Mods who are SOOOOO smart they don't even have to read the guidelines

[critical bill]

Regardless of anyone else's wishes or demands on how this site should be run, my allowing moderators (meaning system mods and those people who have ponied up to help out here in that respect) to be publicly belittled and attacked for their actions in that capacity is just not appropriate. I had hoped that all the other mods would deal with this without my hand in it, but obviously my help is needed.

Rich, I have never attacked nor complained to any moderator on this site that has had to issue me warning points. In fact, I have apologized to many moderators after recieving warnings for placing them in a situation that htey may have agreed with me but could not turn a blind eye to something I had written. I think the mods do a fine and fair job in most instances with the exception of one moderator who consistently need to be reminded by other mods of his blatant abuse of the system in administering warnings to your member base. That moderator is Ed. It is apprently true what I'm saying with a simple glance of Ed's past and most recent warning that were earned in the capacity of moderator.

It sounds like what youre saying is that I could simply pony up for the coins to be a moderator, fail in every aspect of my duties with vindictive and child like behavior, aggravate half the other moderating staff by doing so by continuosly having to correct me, and fall under a blanket of protection by a rule designed to protect the moderating staff.

Has Ed been exactly using his mod status in effor to help out? How is helping the site and its members when other team mods spend more time correcting him?

Several members have made an obvious attempt to derail this program and purposely belittle any moderator who will issue them warning points. Without trying to fathom the intentions behind such actions, and trying to read between the lines of such postings to try to determine valid complaints based on just malicious attacks, I am just flat out putting a stop to it.

Not any moderator, its Ed, maybe Chris too, but its mostly been about Ed. And its really not about in his issuing of warning points. He has pointed me for things I've deserved and I hold no grudge against him for being right in doing so. Its about him and the way he behaves as a member and then all of a sudden he turns moderator on you and nails you with warning points. Again just look at the wraning he's received today. He is doing right in front of you.

These people are trying to help me out with a difficult job.

And I'm sure its more then a few members and mods opinion that Ed is making the job of helping you more and more difficult.

If a mod abuses their power, yes, there are ways that myself and the other mods can deal with it.

Sweet. Can you remove the warning points Ed issued me in his abuse? Or is the gratification in that he also got warning points so were all fair and square?

Is he going to apologize for abusing the system and dinging people with points that did not deserve them?

I will inflict increasingly severe sanctions upon anyone ignoring this warning that YOU are not to attack those people who are trying to help make this site better. You do not owe anyone respect here, but I will not stand by and allow such obvious disrespect inflicted upon these people.

I have a problem with one person. A person who doesn't take the job as mod very serious at all. An abusive mod to some of the member base and unto his own moderating team. The only thing that is obvious is his disrespect for the system, the moderating team, and for select members that have called him to task for his recent past and present behavior.

I don't feel I've said anything so horrible about Ed that isn't the truth to warrant any vacations around here.

 

[KelliH]

Regardless of anyone else's wishes or demands on how this site should be run, my allowing moderators (meaning system mods and those people who have ponied up to help out here in that respect) to be publicly belittled and attacked for their actions in that capacity is just not appropriate. Any member can bring this to the attention of myself or the other mods, but the manner in which it is done necessarily must resist the urge to antagonize or be in any way derogatory to that mod. This has been going on long enough, and is NOW over with. I had hoped that all the other mods would deal with this without my hand in it, but obviously my help is needed.

Several members have made an obvious attempt to derail this program and purposely belittle any moderator who will issue them warning points. Without trying to fathom the intentions behind such actions, and trying to read between the lines of such postings to try to determine valid complaints based on just malicious attacks, I am just flat out putting a stop to it. Post your complaints, but leave the CRAP out of it. Period. And if it smells like crap and looks like crap, even to the most discriminating eye, it IS crap.

These people are trying to help me out with a difficult job. I will not stand by and watch them slashed to ribbons by the very crowd they are trying to help me keep within reasonable guidelines.

If a mod abuses their power, yes, there are ways that myself and the other mods can deal with it. These ways do NOT include standing by and watching others try their best to not only belittle one or more particular mods, but also in the process, attempt to terrorize other mods into allowing antagonistic members to do as they please here.

So, sorry folks, but your games are over with in that respect here. I will inflict increasingly severe sanctions upon anyone ignoring this warning that YOU are not to attack those people who are trying to help make this site better. You do not owe anyone respect here, but I will not stand by and allow such obvious disrespect inflicted upon these people.

I hope this is perfectly clear with everyone here, because if not, I will take whatever steps are necessary to MAKE it perfectly clear.

So if anyone here believes this site will just fold up and die without them, and wants to push this issue, well, go ahead. Let's see what happens after you are gone.

A most excellent post, and I for one think it's a step in the right direction.

 

[WebSlave]

Chuck,

Here's the post that Ed warned you about concerning antagonizing a moderator:

Hey Eddie, don't get yourself in anymore hot water then you've already gotten yourself into with further insinuations that I have an inability to understand the simplest form of ignorant writings and ramblings from a really simple person like you. I understood what you wrote perfectly. It states clearly that not only are you a liar but you are also a coward. Indeed you did not name me or Jim specifically, but in your dumb blanket statement that covered all of Wes's buddies, you failed to exclude us.

But your chance to apologize has come and gone. Its game on fella. I'm now going to do exactly what you cried to Erin about. Now you'll have a reason to pout about green dots.

I agree with his assessment of your intentions when you made that post. It was done in order to antagonize. That is the kind of CRAP that will end here, or the CRAPPERS will be gone.

 

[monkeywrench133]

Chuck,

Here's the post that Ed warned you about concerning antagonizing a moderator:



I agree with his assessment of your intentions when you made that post. It was done in order to antagonize. That is the kind of CRAP that will end here, or the CRAPPERS will be gone.

Rich, I absolutely agree with you that Chuck's post was antagonistic, and if he had been dinged by Dennis Thomas, or any one other than Ed, for "antagonism towards another member" or "attacking outside the BOI", those points would be completely warranted.

However, those points were assessed by Ed as "Antagonism towards Moderators". It is my understanding that benefactor Mods, participating in a thread in a non-moderator capacity, are as fair a game as any other member.

Is my understanding incorrect?

If it is not, then the points Ed gave Chuck are completely unwarranted, and should be removed, because there is no way that Ed's actions in this thread were in any way Moderator Duty related.

 

[WebSlave]

Rich, you could have just said Ed has a free pass.

Bobby, YOUR personal issues with anyone on this site are not my concern. I am just laying the law down. You can choose what you will concerning what to do about it.

As for Ed's role as a moderator and the apparent issues about this, let's look at the facts. I will copy the warnings Ed has made against other members along with the post referenced by that warning so we can evaluate the circumstances.

• 05/24/06 to varnyard (Antagonism Towards Moderators) - Comment "Mr. Hill, antagonism will not be tolerated. please remember that there are rules to abide by here".
  

  Ed, you want to make this personal? Well, this is not about me. It is all about you and your less than honest actions, you have been caught in lie after lie, yet still act like you are the good Mod here. You are no more than a scumbag and this thread is well deserved.
  
  It is just fine in your book to run around and act like God here, well wake up, this is not heaven and you sure as hell are not God. Lies about Wes, Lies about Griz, Lies about Sammy, lies about ads. Lies, lies and more lies Ed, word up Ed, playtime is over!!
  
  You want to make it personal? I am game you idiot, as for idiot, well if it looks like one, acts stupid like one, smells like one and points their finger at everyone else, then it must be an idiot. Wear it with pride Ed, you are nothing more than scum, I will call you on it every time, bet on it!!
  
  Lets talk about how you issue warning points on old posts before the new rules were even made. Or how about your habit of spamming other peoples ads, oh yes, you got one even cheaper, you have even posted right on their ads!! You are a very poor excuse of a human, your morals suck at best, now you have been caught misrepresenting your animals. Then you run around with your warning points to silence the mass, good luck Ed, it is not going to fly any longer.

  
  In my opinion, Bobby was addressing Ed as a moderator and making claims about his role in how he moderates on this site. Although many mods will be reluctant about taking part as a moderator in a thread they are also participating in, there is NO restriction against them doing that. Therefore, in my opinion, this warning IS legit in that Bobby was antagonizing Ed within the context of his moderating actions.
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• 05/24/07 to critical bill (Antagonism Towards Moderators) - Comment "Mr. Kimmel, antagonism will not be tolerated.please remember that there are rules to abide by here"
  

  Hey Eddie, don't get yourself in anymore hot water then you've already gotten yourself into with further insinuations that I have an inability to understand the simplest form of ignorant writings and ramblings from a really simple person like you. I understood what you wrote perfectly. It states clearly that not only are you a liar but you are also a coward. Indeed you did not name me or Jim specifically, but in your dumb blanket statement that covered all of Wes's buddies, you failed to exclude us.
  
  But your chance to apologize has come and gone. Its game on fella. I'm now going to do exactly what you cried to Erin about. Now you'll have a reason to pout about green dots.

  
  This one is a little bit more in the gray area. Although the post made by Chuck does not specifically mention anything about Ed's moderator duties the post itself is in reference to this post made by Ed:
  

  Erin what a great post, Wes sometimes thinks he is untouchable and crosses that imaginary line on a dailey basis. If you should dare give the great Wes a warning for any of his over the line adventures.....be prepared for his Buddys to hit your rep hard and rub your nose in it as they do that.

  
  Obviously, the original reference is indeed concerning moderator duties and the repercussions the Ed claimed would result from those actions. Like I said, gray area, but certainly not anything I would be even remotely willing to claim as being a clear cut case of moderator's warning abuse.
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• 05/22/07 to merrida (Inappropriate advertising or spamming) - No comment.
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• 05/21/07 to Wilomn (Antagonism Towards Moderators) - Comment "Wes, It just is not right!"
  

  Awwww, someone gots his panties all wadded up over big bad mean ol Wilomn saying things about him.
  
  This clown shouldn't even BE a mod.
  
  Maybe I'll just by my way in and start playing his game, the game he can only play and win because I have NOT payed to give points to someone.
  
  It must REALLY suck to be so stupid that you can't fight back with words, you can't be as caustic, or funny for that matter, can't tell the truth about someone in such a way as to make them wish you hadn't told that truth, eh chrissy, to be just too doggone limited in the smarts necessary to even come CLOSE to a witty reply.
  
  Man, I'd hate to be YOU, your parents, your signifigant other, your children, even someone who knew you much less a friend. You're SOOOOOOOO substandard in SOOOOOO many ways.
  
  Go ahead shortround, hit me again. I need another laugh, I've been cleaning rat cages and it's just not anywhere near as fun dealing with that crap as it is laughing at yours.
  
  I also find it just funny as heck that YOU, my pimple, are the ONLY mod, of ANY stature, to think as you do.
  
  AHAHahahahAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahAHAHAHAHahahahAHAHahahahahah

  
  I don't believe this post was even in reference to Ed, but instead to christopher666. Since Wes got 7 warnings on that date, the timeline is not exactly clear. However from the context of the message posted itself, I think it is pretty clear that it is antagonistic towards SOME moderator, just not sure which one. Fact of the matter is that ANY mod can warn a member about any antagonism about ANY mod, not necessarily themselves.
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• 05/21/07 to robin s. (Profanity) - No comment.
  

  ok make that four mods now..
  i only said fuck once well twice now
  that would make 2-4-6-8 who do we appreciate? heh no one. just kinda always liked that cheer. seems rather appropriate in a weird way

  
  No comment is necessary here, is it?
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• 05/21/07 to robin s. (Profanity) - No comment.
  

  who the fuck is ed clark?

  
  Again, no comment is necessary here.
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• 05/21/07 to robin s. (Overly abusive towards another member) - No comment.
  

  randle i think it's time for your drunk ass to go to bed with filthy wife of yours

  
  Pretty self explanatory and CERTAINLY appropriately warned.
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• 05/16/07 to critical bill (Profanity) - No comment
  

  Then pay your debts you sorry ass loser and stop giving your customers bullshit excuses. You paid for the godamn house your renting with the deposits they sent you didnt you? Dont they deserve something other then your bullshit excuses to fill empty cages?
  
  You live on deposits and excuses...SO JUST FACE THE FACTS BRUTHA. As soon as the next customer is foolish enough to send you a deposit for what they can never expect to receive is exactly when you'll have enough to refund the last customer of yours with a legitmate complaint about what they havent received.
  
  
  GET A FUCKING JOB YOU LOSER! STOP LIVING OFF THE DEPOSITS OF HONEST FOLKS! HOW ABOUT THAT?
  
  HOW ABOUT IF YOU WERE DOING JUST DANDY IN THIS BUSINESS YOU MIGHT OWN YOUR OWN HOME INSTEAD OF RENTING ONE. OR....HOW ABOUT HAVING ENOUGH CASH IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT TO REFUND A MEASLY THOUSAND DOLLAR DEPOSIT TO ONE OF SEVERAL UNSATISFIED CUSTOMERS? YA KNOW, TO A CUSTOMER THAT YOU JERKED AROUND FOR MONTHS WITH EXCUSES AND WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO GO TO EXTREMES OF CREDIT CARD CHARGE BACKS?
  
  YOU FUCKING LOSER.

  
  I don't know. Anyone see any profanity in that post?
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• 05/16/07 to critical bill (Overly abusive towards another member) - No comment
  

  Dont you dare try and blame my father for your mothers lust. Condoms break.
  
  
  
  Yeah yeah sure....and Mr. Successful stilll leases a house. Get a grip pal.
  
  
  
  I dont know who you are or what youve done in your past except to read the words of those who have chosen to do business with you and to come to this thread to lodge a complaint about how they have been jerked around by you. I couldnt give two farts if you were tight with Jesus Christ or King Richard III. I dont give a crap what your past acclompishments are what you hope to still accomplish. Facts are the facts. You cannot give the folks who are requesting a refund the money you owe them back because you dont have it. You cant give them the money now and you couldnt supply them with the animals they ordered from you then. So fuck you.
  
  
  
  
  Do you tell this shit to your customers when they drop a thousand dollar deposit on animals with you? It would appear you dont you silly ass because if you did I doubt anyone would be complaining they want a deposit refunded. You'd have no business.
  
  Agian....blow it out your ass.
  
  
  
  Well shit....before it was a snake bite that sent you back but now its A FEW BUMPS IN THE ROAD. You are a liar. Thats what you are. Robin S. called it from the start and thats exactly what you are. You are a peter pupper. A liar. A mammy mammer. A fraud.
  
  
  
  I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once. Hows that? Yep....me and Robby Knevil talked about what an asshole you are while we partied in the lounge one night.
  
  Blow your horn all you want. Toot Toot. Mr. Author wants a medal for all the wonderful articles he's published in the past and doesnt want any recognotion for the folks he fucked over in business here and now. You got it Justyn! We are crafting that medal for ya now Justyn. But listen...it costs a lot of money that we dont have....could you front us a deposit? Hows that for insulting you silly ass?
  
  
  
  Oh please with "the viper bit me" shit. I've had hickey's worse then that. If I even tried to bring you down on that alone you'd have already fallen. I just pity you and the way you do business in order to keep yourself afloat.
  
  And quite honestly...I always find that when I hit the nail on the head with a guy like you that I always hear that I dont know when to shut my mouth as a comeback.
  
  
  
  Just pay you customers back that you screwed over. That will suffice me just fine.
  
  
  
  
  Oh ok. So now everyone with a complaint that had to resort to contacting their credit card company to get refunds are liars. Ok. I got it. And people who believe their story and come to their aid don't belong here. Ok. Thanks for all the info deadbeat....rrrr...Justyn. I'll be sure to check back on the thread within the week to see that each and every person who requested a refund has gotten one. They should have them all tomorrow because you said early this week they would be refunded. But hey....you're human....maybe you might get side tracked with another snake bite or hit a few bump in the road.

  
  Actually I think MULTPLE warnings would have been appropriate for that post.
  

I think that is going back far enough....

So is everyone (or most everyone) catching the drift of this all yet?

I think some people are just resentful of being warned by someone else and are purposely trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. But sorry folks, the FACTS speak for themselves here. As best I can see ED CLARK is doing a very acceptable job acting in the capacity of a moderator and helping to police this site. It is MY opinion that the griping concerning his actions are merely sour grapes and resentment.

So unless someone has evidence I have overlooked or misinterpretted, I think the picture is pretty much painted in true and accurate colors right here.

 

[critical bill]

Chuck,I agree with his assessment of your intentions when you made that post. It was done in order to antagonize. That is the kind of CRAP that will end here, or the CRAPPERS will be gone.

I understand your position. Its a bit insulting that you think I didn't get the drift of what you mean to do to anyone in defiance of your previous warnings. I understand you and I am not arguing with you or trying to get you all worked up.

All I am saying is that Ed was not posting here in moderating capacity when he issued me the warning. He abused his authority to issue me a warning. This was determined by another mod and a super mod who issued Ed warning points for abusing the system and becoming a mod well into the thread for the only reason of getting even. Not only did he do that on this thread but also on another thread today where he was yet again issued several warnings.

I don't think you did the right thing for warning me over something that several of your mods have determined Ed was wrong for warning me about. But your the boss, do what you want. I just think what you did is in conflict to what the opinion of your moderating staff has been on the subject.

 

[WebSlave]

I understand your position. Its a bit insulting that you think I didn't get the drift of what you mean to do to anyone in defiance of your previous warnings. I understand you and I am not arguing with you or trying to get you all worked up.

All I am saying is that Ed was not posting here in moderating capacity when he issued me the warning. He abused his authority to issue me a warning. This was determined by another mod and a super mod who issued Ed warning points for abusing the system and becoming a mod well into the thread for the only reason of getting even. Not only did he do that on this thread but also on another thread today where he was yet again issued several warnings.

I don't think you did the right thing for warning me over something that several of your mods have determined Ed was wrong for warning me about. But your the boss, do what you want. I just think what you did is in conflict to what the opinion of your moderating staff has been on the subject.

I believe I answered this in my previous post. In any event there has never been any statement made by me (that I am aware of) that all mods and myself must agree on an issue. We are all completely independent in how we make our assessments of any given post. Warnings are made by individuals and not the result of a committee vote of any kind.

Hope that explains things somewhat.

 

[jsrocket]

Chuck, I know you and I have made peace, but I would be remiss in my duties if I didn't point out the fact that you are much more of an ass kisser when addressing the "bosses" on this site.

Don't want to start a war, just callin em as I see em. Good luck, mon ami.

 

[Wilomn]

Couple of things rich.

You've accused me of lying. I think you need to either prove that or withdraw your accusation.

I think Mr. Clark is a very poor excuse for a moderator that abuses his position, which he had to pay for, to get back at people he has personal beefs with. I think the same is true of christopher666 whose last name I do not know.

I think that by allowing those two to remain moderators you are slapping the face of all the others who are mods, paid for or not, who ACTUALLY try to maintain a higher standard of interaction between themselves and the general fauna population.

I think it's a shame for them to be in the same catagory as the two mentioned above, the two who have lied, abused thier positions, and generally brought down those who are forced by title and position to be judged by the same standards.

You have made your decision and I have had my say.

I'm done.

 

[Wilomn]

Couple of things rich.

You've accused me of lying. I think you need to either prove that or withdraw your accusation.

I think Mr. Clark is a very poor excuse for a moderator that abuses his position, which he had to pay for, to get back at people he has personal beefs with. I think the same is true of christopher666 whose last name I do not know.

I think that by allowing those two to remain moderators you are slapping the face of all the others who are mods, paid for or not, who ACTUALLY try to maintain a higher standard of interaction between themselves and the general fauna population.

I think it's a shame for them to be in the same catagory as the two mentioned above, the two who have lied, abused thier positions, and generally brought down those who are forced by title and position to be judged by the same standards.

You have made your decision and I have had my say.

I'm done.

AncientDNA 05-24-2007 Antagonism Towards Moderators [ View Post] Despite any supposed shortcomings, Ed is still a Mod. This post was unneccessary. I'm thru coddling loudmouths like you. Stop toeing the line or you can expect more warnings from me! Not that you care...or do you(?), and you're just to macho to admit

I don't know how much nicer I can be.

I'm certainly not trying to start anymore problems or be macho. Can you say the same ancient?

I had an opinion, one which the king himself has said we are free to express so long as we are not disrespectful. Are you now trying to say that mr. clark has NOT lied? That christopher666 has NOT also abused his position?

I RESPECTFULLY disagree.

 

[christopher66]

Explain

An explanation of how i have abused my position is requested .

 

[critical bill]

Chuck, I know you and I have made peace, but I would be remiss in my duties if I didn't point out the fact that you are much more of an ass kisser when addressing the "bosses" on this site.

Don't want to start a war, just callin em as I see em. Good luck, mon ami.

You made a good observation so why would I be mad at you. I wouldn't put it the way you did though. I would say I proceed with a tad more caution when he gets a little kooky and threatens to throw people out the door. Ya know....tippy toe tippy toe. No need to push his buttons just to say I did it. Besides, I have respect for the guys house, its just a guest or two I have a problem with.

 

[Wilomn]

An explanation of how i have abused my position is requested .

I have previously. Other members have. Other mods have. If you are incapable of understanding what so many others have tried to explain to you, and I mean no insult here, the fault for that inability is not with the people attempting to explain but with the person who refuses or cannot understand.

Re-read what we have told you. If you still can't get it, ask someone else. We are not now nor will we ever be friendly enough that I would be willing to take you under my wing and educate you sufficiently so that you would be able to understand on your own what is so obvious to so many already.

Again, no insult intended, just stating how I feel in a non-confrontational and respectful manner.

 

[critical bill]

An explanation of how i have abused my position is requested .

Sure....its real easy.

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Dr Owens

05-22-2007

Warning System abuse

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I am going to have to agree with Jim. Wes was not attacking you as a mod. Just because you're a mod doesn't put you on some sort of untouchable pedestal.

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Jim O

05-21-2007

Warning System abuse

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That's for the warning you gave out for post 296 in this thread. You were not acting in a MOD capacity here.
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There you go! Two very good mods both saying the same thing. That you abused warning system by issuing a warning points under the guise of a moderator while posting as any normal member participating in the thread.

Plain as day.

 

[Wilomn]

Sure....its real easy.

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Dr Owens

05-22-2007

Warning System abuse

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I am going to have to agree with Jim. Wes was not attacking you as a mod. Just because you're a mod doesn't put you on some sort of untouchable pedestal.

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Jim O

05-21-2007

Warning System abuse

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That's for the warning you gave out for post 296 in this thread. You were not acting in a MOD capacity here.
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There you go! Two very good mods both saying the same thing. That you abused warning system by issuing a warning points under the guise of a moderator while posting as any normal member participating in the thread.

Plain as day.

In my opinion, mr. frank, if you cannot understand those two warnings, if you still need myself or someone else to point out to you how you have abused your position, you do not deserve that position.

With all due respect.

 

[WebSlave]

Couple of things rich.

You've accused me of lying. I think you need to either prove that or withdraw your accusation.

I think Mr. Clark is a very poor excuse for a moderator that abuses his position, which he had to pay for, to get back at people he has personal beefs with. I think the same is true of christopher666 whose last name I do not know.

I think that by allowing those two to remain moderators you are slapping the face of all the others who are mods, paid for or not, who ACTUALLY try to maintain a higher standard of interaction between themselves and the general fauna population.

I think it's a shame for them to be in the same catagory as the two mentioned above, the two who have lied, abused thier positions, and generally brought down those who are forced by title and position to be judged by the same standards.

You have made your decision and I have had my say.

I'm done.

Ah, Wes, I see you are back. And accusing me of accusing you of being a liar. Since you are probably still groggy from being away, I'll make this easy on you. Show me the quote where I accused you of lying, please. I'll simplify this a bit by telling you the posts in question on this thread are #49, #56, and #194.

So would I be mistaken in accusing you of LYING about me accusing you of lying previously?

As for the issue of Mr. Clark, prove it to me. I've stated the evidence I have seen, as well as my assessment of that evidence. Personally it is my firmly held belief that you just have a problem with anyone acting in an authority capacity in any form. And your response is to try to undermine them as well as the system under which they are operating. That is my opinion, and from the manner in which I have seen your interactions with moderators HERE, I would go so far as to say it is pretty solid.

Heck I would go so far as to say that you, Wes, don't have a leg to stand on to tell ANYONE how they should act in a public forum. NO one here has EVER accumulated as many total warning points over the years as well as being suspended and banned as many times within the existence of this site as YOU have. In my opinion, YOU, my friend, do not have this site's best interests at heart and are clearly interested in causing as much trouble as you can and to undermine ME in every way you think you can in the process. I've given you MANY more chances than anyone else on this planet would have for you to finally get it together and join in this Fauna community.

Truthfully Wes, I do admire the way you post in some instances, and enjoy your interaction with the bad guys. But the destructive baggage associated with you has become far too weighty. It's your choice, my friend. Lose the baggage, or take another train. It's your choice to make, but this train is moving on down the tracks, either with you or without you.

NO ONE can ever TRUTHFULLY say I haven't given you a chance.........

But THIS is the LAST one, Wes. Make sure you choose wisely about what you want to do.

 

[ginevive]

Why do threads like this even have to happen? If someone takes issue with another member (or heck, even a mod..) Why not go to another mod and take it up with them? If you truly have been wronged and have a valid issue, the mod should be able to help you out.. if not, then I could see why you would rather make a post and bring the masses into it if you hype it up and look like a victim..
But seriously, bringing these types of issues out into the forum only snowballs things in my opinion.. creates drama.. wouldn't we all rather be cleaning out reeky fecal matter from a cranky corn snake's tub? I would.

 

[varnyard]

Rich, it is something how you choose to overlook post #8 on the Ed thread, Eds comments:

Bobby, as usual you display your ignorance and willingness to attack anyone in your sights. I think everyone can remember you attacking those Bearded Dragon folks with no true information at all. you are a liar and a disgrace to all things good! I would like to purchase from you every Granite, Harlequin, Full Stripe and any other special that I posted in that ad For the $7.00 that you say they can be bought for. Bobby, these come into the country as SPECIALS at great expense and are sold at very reasonable prices for what they cost. I did edit that ad to be very clear about what I was selling.

But you want to cut me down for my response back to him in post # 20. Ok Rich, your right, he is doing a great job.

Dennis, you still think that is not what he meant?

I am done, you need not worry that I will waste my time with this, I have better things to do, Ed wins!!!

 

[critical bill]

So the guy isn't cut out to be a behaviour therapist. The issue to me is about two mods whom seem to know just when to become mods on a thread in which they were not previously acting in that capacity and simply to exercise a privilege that other mods have used fairly and for the right reasons. At first I chalked it off to inexperience, but it soon became apparent from the multiple warnings that they received that this wasn't the case. Honestly, how often does a mod need to be reminded by another mod or a super mod not to abuse a system before that mod has his privilege taken away?

I gather from what you posted that you feel that all the mods and super mods who issued warnings two these mods all day to not abuse the system are wrong for doing so. No offense but in my opinion the two mods were wrong for abusing the system and they were warned correctly and appropriately.

And by the way Rich, if you really want to cut down on the animosity between mods and members you might try eliminating or restricting the comment box that goes along with the warning points. Sometimes the stupid things a mod will say in that comment box is more or less equivlent to what it is your being warned for.

 

[hhmoore]

I am done

OK, maybe I'm missing something...just what are you done with THIS time, Bobby?