Mods who are SOOOOO smart they don't even have to read the guidelines

[Ed Clark]

Paulina, you are very right about that, most of the time its like a caught in the moment kind of thing. when you think about it a little bit later, it all seems real stupid and childish.

It's kind of funny how people that are older fight like 3 year olds. I get it at my age but when it's people in their 30's and 40's, it's ridiculous.

 

[Griz]

Yet some people still can't help themselves even after time has elapsed. Go figure.

Griz

 

[monkeywrench133]

I hadn't read this thread before this morning, but it had floated back to the top, and I just happen to start reading it.

Then I went all the way back to the beginning and read it all the way through.

Then I came back and reread it again, and again.

There's lots of interesting stuff in this thread.

People criticizing Rich for how he runs this site.
People criticizing others for becoming Benefactor members in a "quest for power".

Some really entertaining stuff.
Some really stupid stuff.

But at the beginning of all this stuff is a lie. Wes's original post, where he accuses Christopher66 of trying to ding him 3 times in 30 minutes. And then lots of insults. All based on how stupid Wes thinks Christopher66 is because he tried to ding Wes three times in 30 minutes. And lots of talk about how much Wes enjoys rubbing people's noses in their stupidity.

Then, in post #56 Rich proves that Wes is lying, because he shows that a mod can not ding anyone more than once a day.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=490725&postcount=56


But nowhere in the following 106 posts, do I find an apology.

As disgusted as I am to admit it, I did find myself agreeing with Jim Flaherty

"Some amazing parallels today. We have a vindictive Matt Graybeal hoping against hope that a Dennis Hultman in AZ, who had a brush with a civil fine, is the same Fauna Dennis H. in CA, so that Matt can make his label of "scum" stick to Fauna Dennis.

Here, we have a ________ Wes hoping against hope that 3 PM's that he got about a warning were indicative of Chris 66 being in a ding frenzy aimed at Wes, and not Wes's mistake, so that Wes can make the labels of "hubris, stupid, fool" stick to 66.

While there are condemnations of Matt, and requests if not demands for apologies from him to Dennis, many are probably not surprised that there has been no apology there, and in fact more antagonism from him in related threads. Don't see too many requests for an apology here though, but that is probably to be expected .... huh ? Don't see an apology either. Takes character to apologize, and I guess neither 66 of Dennis should lose sleep expecting one."

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=491054&postcount=66

Which makes this statement of Wes's even more ironic:
"I've always spoken up for what was wrong, be it a bad guy stealing from someone or the way people were treated by others here."

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=490389&postcount=13

Now, I know that I'm going to get attacked for bringing this back up.
Attacked because Wes is in the middle of a three day suspension, and can't defend himself.
But he's had 4 MONTHS to apologize, how much more time does he need?

And then, when Wes is off the suspension, he'll attack and insult me personally, and accuse me of being someone other than me, for daring to ask why he hasn't apologized


The thing that really bothers me is this: In the last four months, why hasn't anyone else asked where the apology is?

 

[varnyard]

Exactly Erin, that's why I no longer choose to be a Moderator here. There and some of the mods here are known scammers, some of the others have morals that lack, or just no class at all. I will not choose to call them my team members.

There are many other mods that are 100% awesome, but there are a few that are so called mods here are not what I want to call part of the team. I will not respect them, or turn my back from the truth. Rich's rules state that a Mod can not confront another Mod in a open forum, I am no longer an acting Mod. A spade is still a spade, bottom line!!

 

[Dr Owens]

Exactly Erin, that's why I no longer choose to be a Moderator here. There and some of the mods here are known scammers, some of the others have morals that lack, or just no class at all. I will not choose to call them my team members.

There are many other mods that are 100% awesome, but there are a few that are so called mods here are not what I want to call part of the team. I will not respect them, or turn my back from the truth. Rich's rules state that a Mod can not confront another Mod in a open forum, I am no longer an acting Mod. A spade is still a spade, bottom line!!

Bobby,
I respect your decision, but have you given any thought to the fact that you could probably do more to raise the standard of the moderators as a mod than by quitting in protest? I ask this with all due respect as I thought that you were a good moderator.

 

[Griz]

Doc, that's originally what I told Bobby. However, it has become perfectly clear that the mods are not going to be held to any real standard at all and that anyone can buy the priviledge. So, what fight a losing battle? It's just not worth the rep hit to Bobby.

Griz

 

[WebSlave]

Doc, that's originally what I told Bobby. However, it has become perfectly clear that the mods are not going to be held to any real standard at all and that anyone can buy the priviledge. So, what fight a losing battle? It's just not worth the rep hit to Bobby.

Griz

So I take it you are recommending that this site just become completely unmoderated? After all, why should ANY of us fight this losing battle?

 

[Cat_72]

Bobby,
I respect your decision, but have you given any thought to the fact that you could probably do more to raise the standard of the moderators as a mod than by quitting in protest? I ask this with all due respect as I thought that you were a good moderator.

I'm sure Bobby will correct me if I'm wrong here.....but I don't think his quitting as a mod had anything to do with "protest". It was more a question of not wanting to be included as a member of a questionable at best "team".

There are a few really great mods here, but the ones that aren't so great tarnish the general rep of them all, IMO. When known scammers and scum are allowed to be mods, it doesn't lend much credit to the group in general.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Doc, that's originally what I told Bobby. However, it has become perfectly clear that the mods are not going to be held to any real standard at all and that anyone can buy the priviledge. So, what fight a losing battle? It's just not worth the rep hit to Bobby.

Griz

There are two paths that every one of us can take in life. On one hand, we could realize that each person is capable of making a difference, whether it be individually or as part of a collective effort. Yes, it can seem overly daunting sometimes, especially in a society where we've become spoiled by instant gratification and have tended to focus on the smaller, rather than the big, picture.

On the other hand, a person could just resign themselves to do-nothing defeatism. In the end, it's only the person of action that stands to accomplish something positive.

 

[Ed Clark]

Erin what a great post, Wes sometimes thinks he is untouchable and crosses that imaginary line on a dailey basis. If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

 

[varnyard]

Erin what a great post, Wes sometimes thinks he is untouchable and crosses that imaginary line on a dailey basis. If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

My point exactly Jay.....

 

[varnyard]

I'm sure Bobby will correct me if I'm wrong here.....but I don't think his quitting as a mod had anything to do with "protest". It was more a question of not wanting to be included as a member of a questionable at best "team".

There are a few really great mods here, but the ones that aren't so great tarnish the general rep of them all, IMO. When known scammers and scum are allowed to be mods, it doesn't lend much credit to the group in general.

You do know me Cathy!!

That said, I just don't want to be pitted with some of these, I also do not need to name names, everyone knows exactly who they are and just how much they are worth.

Enough said!!

 

[Cat_72]

Erin what a great post, Wes sometimes thinks he is untouchable and crosses that imaginary line on a dailey basis. If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

BS, Ed.

Wes deserves the majority of the warnings he gets, and he knows it.

It's when folks hit someone for posts made BEFORE new rules took effect, and things like that, that cause such mods to get "hit".

 

[Scott Ashton]

BS, Ed.

Wes deserves the majority of the warnings he gets, and he knows it.

It's when folks hit someone for posts made BEFORE new rules took effect, and things like that, that cause such mods to get "hit".

Right Cathy.

And as far as I know Wes doesn't send threatening and profanity laiden PM's.

 

[shrap]

If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

If you are including me in that quote there sport I would have to flat out call you a liar. I stated plainly why I dinged your karma and it had nothing to do with you giving Wes warning points.

 

[hhmoore]

Erin what a great post, Wes sometimes thinks he is untouchable and crosses that imaginary line on a dailey basis. If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

I have to disagree, Ed.
For the most part, Wes takes his warnings in stride. Sure, he takes exception to some - particularly when he is in conflict with the person - but, of course, THOSE are the ones that people become aware of.
(I can't comment from experience on his buddies hitting reps hard - but I think, from reading here, it is quite likely that Wes' warning points are not the driving factor)

 

[varnyard]

If you are including me in that quote there sport I would have to flat out call you a liar. I stated plainly why I dinged your karma and it had nothing to do with you giving Wes warning points.

No need to explain Sammy, we all see the whole picture.

 

[shrap]

Then, in post #56 Rich proves that Wes is lying, because he shows that a mod can not ding anyone more than once a day.

Erin,

Rich didnt prove crap. On more than one occasion I have had 2 and 3 email notifications of PMs received and come here to check my inbox and there only be one PM. This software system does have hiccups. It could have done the same thing to Wes and he could have very easily thought the man tried to give him 3 warnings.

Chris also could have easily used his forward and back buttons to generate the multiple sendings of the warning PMs. Again, this software system does have hiccups.

So I would not be so quick to put a nail in Wes' coffin or call the man a liar over this. Working with computers has been my profession for over 10 years. There could be countless reasons why Wes got multiple PMs/Notifications for the same infraction. Forum software is some of the buggiest software ever written. Then you ad custom hacks to the software and it gets even worse.

I have seen, and had happen to me, too many software quirks just like this to say Wes is lying about receiving multiple notifications.

 

[Dr Owens]

If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

This is just flat out untrue. I doubt that anyone (other than Rich possibly) has given Wes more warning points than me, and I have only gotten bad karma from Wes once...and that was back in October of 2005 when there weren't limits on giving karma like there are now (and it didn't have anything to do with my warning him for something). In addition, I have never gotten bad karma from anyone else in response to my giving Wes warning points.

Now, that's not to say that Wes isn't going to have something to say about someone giving him warning points, but I have certainly never seen him act in a petty or vengeful manner through something like the karma system as a means of "retaliation."

 

[Chameleon Company]

I have given up even the slightest appearance of being a regular poster here, as this is perhaps my 3rd or 4th post in as many months. There are so many targets in these last 20 posts or so, that one would need a blunderbus to cover them all. My bullets are retired though, and I've learned to move on without being able to enliven my senses with the smell of burnt gunpowder.

Monkeywrench, I thank you for your insight:

As disgusted as I am to admit it, I did find myself agreeing with Jim Flaherty

It is so gratifying to see that my wisdom here is as eternal as I always knew it was ......