Jim pretty much said it, deal with people who support you, who help the industry, who push forward with new innovations. Nate is not helping the industry he is just trying to make a quick buck off of other peoples hard work. Example: I saw a snow corn in his shop when I went in shortly after its opening. This snow corn was labeled as gravid. Price: $200. I came into some corns in a package deal, I ask for $50 each, which I know is high, but I am willing to negotiate. He offers me $75 for all three. These weren't normal corns either. One was a male Lavender Stripe, one was a female Bloodred het hypo, and one was a female Golddust het. motley. All of these snakes were adults, the lav stripe proven. It seems to me that no matter what a store/dealers overhead, they should be able to pay more than the one sixth of what they are going to sell it for, especially when what they will sell it for is significantly more than the market value. This is just one example of a dealing I have had with Nate. From this and other dealings it has become clear to me (as I hope it will to others) that Nate is more interested in making a profit off of others hard work rather than putting in his own hard work to advance the hobby. Oh, and I sold all of the corns myself for an average of $100 each. I am glad that I did not sell them to Nate. I am also glad that I had this excellent learning experience before I lost too much money, or more importantly acquired a sub par animal, as so many others have. I hope that those afflicted by Nates poor practices are able to resolve their issues, and I also hope that at least one person decides to buy elsewhere because of this thread. Unfortunately, much of his business is through the shop selling to beginning hobbyists. If we all work on spreading the word though perhaps we can put a dent in his show, online, and wholesale business. Finally, I can say one good thing about Nate, he sells enough non-feeding WC Box Turtles that eventually they trickle back to myself and other responsible turtle keepers. Thanks for the free turtles Nate!