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[monkeywrench133]

Monkeywrench, I thank you for your insight

ewwwwwwwwwww....I feel so...........unclean now...........

 

[monkeywrench133]

Erin,

Rich didnt prove crap. On more than one occasion I have had 2 and 3 email notifications of PMs received and come here to check my inbox and there only be one PM. This software system does have hiccups. It could have done the same thing to Wes and he could have very easily thought the man tried to give him 3 warnings.

Chris also could have easily used his forward and back buttons to generate the multiple sendings of the warning PMs. Again, this software system does have hiccups.

So I would not be so quick to put a nail in Wes' coffin or call the man a liar over this. Working with computers has been my profession for over 10 years. There could be countless reasons why Wes got multiple PMs/Notifications for the same infraction. Forum software is some of the buggiest software ever written. Then you ad custom hacks to the software and it gets even worse.

I have seen, and had happen to me, too many software quirks just like this to say Wes is lying about receiving multiple notifications.

Sammy, I've taken what you said here very seriously, and have reread Rich's post (#56) several times.

The best case scenario I can come up with given that all of your premises held true is that Wes made a mistake.

In which case he would still owe Christopher66 an apology.

Would he still be a "liar"? No, not in my book, and I would apologize if I felt that were the case.

However, given the order, and arrangement of the pm's from Christopher66's sent box, I do not believe this situation was caused by a system error, nor by Christopher66 himself.

I also believe that Rich himself has a vested interest in determining if the system can be undermined as you have suggested. And I feel that if he had found a way to duplicate what you suggest, he would have been honest about it.

You raised some valid points, but at this time, I respectfully disagree.

 

[varnyard]

Erin, I will tell you this, Sammy and Wes are two of the most honest guys I know. Can Wes get under someones skin? You bet he can!! Can he go overboard sometimes? Sure he does.

But as for honest, he is one of the good guys.

Ed on the other hand, well we won't go there!!

I too have gotten glitch emails, not only on PMs, but forum notices as well back when I was a forum mod.

 

[monkeywrench133]

Erin, I will tell you this, Sammy and Wes are two of the most honest guys I know. Can Wes get under someones skin? You bet he can!! Can he go overboard sometimes? Sure he does.

But as for honest, he is one of the good guys.

I absolutely did not mean to suggest, in the slightest, that Sammy is anything other than an honorable, honest man.

I am not willing to agree with him at this point however.

As far as Wes is concerned, at best it looks like he was wrong, and Good Guys apologize when they are wrong. To me, that's what makes them Good Guys.

 

[Cat_72]

ewwwwwwwwwww....I feel so...........unclean now...........

*passes Erin the bleach and Handi-Wipes*

 

[critical bill]

If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

Thats a pretty lame thing to say Ed. I think of Wes as a fauna buddy of mine and when have I ever hit your rep? I really do not appreciate you insinuating that I would play some silly game of hitting your rep and rubbing your nose in it in defense of any fauna buddy of mine. Besides, Wes beats you down so often that you wouldn't have a nose if his buddies rubbed it in all the time. I sorta feel sorry for you most of the time. Sometimes I just laugh.

 

[shrap]

Sammy, I've taken what you said here very seriously, and have reread Rich's post (#56) several times.

The best case scenario I can come up with given that all of your premises held true is that Wes made a mistake.

In which case he would still owe Christopher66 an apology.

This is exactly what I believe to be true. That Wes did receive multiple warning notifications, but they were all for the same warning and caused by a bug in the software.

And I too agree that Wes made a mistake in his accusations and an apology would be the high road to take.

However, given the order, and arrangement of the pm's from Christopher66's sent box, I do not believe this situation was caused by a system error, nor by Christopher66 himself.

I also believe that Rich himself has a vested interest in determining if the system can be undermined as you have suggested. And I feel that if he had found a way to duplicate what you suggest, he would have been honest about it.

In this particular case Erin, Chris' sent box really has nothing to do with it and is irrelevant. Speaking from experience, most often when this type of software bug happens it is one directional only. Basically the system got a hiccup and just shot off three Notifications.

As far as the system being undermined, it aint about being undermined at all. That would be suggesting that Chris intentionally did something to cause this to happen. All software has bugs. ALL. And lots of them. Servers do have hiccups. And lots of them. Many can be duplicated and many can not. It is not as simple or as cut and dried as you seem to think. It is not about someone undermining, it is about the software and server doing things on their own.

Have you ever received two or more DUPLICATE notifications within the SAME MINUTE from your bank? Or Ticket Master? Or Amazon? Or some other company? These type of hiccups happen all the time Erin. All the time.

You raised some valid points, but at this time, I respectfully disagree.

That is your choice Erin, and you are more than welcome to it. But myself, based on what I know from over ten years working with and troubleshooting software/PCs for a living I dont think Wes is lying at all.

 

[varnyard]

Thats a pretty lame thing to say Ed. I think of Wes as a fauna buddy of mine and when have I ever hit your rep? I really do not appreciate you insinuating that I would play some silly game of hitting your rep and rubbing your nose in it in defense of any fauna buddy of mine. Besides, Wes beats you down so often that you wouldn't have a nose if his buddies rubbed it in all the time. I sorta feel sorry for you most of the time. Sometimes I just laugh.

I have not either, so Ed, do tell, who are all these friends of Wes's that have been hitting your karma reps?

 

[kmurphy]

As disgusted as I am to admit it, I did find myself agreeing with Jim Flaherty

Erin, I have always thought of your posts as well thought out and a great asset to the BOI. This quote above seems uncharacteristically unnecessary. What good did it do? It would have received a response from just about anyone.

Jim certainly has had his disagreements with many here but he wasn't a scammer, scumbag, liar or anything even close to this. His animals are top notch and he has a very satisfied customer base. I don't get it.

 

[critical bill]

Erin, I have always thought of your posts as well thought out and a great asset to the BOI. This quote above seems uncharacteristically unnecessary. What good did it do? It would have received a response from just about anyone.

Jim certainly has had his disagreements with many here but he wasn't a scammer, scumbag, liar or anything even close to this. His animals are top notch and he has a very satisfied customer base. I don't get it.

Absolutely. I've had the pleasure of talking with Jim a couple of times and he's a good guy.

Great post Kev.

 

[monkeywrench133]

Erin, I have always thought of your posts as well thought out and a great asset to the BOI. This quote above seems uncharacteristically unnecessary. What good did it do? It would have received a response from just about anyone.

Jim certainly has had his disagreements with many here but he wasn't a scammer, scumbag, liar or anything even close to this. His animals are top notch and he has a very satisfied customer base. I don't get it.

No Kevin, Jim is none of those things you mention, you are correct.

I think my comment would be best described as an inside joke between myself and Jim. It was not meant to belittle either him as a person, or his business. I am sorry that you took it that way.

 

[shrap]

I think a lot of the animosity towards Jim goes back to his unwavering and often belligerent support of Wendy Childs.

 

[monkeywrench133]

Sammy, I won't go through your post point by point, I'm short for time this morning.

So, I"ll just say this. Out of respect for you, your integrity, and you superior knowledge of how these systems do work, I will keep an open mind about whether this situation was an honest misunderstanding or not.

I've got to run, I hope everyone has a great day.

 

[WebSlave]

This is exactly what I believe to be true. That Wes did receive multiple warning notifications, but they were all for the same warning and caused by a bug in the software.

And I too agree that Wes made a mistake in his accusations and an apology would be the high road to take.



In this particular case Erin, Chris' sent box really has nothing to do with it and is irrelevant. Speaking from experience, most often when this type of software bug happens it is one directional only. Basically the system got a hiccup and just shot off three Notifications.

As far as the system being undermined, it aint about being undermined at all. That would be suggesting that Chris intentionally did something to cause this to happen. All software has bugs. ALL. And lots of them. Servers do have hiccups. And lots of them. Many can be duplicated and many can not. It is not as simple or as cut and dried as you seem to think. It is not about someone undermining, it is about the software and server doing things on their own.

Have you ever received two or more DUPLICATE notifications within the SAME MINUTE from your bank? Or Ticket Master? Or Amazon? Or some other company? These type of hiccups happen all the time Erin. All the time.



That is your choice Erin, and you are more than welcome to it. But myself, based on what I know from over ten years working with and troubleshooting software/PCs for a living I dont think Wes is lying at all.

Well, while anything is certainly possible, it just seems odd that THIS is the only incidence I am aware of where such a thing has happened on this site in all the years it has been in existence. The mail system being used by the warning system is the same one that all emailed notices uses, which certainly implies that such a "bug" would manifest itself more than simply once. I SINCERELY doubt that anyone here gets more email notices than I do issuing from this system and I have NEVER gotten multiple notices of the same event. If Wes's mail service from his ISP has issues, it certainly seems that he would have had this multiple issue problem show up more than once, I would think. Perhaps enough times that he would have recognized it by now and not jumped to the conclusion that it was caused by maliciousness from the sender.

I will say this, though. Whenever I have gotten multiply issued emails that were a glitch from my ISP they were ALWAYS stamped with exactly the same timestamp. The timestamp on emails is NOT when it is downloaded to the destination computer, so certainly any bug or glitch would have very likely had them all timestamped identically. Yes, I have had glitches that would cause emails to be downloaded from my server that did not delete the downloaded messages, making it appear they were multiple copies of the same one. HOWEVER, they ALL had the same identical timestamp on them.

Secondly, the evidence of this even happening was not presented. No this is not the BOI, but still, some wrong-doing was being accused of someone here without a shred of hard evidence whatsoever. When asked for it, Wes said he deleted it. Since Wes has been known to drag up emails from me from a long while back, it just seems odd that those emails that he was so concerned about in reference to the supposed multiple warnings and the only evidence he had to prove his case, would have been deleted. If this WERE a BOI issue, many people would have jumped all over that excuse.

So was this all just a case of a bug, a glitch, malicious behavior on the sender, a mistake on the recipient, or a lie by the recipient?

I guess you have to come to your own conclusions based on the "evidence" presented.

 

[Jim O]

Wes sometimes thinks he is untouchable and crosses that imaginary line on a dailey basis. If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

Care to name names? I've been seen to be one of his buddies and I can't recall giving you negative rep for issuing warning points either.

With your permission Rich can access all of the rep you've been given, by whom, and the comments, if any. I for one, would be curious.

 

[Stardust]

OK I have dinged Wes a few times. Only once did I get crap from him and his buddies about him quoting "Southpark". I have no friggin idea what "Southpark" is or what it about. Still in a quote he did swear period. Sure they gave me a little crap and Wes expalined it was a cartoon to me and it died down quickly. I received NO bad karma from anyone and NO real crap from anyone and I have dinged him several times.

As a matter of fact the last ding I gave him he asked me about 15 minutes later if I had dinged him again. I said no, which I didn't, he said again to me he just received a second notification saying I did in the mail. He looked and I looked to make sure I didn't make a mistake and I had only dinged him once.

No I did not ask him to forward anything, I just accepted his word on it. I find it odd as well that he is the only one getting these notices but I just can't see why he would lie to me as this thread was long died down and my last ding only happened a couple of days ago.

 

[shrap]

As a matter of fact the last ding I gave him he asked me about 15 minutes later if I had dinged him again. I said no, which I didn't, he said again to me he just received a second notification saying I did in the mail. He looked and I looked to make sure I didn't make a mistake and I had only dinged him once.

No I did not ask him to forward anything, I just accepted his word on it. I find it odd as well that he is the only one getting these notices but I just can't see why he would lie to me as this thread was long died down and my last ding only happened a couple of days ago.

Maybe the server itself is so sick of having its resources used on giving him warnings that it is trying to send him warnings too.


Rich,

Bobby Hill and I both have received multiple notifications for a single event. I just never found it important enough to bother mentioning. So it is happening.

And you are correct, people will come to their own conclusions, so it is best that they get as much plausible information as possible. And duplicate warnings from buggy software and server hiccups is most certainly valid information to have before calling the man a liar.

Now Wes jumping to conclusions about the duplicate notifications is another matter entirely. I think looking back we all agree that he probably did.

 

[Ed Clark]

Jim I dont see where posting the names you want will do any good, my post was a responce to Erins post about Wes which I agreed with. If Rich wants to look at it and verify it , thats OK with me. I dont want those names posted in public.

Care to name names? I've been seen to be one of his buddies and I can't recall giving you negative rep for issuing warning points either.

With your permission Rich can access all of the rep you've been given, by whom, and the comments, if any. I for one, would be curious.

 

[Seamus Haley]

Bobby Hill and I both have received multiple notifications for a single event. I just never found it important enough to bother mentioning. So it is happening.

For whatever little it may be worth, I've gotten multiple identical messages a few times myself. About six days ago was the last time it happened, it's rare but it's happened more than once off Fauna for me. I figured it was just a hiccup and didn't even consider it a possibility about this Wes thing until it was brought up by others. I have never gotten three, only two and only a few times over the years, always simultaneously. Really wish I had bothered saving any of the notification emails so I could look at the headers and timestamps; the contents were the same though.

I've had a few double-posts floating around too, when the submit button was hit only once. Not as often with Fauna as with some other sites but a couple times, usually when the site was loading slowly.

 

[critical bill]

Jim I dont see where posting the names you want will do any good,

It would do a lot of good for you considering you made the accusation that I, like Jim, and like others have hit your karma and rubbed your nose in it.

You wont do it because you cant do it and because you are a liar and a sorry excuse for a moderator. I say that because you used your moderating responsibilities, and the accustaion of the suffering you claim to have endured over exercising the responsibility, to gain sympathy while telling a flat out lie.

my post was a responce to Erins post about Wes

NO IT WAS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH HER POST. All you did was cry the friggin blues to Erin about Wes crossing the line so often and how his buddies you cant/wont name smack your karma around because you issue him warnings. You cried about how tough it is to do your job as a moderator while worrying about green dots dissapearing. Silly fairy stuff like that.

If you wont name names then you should offer an apology for what you cant provide proof for. I'll take my apology from you right now.