Bad Guy Mythical Dragonz - Stay Away!

[bobtard]

Nicole, does this only apply when you feel like it?

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[dragonluver83]

Karma comments are not always relevant, but I think that the one I received from Nicole when she dinged my karma just now is indded relevant to this thread. As you see above, my post asks that we cut through the drama and bring this back on track so that people can make rational choices about prospective transactions. Here is what she wrote:



Nicole, I'm sorry that you don't want the drama cut away so that readers can get to the concerns that really matter, which is how THEY will be treated if they choose to purchase from you.

And, I have some slight knowledge of the law, apparently not enough, so enlighten me, what is 'deformation of character' ?

Shes hitting everyones karma ten times over. But does someone with that much negative karma even affect someone else's karma? She dinged my karma 4-5 times from this thread. An Im pretty sure it barely moved...


Still waiting on that answer Nicole or Steven. I was hoping when I got back on the computer. There would be a nice typed response about how your not at fault and your not going to help him with his bill. Thats what were waiting for.

 

[Show Me]

Mythical Dragonz wrote:

Last but not least Christina why are you even opening up your mouth since you are six months into snakes not dragons.

So you wonder why I'm posting with only six months of experience. Let me answer that for you.... I have morals, I'm honest, I have great animal husbandry skills, I can admit when I'm wrong and learn from my mistakes and someday when I feel I've learned enough to start my breeding program I will try to the best of my ability to offer quality animals and great customer service. These are skills needed to run a successful business and I feel that you are lacking greatly in these areas and could learn a lot from me!!! FYI another reason I'm posting is because I feel you royally screwed that guy over and it rubs me in the wrong way!!!!

 

[scaledverts]

Can We EVER Really KNOW?

Is it even possible for everyone to ever really know that Steven is posting and NOT Nicole? I mean all the pictures in the world cannot prove that. At the same time I can't think of a way that we can show that Nicole is posing under Steven's name.

You're assuming that Steven is actually into Dragons. Many a man will feign interest in something to get himself some young trim. And if he's not into Dragons, and he makes his living elsewhere, then this bad publicity may have no effect on what he really does, so why would he be concerned?

If Richard is correct and this is the case, even a picture of Steven sitting at the computer typing a message will have no meaning! To me this means that no matter who is on the other side of the keyboard typing away..... the OP is still due some sort of compensation for his sick dragon.

I do believe that vet reciepts were posted. How is that not showing proof?

The receipts only prove he took a reptile to the vet.

I personally find it VERY hard to even consider that this situation is plausible. According to Occam's razor, the simplest explanation is probably the correct answer. Let's see.... take a second bearded dragon to the vet and spend $190 on it in order to claim that the dragon you sent was sick OR that the dragon you sent is the dragon that was taken to the vet...... Seems pretty obvious to me which scenario is the most likely.

So not that it has been established the dragon you sent was/is sick..... the OP is due compensation/a refund for his purchase, period.




On a related side note: what is the record for fewest number of posts to earn -1000 karma? I think MythicalDragonz has got to be approaching it.

 

[scaledverts]

So NOW that it has been established the dragon you sent was/is sick..... the OP is due compensation/a refund for his purchase, period..

:eek3:

 

[JudyC]

Is it even possible for everyone to ever really know that Steven is posting and NOT Nicole? I mean all the pictures in the world cannot prove that. At the same time I can't think of a way that we can show that Nicole is posing under Steven's name.

Yeah...the pictures don't mean squat except that there's some guy in her life (probably named Steven) who allowed her to take pictures of him. But it's been proven over and over again that Nicole is the one posting under Steven's name. If a time came when Steven DID take over and try to post as himself....I do believe it would be far too little far too late. I wouldn't trust ANYthing associated with Nicole Norton, no matter WHO wrote it.

Nicole...WHY, when Steven finally gets on the phone with Mike, would he say that he's never spoken to him and knows nothing about the transaction??? And then turn right around in an e-mail and say he's been behind it all along and you have nothing to do with it??? That's one of those big questions you just ever-so-conveniently left dangling......

 

[hupababy_83]

So I wonder if Nicole is the one who gave me the grey karma, for my comment about what Steve's sign should say. This was the note left for why, "Slander, harassment, and deformation of character is not looked upon lightly." I don't think I did any of these. Oh well I'm a big girl and time to move on. Steve/Nicole you have made it on quite a few black lists, I hope your happy.

 

[dragonluver83]

Closed ads?

Hey Steve, I LOVE the closed classifieds ad you are now posting.

Also your health guarantee is crap.

Have you gotten back to Mike on a answer. I noticed you have time to post animals for money, but any interest in helping a paying customer?

 

[lillyorchid]

Awwww she took pictures of her neighbor, father, uncle, niece, little sister, neighbor with a pair of dragons... How cute! I know I could get a lot of people to do the same with my scale babies. Funny how the close up picture is not a self taking picture, the phone is turned around and there is no camera... SO someone else took it. It's sad that she is pretending that they are someone else, is just ridiculous! I think it is time to join the hell forum and really prove Steve is well Steven, but I know Nichole isn't going to be able to do that.

 

[LauraB]

I think it is time to join the hell forum and really prove Steve is well Steven, but I know Nichole isn't going to be able to do that.

With all due respect, I don't believe Steven has to prove anything in Hell.

I think it's pretty evident by the photos, Steven's Facebook junk and the writing style the guy exists. Nicole's writing style is much more immature, full of errors and repetitive misspellings. I believe she was posting under Steven's account in the thread Tom Clarke started earlier this month, but not this thread. I seem to recall from the Facebook link someone posted that Steven is from Toronto ... I've noticed certain words in his posts spelled in Canadian English. I don't believe Nicole would have the foresight to pull that off successfully for the sake of trickery.

The bottom line is Nicole is now marketing her dragons under a new business name and simply has a new male mouthpiece, financier and business partner ... much like Ed was. Bottom line is they are in business together and have an unhappy customer.

Question is, when will they take responsibility and fix it?

 

[JudyC]

I think it is time to join the hell forum and really prove Steve is well Steven, but I know Nichole isn't going to be able to do that.

How does the Hell forum prove anything that the pictures posted here don't already prove? (Which is nothing more than that she has a guy who will let her take pictures of him) If he'll stand there with her dragons, he'll stand there with any sign she asks him to (as per the Fauna I.D. thread in Hell)....and none of it means diddly because it's still HER lying in virtually every post she makes....and at the very least, he is a willing accessory to her lies and fraud.

 

[David Reid]

I think it is pretty obvious by now that Nicole should probably not be selling live animals. Her "standards" and the reptile communities standards seem to be off by a wide margin. Her cages look marginal at best, but her shipping is nowhere in the ballpark of being acceptable. I think this we can agree on, but here is my question, after all this time, why are people still buying from her?

Dave

 

[dragonluver83]

So I wonder if Nicole is the one who gave me the grey karma, for my comment about what Steve's sign should say. This was the note left for why, "Slander, harassment, and deformation of character is not looked upon lightly." I don't think I did any of these. Oh well I'm a big girl and time to move on. Steve/Nicole you have made it on quite a few black lists, I hope your happy.

I received the same karma bump and comment. Atleast he/she is persistent. Or you think it was a lazy copy and paste job?

With all due respect, I don't believe Steven has to prove anything in Hell.

I think it's pretty evident by the photos, Steven's Facebook junk and the writing style the guy exists. Nicole's writing style is much more immature, full of errors and repetitive misspellings. I believe she was posting under Steven's account in the thread Tom Clarke started earlier this month, but not this thread. I seem to recall from the Facebook link someone posted that Steven is from Toronto ... I've noticed certain words in his posts spelled in Canadian English. I don't believe Nicole would have the foresight to pull that off successfully for the sake of trickery.

The bottom line is Nicole is now marketing her dragons under a new business name and simply has a new male mouthpiece, financier and business partner ... much like Ed was. Bottom line is they are in business together and have an unhappy customer.

Question is, when will they take responsibility and fix it?

Thats it! Why does steven give a damn about reptiles if he sells........ bed pans? or trash bags? Or if he is the trash man himself. This doest effect him one bit. Its all on his g.f. As long as he is gettin his, and this doesnt effect his immediate life. Who cares, right? He can sit happy in front of the tv watchin John Wayne while nicole destroys his name, to try and gain a profit.

 

[dragonluver83]

I think it is pretty obvious by now that Nicole should probably not be selling live animals. Her "standards" and the reptile communities standards seem to be off by a wide margin. Her cages look marginal at best, but her shipping is nowhere in the ballpark of being acceptable. I think this we can agree on, but here is my question, after all this time, why are people still buying from her?

Dave

They prey on the new people. There pretty much all new customers. I dont know to many breeders that are buying dragons from nicole. Its not to say nicole doesnt buy and resell some nice animals, or the few she produces look nice, its we all pretty much know if we buy something from her. The negative possibilities are endless.

Nicole has also been known to have dragons in her care for quite some time (months) then they die off?

*Her and ed were picture swapping these dead animals when they tried to claim I was selling sick animals.

*She claimed one dragon had cancer. ( i seen this in a recent post)

*She claimed another breeder sold her a dragon that died of liver problems.

An with one of these breeders she calls them months later to tell them there was a problem and the dragon died, An she wanted a full refund.

But a simple 92 dollar bill, after the time of Mike purchase. An its "not her fault".

 

[Lucille]

Slander, harassment, and deformation of character is not looked upon lightly.

Nicole, it looks like you are sending this same Karma comment to everyone. When will you realize that we did not deform your character, you did that yourself?

 

[Show Me]

I just got bad karma from Nicole or Steven. LMAO. They wrote "You tell 'em! ". LOL. Yes I will tell them what I think of you....lousy, no good, rip off... piece of reptile poop.

 

[Mistyck]

With all due respect, I don't believe Steven has to prove anything in Hell.

I think it's pretty evident by the photos, Steven's Facebook junk and the writing style the guy exists. Nicole's writing style is much more immature, full of errors and repetitive misspellings. I believe she was posting under Steven's account in the thread Tom Clarke started earlier this month, but not this thread. I seem to recall from the Facebook link someone posted that Steven is from Toronto ... I've noticed certain words in his posts spelled in Canadian English. I don't believe Nicole would have the foresight to pull that off successfully for the sake of trickery.

The bottom line is Nicole is now marketing her dragons under a new business name and simply has a new male mouthpiece, financier and business partner ... much like Ed was. Bottom line is they are in business together and have an unhappy customer.

Question is, when will they take responsibility and fix it?

THEY need to take care of their customer, not just leave him hanging. He provided proof that the animal had been to the vet, and the receipt showing how much it cost, all he's asking for is compensation for the vet visit (if I'm reading it correctly), I don't think that's too much to ask , but hell I've been wrong before... Though I doubt that I am this time.

Everyone needs to stop attacking Nicole, and keep in mind that Mythical Dragonz is the one that did the business with Mike. Therefore THEY, (not just she) are the ones that need to be dealt with. If Steven chooses to do his business with Nicole then that's fine, but then deal with them as a couple choosing to do business together, not as a single entity.

I would assume that THEY would want to take care of this customer to ensure that their customers would be happy and recommend THEM to future customers. Therefore taking care of this one little thing (I'm not saying that a sick dragon is little, but the amount sure seems to be for all the hassle THEY're putting up for it), shouldn't be too difficult for THEM to do. Mythical Dragonz, please do the right thing and help set this to rights by helping your customer take care of the Veterinarian bill for the dragon. It's only hurting your future sales and business by putting this off and not helping the customer who sent you money for a healthy dragon.

Mike, I do hope this gets resolved soon, and in your favor. If not, then I'm sorry. I do hope that the dragon gets better, and you're able to enjoy it.

 

[Drew Zaun]

Something for Mythical Dragonz to consider about Mike's claim as well, it is possible that the dragon seemed healthy and happy in their facility but the stress of shipping caused the issues to suddenly surface. Perhaps this is the root cause behind their claim that Mike is billing them for a dragon in his care prior to receiving Akira.

There is plenty of history with Nichole all laid out here on the BOI, if she really wants to make a fresh start with Steven it would behoove her especially, but him as well to take care of Mike. This complaint dove tails nicely with previous grievences as so I find it hard to believe that Mythical Draqonz is the party being scammed, but rather the agitator.

I also have seen where Steven has written in this very thread that he has no intention of dealing with Mike, but I think anyone who has read previous threads already knew that was going to be the case here.

At this point we can thank Mike for bringing to light the fact that the leopard has NOT changed its spots, and I suppose we await the next person to fall victim to them...

Or Steven and Nichole can shock us all and come to an agreement with Mike. Turnabout is fair play after all...

 

[hhmoore]

The HELL identification thread has absolutely no bearing on this one.

For all the criticisms over the recent pictures posted by Steven, people should consider that he posted those pictures BECAUSE HE WAS ASKED TO DO SO. Turning it around afterwards, and saying it doesn't prove anything is pretty silly...

Negative karma from somebody already in the negative does nothing. Stop whining/complaining/commenting about it; or, at least, take it to the feedback forum. It has been stated repeatedly that the BOI is not the place for that topic.

 

[Sirengarg]

Severely disappointed some in business would act so immaturely and not take responsibility.

I gotta say, I love reading these BOI threads. Not just for future purchases but because we are in the infant stages of starting our own ball python breeding. And these threads show us how to do things right. I can't say they show us how not to do things, since so far, I have yet to feel that way since most of this stuff is common sense customer service. You're customer is dissatisfied. Do everything humanly possible to get them satisfied. Be it credit, another reptile, or at the very damn least, a long, and nicely written apology.

I've learned the reptile community is tight knit. When someone screws up, its heard long and loud.