Bad Guy Mythical Dragonz - Stay Away!

[charleshanklin]

How long before they break up and Steven starts his own bad thread against Nicole?

How much unneeded drama is thisbuoung lady Gina bing to the bd and fauna community? It's really mind numbing trying to comprehend what's going on in her head.

Nicole do you have honest any explanations to what you are doing?

 

[Southern Wolf]

Nicole do you have honest any explanations to what you are doing?

From all the threads I have read about here... Im not sure she knows that word. Try another one.

 

[Utta]

How long before they break up and Steven starts his own bad thread against Nicole?

How much unneeded drama is thisbuoung lady Gina bing to the bd and fauna community? It's really mind numbing trying to comprehend what's going on in her head.

Nicole do you have honest any explanations to what you are doing?

or will it be nicole making a bad guy thread against nicole?

 

[Abish]

After a conversation with steven, He deserves his name in this thread. As I can see where he HAS typed a few post on THIS thread.

I agree that someone other than Nicole (presumably Steven) is finally typing some responses here. The spelling has improved and the flowery hyperbole from his messages to Stef is beginning to be spouted here.

 

[Southern Wolf]

If Steven is ok with how she is ruining (running) his business then.... maybe they really do have the same morals and eithics. Guess they were made for each other and another one has been exposed.

 

[sporty_live]

Wanted to jump in with an update. At this point I have not heard from Steven/Nicole and doubt I will. I believe she posted earlier that I am no longer "in her world" or something silly like that.

Anyway, after receiving her daily Albon doses, 2nd weekly injection of Droncit, and nearing the end of her two week run of daily Penicillin injections, Akira seems to be back on track. Her interest in food is close to what you would expect of an adult dragon. The past few days she has been eating her greens and Superworms and yesterday ate several large Dubia nymphs for first time. Keeping a close eye on things but it appears she is going to be fine.

Thanks to everyone who offered advice or just contacted me to see how things were going. There really is a solid support community on here with a ton of people willing to lend a hand. Ive actually received offers from other breeders and people for free healthy dragons. While I declined, it truly says a lot about the care people have for their animals and the community in general.

As far as Mythical Dragonz, if one person reads this story and decides against purchasing from them it has all been worth it. I purchased from them in good faith as I have from every other breeder I have purchased from. My being naive brought me to this point. Had I taken the time to research them as a breeder, this transaction never would have happened.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Wanted to jump in with an update. At this point I have not heard from Steven/Nicole and doubt I will. I believe she posted earlier that I am no longer "in her world" or something silly like that.

Of course not... they are hoping you will go away.

I do have one request please. Post a photo of the vet reciept with the animals name showing. Thanks.

 

[sporty_live]

Of course not... they are hoping you will go away.

I do have one request please. Post a photo of the vet reciept with the animals name showing. Thanks.

Actually going to the vet on Monday and getting a copy of the complete exam notes. Will be posting it all on here Monday evening.

 

[alvincent]

Actually going to the vet on Monday and getting a copy of the complete exam notes. Will be posting it all on here Monday evening.

I'm so sorry this had to happen to you.

It takes a special person to care for reptiles. Anybody can tend to a dog or cat.
You can feed them table scraps. For a reptile you have to deal with things that most other people don't want to deal with. Think about feeding, rodents and bugs. The average person does not want to touch rats, roaches or even a reptile. So it takes a special person to do this. Our club is small enough.

I know deep down in the heart of Nicole she wants to do the right thing. I think to some degree she feels stress/pressure not to. I think she could even win back some respect in the community if she just made right to the people she did wrong. It will definitely be baby steps but at least she would have respect of the people again. TO go back and make right to all those you made wrong. I just think we should give her the chance to. Its 2011 and I know in her heart she wants this chance.

I lived in Fort Drum Ny, which is an army post. I was stationed there 3.5 years. There is nothing around the city, at all. Only recently the people outnumbered the cattle(In jefferson county). For fun we would travel to all the REAL cities. Syracuse, Toronto, Rochester, Buffalo and most of the surrounding areas. That climate there is really tough, snow is on the ground 8-9 months out of the year. It takes a strong person to deal with just the climate there. Sad story: Fort Drum has the most suicides in any military post. I know climate had a lot to do with the pain.
What I am getting at is, if you can deal with the conditions, you have to be tough. I have much respect for all of those who live up there. It says a lot about your work ethic. Based on that alone, I know you didn't want to ship that bearded dragon in those conditions. I know you have to feel bad.

Just one question - Do you even want to be a part of this community and make things right Nicole?

 

[zzzdanz]

She could live in Iceland for all I care.She chose to sell dragons,she should be responsible for them and all that comes with the business of selling them.She doesn't care about making anything right because in her mind she got paid and that's that...I think this has been proven over and over.

If she wanted to try to make anything right,the first thing would be not to ship animals in below freeze'n temps. and then blame the buyer for the sick animal.

Or how about a "oh s***, I'm sorry...let me make this right".....

She's not going to change her ways.

 

[MythicalDragonz]

I spoke to tommy clarke today and listened to his ramblings. The called ended with his calling me a b**** and hanging up. He reported that he has been after Nicole for a couple years. I asked why would he let someone buy if he thought that there were problems. He got buligerent and hung up.The reason this post got off trck is due to him in the first place. Grandstanding and going for blood. I'm afraid that the little man has a hidden agenda along with his buddy Mike. Since the two of them are into breeding why not crush the competition.
If you take the time to read the diclosure statements on our page as well as Tommies you will find that they are very similar. The killer part is when you people try to beat up the goodguys just because they are happy.
In the future it would be a good idea for people with no real interest in dragons or first hand information just read and be quiet. The BOI is by nature there to help people come to a decision about something they have questions about anyway. I believe I answered the question two days ago.
Mike has yet to prove anything other than he has vet bills. He was made an offer and refused. It seems to me that all this has been lost in the battle over karma? Just what is that anyway when 4 or 5 people continually leave negative karma. Most of whom have no reason other than association by way of this site and cyber friends.
Just as you say the proof that I exist is no good neither are the bills for his own sick dragon.
Just for the record my back is strong enough to carry your c***. May I repeat again there has been no proof of a sick dragon from us. Why is it that you cannot see this. You all need to remember that the issue is with Mike not tommy boy and his vendetta.



Mythical Dragonz Guarantee/Policy Page
This is the full Guarantee/Policy page from our old web site.

Mythical Dragonz strives to breed wonderful and healthy Bearded dragons, we want you are customer to be happy with the purchase of your new pet or future breeder. We do are best to educate new Owners in how to take proper care of their dragons before arrival and strive to continue to thrill returning customers with beautiful dragons.


Last Updated: 2/20/2010



Our Guarantees

We try our best to make sure you are 100% Satisfied with your new Dragon we offer several guarantees to ensure this. All of our dragons come with the following Guarantees Listed below.



Live Arrival – If the worse may occur and the dragons arrives DOA we will replace the dragon (No Cash Refunds). If a dragon does come DOA please do not dispose of it we will need picture proof of this. Several things may void this Guarantee though If you are not home to take delivery of the package this is void so please be sure you will there so nothing will happen to your new pet. If a package is delayed or lost in shipment we can not be held responsible we will do our best to work with you if this happens and work with the shipping company.

Health Guarantee – We offer a 24 hour health Guarantee on all Reptiles; if upon arrival or with in the 24 hour period something does not seem right please contact us right away. If it turns out there is something wrong with the dragon we will do out best to help you with this situation or have you ship the dragon back to us (at your cost) and we will replace the dragon. Please contact us first if there is a problem, if you choose to contact other breeders or a vet before contacting us your guarantees are void.

Satisfaction Guarantee – If for some reason you are not happy with your dragon please contact us right away this Guarantee is good for 24 Hours. There are few things we can not Guarantee though; one being Color as stress and shedding can cause this to change we do our best to take pictures and give written descriptions of the reptile. We also do not Guarantee a dragon will breed as most dragons we sell are sold long before they are of age many things over time can effect a dragons ability to successfully reproduce.

Shipping is non refundable

All guarantees are void if the temperature along the route is below 32 Degrees. We do our best to ship when it is not only the most convenient for out customer but safest for our dragons. Please do not ask us to put our dragons at risk.



Shipping


We do our best to offer you fast, reliable, and safe shipping at this time we currently use UPS as they have always done great by us. We personally know the three drivers who come to pick up dragons they do not put the dragons in the back of the truck like many others do they ride up front where it is heated the whole way to the sorting facility. We are now using Ship Your Reptiles who ships through UPS but at a much better rate we have gotten discounts as much as 30% off regular rates.

All of our dragons are shipped in special boxes with heavy insulation; we do not use the cheap foams we see used in pre-made reptile shipping boxes we use a high grade house hold Shipping foam that will be ½ – 1 inch thick. We have tested this by leaving boxes outside all night in the cold with a heat pack and they always hold the heat much better than any other boxes we have used in the past.

We do not charge you for the box or heat packs we only charge you for exact shipping rates

During the winter We ship with 40 Hour heat packs depending on temperatures and the size of the box we will ship with anywhere from 1 -3 each heat pack with generally raise the ambient temperature in a 1 foot square box 10 Degrees and the heat pack itself will hold at around 100 - 120 Degrees.

During the Summer we use the same Boxes and Insulation most of the time a dragon will not need to be shipped with any heat packs unless there is a cold streak we always keep Cold packs on hand encase temperatures are too high but normally in that case we will request to hold the dragon until temperatures level out.

Once your label has been printed for shipping you will automatically receive a Tracking Number that will be updated as the package hits each sorting facility. If for some reason there is a delay you will receive and e-mail directly from UPS letting you know why and how long the delay maybe. All reptiles are packed so they will be safe for at least two days just encase they get delayed so if they say the package will be delayed one day try not to panic though we know it is hard not to. If for some reason when your package arrives the box seems damaged or tempered with or if the delivery driver handled it without care please get the drivers first and last name along with your local hubs number (if you can't get the number we will) and we will file a report as we do not want any reptile handled roughly.


Care


We provide the best care possible for our dragons so that you will receive a healthy happy dragon with no problems. All of our dragons are kept in larger 4 x 2 Melamine cages with either Mega-Rays or Repti-Sun 10.0 bulbs for UVB as we feel these are the only two bulbs at this time that provide the proper UVB a dragon requires. All of our dragons are kept one either Tile, Paper Towels, carpet or News Paper to prevent any chance of Impaction from a loose substrate this also allows us to keep the tanks spotless and well sanitized. All of our dragons are given two bathes a week and babies are bathed every other day to help teach them to drink properly and keep them properly hydrated. During the summer when temperatures are right we will take dragons outside for natural sun they are never left alone for any reason and are kept in bins so no wild bugs can come in contact with them; there is nothing better than the real sun.

Listed below is a full list of what we feed our dragons, they are used to this diet if you do change this you will want to slowly introduce the new food so you do not stress your dragon out.


Live Feeders

Crickets, Super Worms, Silk Worms, Horn Worms, Phoenix Worms, and Dubia Roaches

If you would like to get your feeders in bulk through that mail like we do we will gladly provide you with links to good suppliers.


Vegetables

Collard Greens, Mustard Greens, Turnip Greens, Dandelion Greens, Swiss Chard, Endive, Escarole, Squash, and fruit every once in a while usually a Berry.

During the Summer we grow our own Veggies and will also add Alfalfa Flowers (Purple Flower) and Dandelion Flowers to their diet they go nuts over these.


Supplements


Calcium Powder
We prefer Zoo Meds Repti Calcium with D3 as it sticks to feeders and veggies



Multi Vitamin & Mineral

We prefer Zoo Med's Reptivite as it has everything your dragon will need and sticks well to feeders and veggies.



Probiotics

We prefer Nature Zone's Essential Probiotics and Bene Bac as both of these are proven to work well



Advice

If you ever need help with your dragon even if you did not get it from us feel free to email or call us we will try my best to help any dragon out. We have a lot of experience with many ailments seen in dragons and other reptiles as we do take in rescues and most rescues are far from healthy. We also do our own fecals and know how to dose out many medications please keep in mind we are NOT vets and will never tell you to trust us over an Exotics Vet.

No question is stupid! So even if it just has to do with food, caging, or even a behavior still free to contact us.








Toms Guarantee/Policy Page


Shipping
We use U.P.S. services to ship our reptiles. We only do overnight shipping that should arrive around 10:30 a.m. We like to ship Monday thru Wednesday. We dont like to ship on Thursdays because if the package gets lost you might not receive your package until Monday. That would not be to good. We are not responsible for lost packages. We do not control the package once they take it. We will do our best to try and trouble shoot the problem with you! Hot and Cold packs are used in summer and winter. But in spring and fall is kinda hard to tell whos having cool weather or high temps. We ship nation wide and if you think you need a hot/cold pack you need to say something. Its not a problem but i cant properly pack and your animal if i dont have all the info. If you want me to ship U.S.P.S. for pick up at the post office i can do that. just let me know ahead of time.



Payment
We do take checks, money orders ,credit cards over the web using paypal request, and postal money order. If you are going to use a check or money order please inquire first. First so you know who to make payable too, second so you know where to send it and third we had alot of bad experiences with people saying there's a money order in the mail and it is never received. In reality it was probly never sent. So if we havent done prior business I may not except your mail sent payment, sorry. Also if you send payment in the mail, we will not ship your order until the money order or check clears first. If you are paying using paypal, i also reserve the right to charge you the paypal fee. which is 3% i believe. If you have an animal on hold and for any reason it doesn't work out after the the entire ordeal of housing feeding and care. I reserve the right to keep 50-100% of the deposit. pending on housing and care of the animal(s).We are not hard to work with but we have to look out for the best interest for everybody...



Guarantee
Our Guarantee, your animal will arrive in good health. Also i will guarantee your animal for the following four weeks. If it dies another one will be sent in its place or a equal value or an agreed upon animal. There are no cash refunds. The only time a refund will be issued is when i have nothing to replace that animal with. Even then you will only receive half of your payment and shipping is not included!! This is not written in small print at the bottom of the page so there shouldnt be a problem! The following is more than most breeders even cover. I do not think i am being unfair. In the event of a problem, contact me right away. If your animal is not eating, not basking, anything outta the normal eating basking routine. Dont ask another person that you think is a qualified animal expert. I know my animals the best not another breeder or even the vet. If you choose to go to the vet or follow someone else's advise you are assuming 100% responsibility and your guarantee will be voided. also with the babies dont feed to much or put on substrate, that is usually number 1 problem with B.D. Care. i Have a care sheet read carefully.. If you are buying wholesale or a few lots of animals, We only offer live arrival guarantee. You are receiving animals at a discounted price for your group purchase, and they are going to come in healthy and thriving. Thats the only guarantee i offer with my wholesale lot or group deal or discounted rate. Thank you for reading and any other questions please contact me. UPDATED March 21st 2010. Can Not Guarantee that translucents eyes will turn solid black.




Thanks Much

Steven Walker

 

[Show Me]

Hakim Floyd, Are you friends with Nicole? I have a feeling you are. Climate is not a excuse to screw someone over nor does it matter if it's a new year. No one has to be given a second chance and Nicole has had many IMO, she made her bed and now she must lie in it.

 

[Utta]

I spoke to tommy clarke today and listened to his ramblings. The called ended with his calling me a b**** and hanging up. He reported that he has been after Nicole for a couple years. I asked why would he let someone buy if he thought that there were problems. He got buligerent and hung up.The reason this post got off trck is due to him in the first place. Grandstanding and going for blood. I'm afraid that the little man has a hidden agenda along with his buddy Mike. Since the two of them are into breeding why not crush the competition.

can you prove what you are typing? didn't think so. you may be able to prove that he/you called and spoke, but unless you recorded everything its irrelevant on a count of you have been proven a liar before (and most likely will be again)

If you take the time to read the diclosure statements on our page as well as Tommies you will find that they are very similar. The killer part is when you people try to beat up the goodguys just because they are happy.
In the future it would be a good idea for people with no real interest in dragons or first hand information just read and be quiet. The BOI is by nature there to help people come to a decision about something they have questions about anyway. I believe I answered the question two days ago.
Mike has yet to prove anything other than he has vet bills. He was made an offer and refused. It seems to me that all this has been lost in the battle over karma? Just what is that anyway when 4 or 5 people continually leave negative karma. Most of whom have no reason other than association by way of this site and cyber friends.
Just as you say the proof that I exist is no good neither are the bills for his own sick dragon.
Just for the record my back is strong enough to carry your c***. May I repeat again there has been no proof of a sick dragon from us. Why is it that you cannot see this. You all need to remember that the issue is with Mike not tommy boy and his vendetta.

as stated many times before, what does knowledge of beardies have to do with this? its rather simple and straight forward. he had a sick dragon, he took it to the vet, he got a vet receipt. where does beardies come into play there? i haven't looked at the receipt closely yet, (i will here shortly) but even if it doesn't have the beardies name, he could bring the dragon in question to the vet, and have the vet file a report with a picture of the dragon attached. hes already going back.

Health Guarantee – We offer a 24 hour health Guarantee on all Reptiles; if upon arrival or with in the 24 hour period something does not seem right please contact us right away. If it turns out there is something wrong with the dragon we will do out best to help you with this situation or have you ship the dragon back to us (at your cost) and we will replace the dragon. Please contact us first if there is a problem, if you choose to contact other breeders or a vet before contacting us your guarantees are void.

is it me, or does that seem recently typed? why would you have that in your TOS at of 2/22/10?

Satisfaction Guarantee – If for some reason you are not happy with your dragon please contact us right away this Guarantee is good for 24 Hours. There are few things we can not Guarantee though; one being Color as stress and shedding can cause this to change we do our best to take pictures and give written descriptions of the reptile. We also do not Guarantee a dragon will breed as most dragons we sell are sold long before they are of age many things over time can effect a dragons ability to successfully reproduce.

this screams another BG post for photo shopping pics to me.

Shipping is non refundable

All guarantees are void if the temperature along the route is below 32 Degrees. We do our best to ship when it is not only the most convenient for out customer but safest for our dragons. Please do not ask us to put our dragons at risk.

shot yourself in the foot with that one, didnt you? according to you, the OP demanded that you send it in the weather below your TOS accepted shipping temps. yet you did anyway? any way you look at that, youre on the losing end Nicole/Steven.

All of our dragons are shipped in special boxes with heavy insulation; we do not use the cheap foams we see used in pre-made reptile shipping boxes we use a high grade house hold Shipping foam that will be ½ – 1 inch thick. We have tested this by leaving boxes outside all night in the cold with a heat pack and they always hold the heat much better than any other boxes we have used in the past.

*hears another gunshot* youre digging deeper and deeper into that grave arnt you?

All reptiles are packed so they will be safe for at least two days just encase they get delayed so if they say the package will be delayed one day try not to panic though we know it is hard not to.

again?

 

[westsidedragons]

Believe it or not. Here a couple of weeks ago, I was thinking of purchasing a few dragons. But after read every post I am glad that I haven't all I can say is that with Utta and everyone else. Mike glad to here your beardie is doing better.

 

[Southern Wolf]

I spoke to tommy clarke today and listened to his ramblings. The called ended with his calling me a b**** and hanging up. He reported that he has been after Nicole for a couple years. I asked why would he let someone buy if he thought that there were problems. He got buligerent and hung up.The reason this post got off trck is due to him in the first place. Grandstanding and going for blood. I'm afraid that the little man has a hidden agenda along with his buddy Mike. Since the two of them are into breeding why not crush the competition.

They dont have to crush the competition... .Nicole did that all by herself. She has destroyed her name and now she will destroy yours. Hope it was worth it.

 

[Southern Wolf]

In the future it would be a good idea for people with no real interest in dragons or first hand information just read and be quiet.

Yeah... good luck with that. You dont have to be into dragons to understand bad business practices when you see it.

Is this yet another attempt to Squash the negative comments about Sticole's business practices. Keep dreaming.

Steve... If you truely believe in the way that Nicole ran her business... then your no better than she is. If your willing to allow that kind of business practices in your business... then your's will go down the tubes just like her's did.

 

[dragonluver83]

Steven,

As I will only address a few of the meaning less statements you have made. So you DO understand.

I have pointed out countless times that you need to handle your customer. Not to worry about me. I will leave you ALONE, if you take care of this minor problem.

As for what I called you, I call things as I see them. An Like I said you want another conversation with me. Do it face to face. Im not the person you must think I am to hide behind the computer. My name is Tom Clarke NOT ed clark.

NOW to address what you posted.

I am NOT responsible for carrier delays. Who is? Once the dragon has been passed out of my hands, What can I do? Have I replaced a animal because I had a animal spent 8 days in the mail in fifty degree weather? (actual occurrence a month ago) Yes I did. I sent that customer a animal that was retailed 150 dollars higher than the one that was purchased. An I am pretty sure I sent that man another dragon at no cost, because he was so patient on the incident. ALSO the dragon that spent 8 days in the mail in those temps came back to me WITHOUT a problem. Ate on spot, not sick at all. I am only sure wher one of your dragons would have died. (as you said on the phone you had animal die in a 3 day transit. Same temps) Need another mans word to back mine up. Ask Mike at sunshine dragons. I was in touch with him about this throughout those 8 days. Sorry to mention you Mike as you stay neutral, an I respect that.

With keeping a customers Deposit. This rule was set into play when a over seas customer bought a small lot at a discounted rate. I held the animals for 2 months, and when It was time to ship. The customer wanted his money back. So i returned his money, and decided that this was unacceptable. So I made a rule to clarify that this was not tolerable. I DO have to look out for the best interest for my bus. for my animals, and myself. I have had to use that rule and enforce it. It seems to be only with overseas customers. They changed there mind after you hold a animal for a month or two because they found another animal they want in that time frame, and want there money back so they can purchase it. This is not acceptable or good buss. practice, in my eyes. An its not a rule that is hidden. As you can tell, steven pointed it out. As he even pointed out pending on housing and care If i am holding a dragon for a few days, a week, whatever, I do not ask to be compensated. but holding a wholesale lot for a month, is costly. Lighting, feeding, cleaning, and time. All cost money. I know your lights in the pics dont cost much because there not even the proper watts, nicole. I know your not putting time into cleaning these dragons because this is not the first time a health issue has been brought up, and unresolved.

Now as I set the guidelines for my buss. enough people must NOT have a problem because these rules always seem to be fine before they send there money. I also do not go threw and edit my policy every time i have a issue. unlike you. Also I am a understanding person, Things happens. I am not going to have a upset customer so I have a few bucks in my pocket.

Lastly, I want to be contacted FIRST, in the event of a problem with one of MY animals. Why is a customer going to take a dragon to the vets spend 100 bucks only to find out it was seeing its reflection in the glass tank and was stressed. If I feel an animal needs the special attention of a vet, I will be the first one to send you there.

The ONLY thing you did was "bold" the rules/statements, but not the some of the reasoning behind them. ONLY in efforts to try and make it look like I am "unfair".A shotty attempt by a desperate man is all that was. An thats okay. My name is NOT on trial here.

I did notice you did NOT put in bold that I guarantee my animals for 4 weeks after there arrival. How long do you guarantee your animals health? That guarantee must expire before the customer receives there package, huh?


So what are you going to do for Mike?

Everyone has seen posted/pictured proof. And the only thing from you is a stupid single statement. Stop beating around the bush!

For a grown man you act like a little kid. Look at your recent post. Your ignorance is showing with your attitude. Its nice to finally see the real you.

Be careful, You dont want the public to see this side of you. you might get a bad rep.

 

[alvincent]

Hakim Floyd, Are you friends with Nicole? I have a feeling you are. Climate is not a excuse to screw someone over nor does it matter if it's a new year. No one has to be given a second chance and Nicole has had many IMO, she made her bed and now she must lie in it.

Are you serious? That was a really good laugh.

 

[dragonluver83]

Are you serious? That was a really good laugh.

Lol, maybe a good snicker.

The only problem is YOUR heart is in the right place, NOT nicoles or stevens. as steven is left to do the posting, he is just as rude, just as relentless, and just a ignorant as nicole when it comes to dragons. This man and this girl both dont give a damn, lets get to it. Offering a baby in two months time is not the answer. I see plenty of posted animals nicole/steven can send him to "make it right". But they rather get the doe, for the animal. I can only see them sending Mike a small weak cheap baby to compensate him for his troubles.

BUT who in there right mind would want another baby, after purchasing a animal with these kind of health issues?

You two, steven AND nicole, Mythical dragonz, how ever you want to be addressed, get it together over there.

 

[[email protected]]

Steven,

so you only want people who breed bearded dragons to reply here? well i do breed bearded dragons and while this is only my second clutch and then some i have bred for another person for over 1 year. i am not a novice if i can start on my own and am well on my way.

I would like to say because i knew the temps across the US were going to be cold I stopped shipping before thanksgiving. All the ads i did have up i took down because no matter what happened i did not want to risk any of my dragons in the weather. after all look what happened in the north east around x-mas. those are things that we cannot control and to avoid that i took all my ads down and did not offer my dragons to anyone. i was more concerned with my dragon's health than making a few bucks.

what is your excuse that you went against your own policy and shipped in weather that your tos would not allow? a belligerent customer? if it was so bad why not take the time and explain that the reason you are with holding shipping is in the best interest of the bearded dragon in question. would that have been so hard. can you provide proof that you at least did that? i don't care if you are steven or nicole. what i care about is that this dragon was shipped in substandard conditions. you have stated your tos and you yourself have gone against it to ship the bearded dragon to your customer. if you are willing to break your tos to ship when you yourself do not believe it is safe then surely you can once again bend your tos and give your customer a refund.

i myself have sold hypos in place of a normal because i did not have the dragon that the customer in had. i offered what it is that i had, one of which i was going to hold back and allowed my customer to pic which one she wanted. it was more than obvious that she would want my promising hold back but because i did not have what she wanted i let her have it at the price for a normal. while she is not here i am sure that if i asked her to she would join here and attest to what i have done.

tell me what is it that you have done to go out of your way to make sure that this dragon was taken care of. your tos that you have posted says that you know your dragons best and that by taking a dragon that has been bought from you to a vet it nullifies everything. please tell me have you go to school for vet tech? can you run the x-rays to see if a bearded dragon or any animal for that matter is really well and shows no abnormalities? i myself am going to school for vet assistant and i would have known off hand that something was wrong with the bearded dragon besides being a breeder myself. yes i can spot certain aliments off the bat and treat them before i have to take them to a vet but that does NOT mean i know better. if that were the case you would have no need for any vet visits be it for a check up or for fecal smears. if that is the case then why should we trust you in general. you think you are above a vet because you know your dragons the best and so why should your dragons see a vet at all to help ensure us that your dragons are healthy.

see how you contradict yourself. frankly if any dragon i sold had to see the vet within a week of it being sold i would want to know why and make sure i didn't sell my customer a dragon that was sick in the first place. i would also cover shipping if after the vet visit my customer no longer wanted the dragon. naturally i would ask for evidence and that can be gathered by asking for a copy of the vet visit paper work. we are after allowed to ask for a copy.

so please tell me what your excuse is. you broke your own tos and shipped the dragon in weather you said you would not ship it in. if the customer was such a handful why didn't you say here is your money i am sorry that i can not give you what you needed. no you risked your dragon in the elements and allowed it to be shipped. you had control of the situation because it did not leave you facility then when the weather was bad. you allowed the dragon to be shipped in weather that went against your tos. the dragon got sick and you blame the customer knowing that a stressful dragon can indeed have a parasitic out break. you then continue to blame the buyer for the additional RI. all of these happened in the span of a week. there is nothing a customer can do short of keeping a dragon in a toilet for that time to envoke those ailments. of course that is an over statement but none the less. YOUR customer is upset. YOUR customer didn't think that the weather was right to ship any reptile. YOU decided to ship it and supposedly caved to the demands of a customer. please tell me which is more important, the health of any dragon that you have raised or one customer who seems belligerent because you won't ship when they want?

after all what is one lizard's life in compared to the money you make off it right?