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Morph King Mojaves

I personally love Morph King Reptiles.

I almost did bussiness with them a while back, but had an emergency and couldn't afford the snake I wanted.

Never the less, they were EXTREMELY nice, understanding, full of information, reachable, and all around good people. I would reccomend them to anyone.

I agree with everyone who thinks the price cutting is a good thing. It DOES give everyone a bigger chance at selling alot of snakes and buying morphs that they never thought they could afford.

Good post, Mickey.


SunShine
 
SunShineReptiles said:
I personally love Morph King Reptiles.

I almost did bussiness with them a while back, but had an emergency and couldn't afford the snake I wanted.

Never the less, they were EXTREMELY nice, understanding, full of information, reachable, and all around good people. I would reccomend them to anyone.

I agree with everyone who thinks the price cutting is a good thing. It DOES give everyone a bigger chance at selling alot of snakes and buying morphs that they never thought they could afford.

Good post, Mickey.


SunShine
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Sunshine

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I looked at there ads on kingsnake, and they are pretty funny-if they sold 32 lessers in a few days, maybe the price is a little too cheap, but on the same note, they will sell out quickly and then if someone wants them they will have to pay someones higher prices. I have to say, that if they take good care of there animals and keep them clean, i have no issue with there pricing-Just like stocks, this market goes up and down(alot of down lately!)-but unfortunately that is the law of supply and demand. We produced yellowbellys and ivorys this year-we sold a bunch at $1000 for females-$800 for males and $1500 for pairs--they moved so quickly in the begining of the season, that we took away the pair price and put them up for just male and female price. I sold a pair today, but have not sold any for a couple of weeks prior. There is quite a bit of time to sell our animals until next season, so we are going to keep our prices on these at current price and just wait. Whatever we do not sell or trade, will be kept. If you do the math, you will make more money keeping them back even with drastic price dropping the following year. Its all fun and breeding balls is awesome and rewarding. One day prices will drop to the point that the people left doing it are people who want to breed the for enjoyment. The anticipation that comes from waiting to see what will pop out of the eggs is a blast. Well maybe except for today when we had a clutch of 7 eggs that had one yellow belly(that sucks!)--The fact of the matter is, it would be very hard for one breeder to crash the market--in all honesty the customers really do make the prices in this industry on animal that are produced in large numbers. SUPPLY AND DEMAND --it is an unescapable law in all aspects of sales and life.
Ben Siegel
 
One thing I can say is hell, they say they invested $500,000.00 start-up for their business a few years back. If they sold the numbers that their ad states in 36 hours which was something like 42 lesser's and 55 Mojave's. At the prices they had them listed at that's $149,000 and that is just those 2 animals from their breeding. Now take in to account all the other morphs they are breeding and the revenue generated from those sales and I would say they are doing damn good. I would say that is a pretty damn good return on their investment. They are a business, they are out to make money like any other sucessful business would try and do. Now do I like the idea that the prices on the Mojave's just dropped that low, not really. Am I worried they are going to stay that low or the market is going to crash? Nope. Just like pastels Hell their prices have been dropping and going up for the last 4 years. No big deal. the prices will more than likely go back up again on both morphs but if not the Mojave's will not stay at $800 for long even with MKR selling such a large number at those prices. I am sure we will see them selling quite well for many years to come at higher prices than $800.
 
I agree with many of your comments. One has to ask oneself about the quality also. Were these the ones that look funny, defects or just don't eat. Who knows........anyway, we all want to get a deal and as we all know, it is not as simple as mate and produce. So, in the long run, reasonably priced animals will stay so. After a long conversation with a large breeder they stated that even they can not compete with the extra low prices due to their over head. I am sure others are the same. So, how long will it last? Also, I guess people need money from time to time and sell really cheap........!!!!!!
 
I have one question people should be asking themself. I see alot of people aginst it starting to slam the quality of MKR's animlas, and the term "puppy mill" came up, which is another question of the animals quality. Also people are saying "he's doing it for the money. Now my thing is this.... for all of you people that have thier panties in a bunch and sday "He's only doing it for the money.... I would be willing to bet you have one you were trying to unload for 2000. SO .... that being said... who is in it for the money? Him selling for 800 and smiling about it or you crying because you cant get 2000 each? And also... just because he is selling them for 800 or whatever his other prices are... Just because the price is lower than the "market".. does that mean they are any less quality than yours? The fact of the matter is this... Morph king has done alot of business with alot of people... he provides support, does good business and that is a good thing in this age of all the crooked people selling reptiles. Now people are slamming him because he wants to sell snakes that people cant normally afford for prices they CAN afford? And you say HE is in it for the money? you say he is driven by greed? Seems you are the greedy ones crying about not being able to get rich on your clutches of these "rare" snakes....I mean not so rare but very overpriced snakes....
 
When you are breeding as many mojaves as you possibly can it reminds me of another breeder who did the same thing with pastels. Which to me seems like a snake mill. If you associate poor quality with these type of operations that is your opinion. I am not trying to sell any nor do I own an lesser or mojave so in reality if anything I should be happy they have bottomed out the prices, but I'm not. I am sure they will continue to do it with many other morphs. If you are happy you can afford these morphs great, but I guarantee you many who are smiling because they got a great deal will be complaining next year because their great deal is only worth $300. Regardless these things happen in business and to be honest I wish they hadn't dropped the prices so drastically, just because it sets a precedent and really did screw a lot of people (although I do believe the co doms would drop quite a bit, just not that much). By the way Sean would you be upset if I sold you a pinstripe for $12000 grand last year as an investement, then sold them this year for $2000 grand when others were selling them for $3500?
 
anyone else notice that his ads vanished from the ks classifieds and his sponsor link is gone from the bp forum too (replaced with "reserved") ?

Adrian
 
What if that many mojaves were produced, but not by Morph King?

Lets say the total number of Mojaves produced this year was the same, but Morph King wasn't in the picture. The snakes would perhaps be sold on average for what MK is selling them for. But they would be advertised for higher prices. Then when they weren't selling fast enough, the price would drop.

I am suggesting that when this many snakes of a certain kind (morph) are produced, then the price can't hold. I think a previous poster pointed out that they might be advertised for more, but sold for less than advertised.

Now some people are suggesting that MK is mass producing them. But I don't think the total Mojaves is higher than it would have been anyway, because if MK wasn't around, other people would be breeding the same number of total snakes.

It still goes back to quality and customer service. If the quality of snakes is better than average, and if the sellers are easy to reach and offer detailed information, then Morph King deserves success. I haven't seen a posting from a customer of MK that says they got an unhealthy ball python.

Thank you,

Doug
 
Rob @ RK Reptiles said:
One thing I can say is hell, they say they invested $500,000.00 start-up for their business a few years back. If they sold the numbers that their ad states in 36 hours which was something like 42 lesser's and 55 Mojave's. At the prices they had them listed at that's $149,000 and that is just those 2 animals from their breeding. Now take in to account all the other morphs they are breeding and the revenue generated from those sales and I would say they are doing damn good. I would say that is a pretty damn good return on their investment. They are a business, they are out to make money like any other sucessful business would try and do. Now do I like the idea that the prices on the Mojave's just dropped that low, not really. Am I worried they are going to stay that low or the market is going to crash? Nope. Just like pastels Hell their prices have been dropping and going up for the last 4 years. No big deal. the prices will more than likely go back up again on both morphs but if not the Mojave's will not stay at $800 for long even with MKR selling such a large number at those prices. I am sure we will see them selling quite well for many years to come at higher prices than $800.
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this is an excellent point..joe at morphking told me they sell around $50k week..they are buisness men...there will always be unhappy campers out there..but these guys sell animals..quality animals at that...someone made a point to say bait and switch..this is not the case with these guys..if you have ever purchased or dealt with them you would know...i started out with just 1 mojave male from them..now i have mojave..lesser..female het caromale albino..het clown..through freinds of thiers i have purchased several others..all for much less then what i could have gotten elsewhere...will this hurt my sales ...NO!!!!..for those of you who have never worked in this feild this always goes on...go to daytona this weekend..you wont see anyone buying bumble bees for $6500 each..come sunday they will go for $4500-5500..this is the norm..most buyers cant afford a $6-20K animal...when i did the shows etc we made some people mad..come sunday i didnt want to pack up 300 animals and drive home..i sold them on sunday for much lower price...i made very good money doing this and we never crashed the market(hahahahaha)...imagine this..you buy a lesser for $2500..get him ready within 1 year..breed him to 5 females..so you end up with 10 lessers..sell them all at $2000..did you lose any money..no you made $17500 profit from one animal..now buy 5 of them from him and see what happens...some of you will remember when pieds were $15000 pair..what are they now $7500 pair...

joe and wess are great guys and thier animals are top notch..i will buy many more animals from them..im buying female clown when they are ready...those who buy in bulk know all prices are negotiable...

sometimes people just want to make $$$ not sit on high price animals no one can afford..also what you call wonderfull animals other just call a nice looking ball python....example..last week from local reptile shop i purchased 2 2500gm females brown backs for $70 each..they thought they were just in shed but these had been dropped off by thier owner who no longer wanted them..he bought them 3-4 years ago..no one knew what a brown back was then....will i sell them for $10k like everyone else wants..no ill breed and see what i can make with them..maybe ill sell to the guys who dont like morph king for $7k and everyone else $1k (hahahahaha)

tim
 
..imagine this..you buy a lesser for $2500..get him ready within 1 year..breed him to 5 females..so you end up with 10 lessers..sell them all at $2000..did you lose any money..
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Very true. However, your analogy has one big problem. People wouldn't be so upset about it if the price had dropped from $2500 to $2000 in a year, as you say. Prices are expected to gradually drop on codoms. However, he dropped the Mohave price from $3000 to $800 in a matter of a few months. A $2200 reduction is a far cry from a $500 reduction, and in a much shorter time frame.
 
Don't get me wrong, I totally understand WHY people are upset about this drastic price reduction. My whole point through all of this is that They are his animals and he has the right to sell them for whatever he wants to sell them at. That is all. Someone asked me if I would be upset if i bought a snake last year and this year the price was cut in half? Absolutely I would be... as a matter of fact, I did. I bought a Pastel last year for 700 and this year it is MAYBE worth 2-300 so yes, I wish I had waitied... am I mad? No, Do i Understand it is the name of the game? Yes... Would i hesitate to buy a snake from MKR? No, mainly because at 800 bucks each for a Mojave i might be able to get about that when I am able to produce babies... maybe at that point they will be going for 500 each... oh well, again, name of the game. I'm not into this to get rich, I am in it cause I love snakes. Now, are you saying i should buy one from you for say... 2000 because YOU want to make a profit off the snake you spent 2500 for, just so in 2 year i get stuck selling the babies for 800? WHo is putting the screws to who then. I bet you anyhting 2 years from now, after you made your 2000 or so selling to me this year, and I came back here complaining that I am only getting half of what I spent on a snake, you would tell me its that way it goes with CoDoms... Lessers and Mojaves are the hot thing lately... in a few years they may be just like Pastels are now... just a regular CoDom that everyone has... and this same discussion will come up aboue the next "big" thing... move on, you dont like the way he does business, fine, so be it... but don't slam the guy because of it. He has a good name, great animals, and seems very personable on the phone... Seems like one of the good guys to me....
 
mkr = walmart

this sounds like exactly what i hear everyday from people at where i work. i am a manager for walmart. this is the exact same scenario, they were able to invest a large amount of money and did very well with it. if they were producing the same large numbers and were selling them at the prices everyone wants them to would this thread exist. absolutely not, they would not be called a snake(puppy)mill, and they would not be the subject of so much ridicule. i spent almost an hour on the phone with them and joe explained quite a bit about how and why they sell animals the way the do. simply put, he wants these beautiful highly desired animals to be available to everyone, not just the well off. to me, that is a great attitude to have and its also helping our herp community grow. balls are high money right now, but so were cornsnakes at one point. is it not feasible that the same thing is going to happen? i do feel that there is alot of envy out there, and people out there are mad they arent going to get rich quick. listen to alot of people out there, its hard to make money in this business. if thats all you are in it for than mabey you need to consider other avenues. it should be for the love of the animals, and mkr are just making the more desired ones easier to obtain.
 
It boils down to this......

Those that can, do, and those that can't whine.....

It really is just that simple.

Griz
 
Griz said:
It boils down to this......

Those that can, do, and those that can't whine.....

It really is just that simple.

Griz
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Dang.

I always thought is was, "those who can, should" and now I find out there's more to it.

Just proves that if you aren't careful, you can learn something everyday.

Gotta be careful.
 
Those that can, do, and those that can't whine.....
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Carved on Kenneth Lay's Tombstone no doubt!
It should not always be about economics, ethics should be important also. If MKR did what they did to hurt the value of one individuals collection with no regard for the impact on those who "can't", how can this be a good thing Griz?
 
Ok, I've been a member for a year or two, was about to post, but never had the time, and left so here is my intro...lol.

I think MKR has the right to do whatever they want! It's their decision and they decide how much their snakes should cost, not the public! They have a good rep (at least with quality of their animals) and I don't think they are as dumb as TSE to screw everyone over all of a sudden. Prices of CoDoms are going down anyways, so anyone who buys from them should be prepared for a price drop, whether a $1000, or a $10,000 drop!

I am buying a trio of Ball Pythons from them next summer and the guys at MKR are really helpful and nice and answered any question I had.

Just my .02 cents
 
They are also friends with Tim Bowles and Bobby Pruett. I think they also partnered with Tim Bowles on deals.

Having ANY dealings with those 2 individuals should tell you all about their ethics and make you not want to deal with them no matter how cheap they sell their animals for.
 
Griz said:
It boils down to this......

Those that can, do, and those that can't whine.....

It really is just that simple.

Griz
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What exactly are you saying here?

Are you telling me that because I disagree with MKR's ethics and motives I'm just "whining" because I can't do the same thing? That's a load of :censored: .

Steve, you added a very good point....ANYONE who would work with Bowles and Pruitt has some serious ethics issues that go a lot deeper than what meets the eye. That alone, to me, is more than enough reason to not do business with someone.

And bpkid....good luck with your purchase. We'll see if you're feeling the same way when you see them selling whatever kind of Ball Python you buy from them for a quarter of the price you paid for it a couple of months after you buy it, lol.

Casey..excellent post as well.
 
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