropriate

So you think that committing a crime in purchasing and another in attempting to sell these animals is not worthy of a BOI thread? Sorry, but I disagree. It is perfectly appropriate in my opinion. What if someone equally ignorant as mitch (and I am guessing he was ignorant of the law, not intentionally breaking it although the issue regarding the Eastern Indigos has me wondering) bought them and California authorities arrested and prosecuted that person? Farfetched? Maybe, maybe not. Now the issue is here front and center and anyone researching mitch knows to be careful as to what species he is offering for sale or to buy.

As for whether Wes could have handled this privately, well yes he could have and might well have if not for mitch's arrogance. For one thing, I doubt mitch would have believed Wes and for another why should Wes have done him any favors?

But I think whether its intentional is a factor. I'd find him bad mouthing on someone elses's ad more of a foul though. Otherwise, at the level that I put this mishap into (highly subjective), and it deserving a BOI thread falls into the same category as if I started a BOI thread on dozens of breeders for violating the Lacey Act and labeling packages correctedly. Both this and Mitch's case to me are parking tickets in the scope of illegal activities that occur.

Now armed with this new knowledge, if Mitch continued on this path then that's the real kicker and where the real flags should be raised.

In regards to low balling, its a free market. Do we want price regulation or anything close? Heck no. Now I see the beef from the breeder perspective and have heard stories in the BP world especially, but he can sell at what prices he wants.

Mitch shouldn't be commenting on high prices and I don't think comments on low prices is right either. The proof is in the pudding, if the consumer wants to pay, they will and I expect price wars to only get worse as low overhead breeders doing it as a "hobby plus" become more and more common place.

If this thread serves no other purpose then to inform Mitch and others about these regulations then I think it's worth the posting. Some may not view it as an appropriate way to do it, but all of us reading this are much smarter to for it. And for that Wes, thanks.

 

[chonjoepython]

i had for sale a pair of picture perfect amazon basin emeralds for sale. mitch contacted me expressing interest. i had them for 1800 the pair. i only had them for sale this low to get cash for another project, as was stated in the ad. mitch, sensing desperation, then offered 1300 for the pair. THAT, folks is lowballing, and i dont appreciate it. and i let mitch know that i dont. as far as his ad for the imperfect northern emeralds, he did state in the ad the problems, and did include the term "pet quality" . however, i dont understand his asking market cost for them. i just dont know anyone that would buy an imperfect snake for the same amount that they could buy a perfect specimen, but he claims to have sold them, and quickly at that. oh well.

 

[jrbogie]

low balling?

It seems to me that Mitch is trying to buy low and sell high. this is good business folks. you are all on here giving him crap, and from what I see in the ads posted, he posts an ad and you guys get on there and cock-block him. When he was buying, the first reply was you cant get these at this price, and when he was selling, the first response was how dare you sell these. It seems to me like you all want to put your hands in his pockets. I'll be honest, thats why I dont sell on here. because you cant do business with other people blocking you all the time. what Mitch has done "lowballing" as you call it is what has kept american capitalism on its feet for years.
As far as selling the rubber pythons, yeah he messed up. But that is not the only accusation on the board. and selling cheaper than you, and trying to buy things at the cheapest price is not bad business and its not a crime.

 

[Jim O]

As far as selling the rubber pythons, yeah he messed up. But that is not the only accusation on the board. and selling cheaper than you, and trying to buy things at the cheapest price is not bad business and its not a crime.

This is 100% correct, and his arrogance is no crime either. It only makes him distasteful as a person. I hope for his sake that if he faces a judge over this issue (or any other), he learns contrition, as his arrogance will have any judge "throwing the book" at him.

 

[chonjoepython]

I disagree. Trying to get the lowest price is fine. But, trying to gut somebody when they are in a hurry to sell (not desperate, but eager) is bad business. At least i think so. His actions have made me convinced that he is a bad guy to deal with, either selling or buying. Good business is when you convince people that you are a joy to deal with on either end, and would return to deal again.
Maybe when the judge gives him a fine, he will try and lowball that figure too.

 

[Jim O]

It may not have felt good to you but there is nothing wrong with making an offer. All you need to do is decline if you aren't interested. Some of the best real estate deals that I have made have been from people who were "eager" to sell. That's business. You can choose not to do business with mitch, or with me. I wouldn't do business with him for other reasons, but not because he is a capitalist.

 

[Wilomn]

It may not have felt good to you but there is nothing wrong with making an offer. All you need to do is decline if you aren't interested. Some of the best real estate deals that I have made have been from people who were "eager" to sell. That's business. You can choose not to do business with mitch, or with me. I wouldn't do business with him for other reasons, but not because he is a capitalist.

This is true. I've made some great deals this way and been turned down for what would have been some great deals as well.

However, this is not in any way solely about him lowballing, which is an unpleasant way of making an offer lower than the seller is asking, but about his demeanor and willingness to ignore or claim ignorance of the law.

I made no issue of the indigo deal because indigo folks as a rule are odd and I did not think he would get a single one of them to take him up on his offer. Unless of course dan felice is still selling hybrids as purebloods. I have no problem believing he'd do as mitchy wished.

It does go to show that he thinks he's above or outside the law though and buying and then selling rubber boas in Ca. further proves that.

 

[jsrocket]

It does go to show that he thinks he's above or outside the law though and buying and then selling rubber boas in Ca. further proves that.

Knowing that there are a lot of people here, who are ready to bust his chops for just about anything, I find it hard to believe he would intentionally try a blatantly illegal deal here. I am inclined to believe it was simply a mistake.

 

[Scott Ashton]

I disagree. Trying to get the lowest price is fine. But, trying to gut somebody when they are in a hurry to sell (not desperate, but eager) is bad business. At least i think so. His actions have made me convinced that he is a bad guy to deal with, either selling or buying. Good business is when you convince people that you are a joy to deal with on either end, and would return to deal again..

Solely on the issue of negotiating price - I see no problem.

Negotiating price is part of life.

The bottom-line is that the seller is not obligated to accept any offers that they don't feel are acceptable.

Maybe when the judge gives him a fine, he will try and lowball that figure too.

And were you in the same position you wouldn't? This sort of stuff is done everyday - its just this type of thing that makes lawyers $$$$.

 

[Wilomn]

Knowing that there are a lot of people here, who are ready to bust his chops for just about anything, I find it hard to believe he would intentionally try a blatantly illegal deal here. I am inclined to believe it was simply a mistake.

Hmmm, you know, it may be that I've given ol mitchy far more credit than he deserved.

Maybe he really didn't know that it was illegal to both sell and buy rubber boas in Ca.

Maybe he really didn't know that it was illegal for even arrogant asses as he has proven himself to be, and who would know better than me, to fly out of state and purchase Eastern Indigos and then transport them back to Ca. without the proper permits.

Maybe pigs will fly too.

No, really, I SUPPOSE it IS within the realm of possibility that he is just plain dumb, well not dumb as he hears and speaks well enough, but stupid. Stupid is probably the best word to describe the actions he's demonstrated so far.

But he has told us that he is NOT stupid. So how could that be true? His truly being stupid, I mean.

Quite the conondrum. Gosh, if only he hadn't been such an ass right from the getgo. Then this thread and all these speculations wouldn't be out there.

Oh well.

 

[Scott Ashton]

Knowing that there are a lot of people here, who are ready to bust his chops for just about anything, I find it hard to believe he would intentionally try a blatantly illegal deal here. I am inclined to believe it was simply a mistake.

I guess that would be easy to accept if it hadn't been so darn easy to locate California's wildlife regs. on the Internet. Took me less than 2 minutes.

Maybe he didn't know - but there is little excuse for him not knowing.

 

[jsrocket]

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Maybe he didn't know - but there is little excuse for him not knowing.

Agreed. I could see an amateur making that mistake, but someone who calls himself a dealer should have known.

 

[ExoticsExpress]

Its not like people are picking on poor Mitch Behm because he was the one that was pulled out of the hat to bully on, it is because he goes around and bothers people and talks like he is the greatest and he is the only one who's right in any situation. Now that he has comitted an illegal action in his state, he is simply getting a taste back by other folks.

Anthony Allis
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[Behmfamily]

Just an update. I have communicated directly with the Enforcement Division of CA F&W asking them for direction and a remedy. Will provide further updates when available. That's the way a man deals with it Wesley.

Mitch