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Need opinions on a bad deal with Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest!!!

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Hey Rich,

I think someone might be interested in closing this thread so anyway to just cut off the perpetrator?
 
Webslave, I realize you are very busy and this post is in no way meant to offend you or anything else. I am just letting you know that it was Tim that started with the large text and it was Tim once again that started with the name calling. The only reason I point this out is because I am aware you dont have the time to read all the posts. But in all fairness I wanted you to know what is going on. And I think Jim posted that copy/paste because of my post, so my apology for that.

Tim, I dont know how you do it but you have more luck than anyone I think, you are not held accountable for anything you say or do anywhere and you can goad people into retaliations that get them in trouble, and once again come out of it with no damage. I imagine you are enjoying this a lot. If I am wrong, please, just make right with Jim and prove me wrong but it seems to me you are a very good at being a bad guy. Only my opinion though and as everyone knows, I am wrong sometimes.
 
That may well be true, but the gradeschool defense of "He did it first!" doesn't excuse everyone else from keeping it up.

If you have a better solution on how I should handle this mess, please let me knowl.

Thanks.
 
Tim Bowels Of Arboreals Of The Rain Forest

As anyone who posts here knows, I have never posted on this board before. I don't read the board, and believe it to be a cesspool of lies and general mis-information. However, the first verifiable truth that I have ever been made aware of here has tonight prompted my post.

Tim Bowels, keep all your documentation handy, because you are going to need it sooner than you think.

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I ws thinking (yes it happens once in a while)

Knowing that Tim B sent out a sick snake.
Knowing that Tim B injected it to hide its sickness.....

What else is he capable of?

Perhaps all that stuff he wrote about Joe P.....perhaps he made it all up to make himself look better.


hhhhmmmmmm interesting.
 
Well, this certainly throws an unexpected twist into the plot. Just when you thought it couldn't get any more intriguing...
 
You have a point

Well Richie I hate to tell you but Joe P. warned me about Tim Bowles repeatedly and I never listened. Now all he says in jest to me is "I told you so". Joe and I are actually what I would call good friends and I have worked out my differences with him (mostly on my part).

I think it is terrible what Tim implied about Tony's animals that he has sold in the past! Tony is one of the most respected breeders in this hobby and for Arboreals of the Rainforest to post what he did is a borderline crime. Who lnows what he will come up with next.
 
Scott,

I understand you wanting to keep it on a level playing field here. I also understand you wanting to make certain that when someone lies, he is called out for it. I think Jim was absolutely wrong for lying to Tim as he did, and I count his credibility as having suffered for it. I appreciate your attitude and efforts in both of these aspects of this thread.

However, just so there is no misunderstanding, let me ask you a couple of questions about that snake that Tim sent to Matt. Do you agree that the snake was sick when it was sent to Matt? Do you agree that it apparently had been given subQ injections to try to hydrate it? Do you think that Tim was in the right for doing either og those things?

Thanks in advance for addressing those issues, Scott.






Tim,

You look really silly posting about Matt not answering questions for you, when you refuse to answer the basic question that have been asked of you repeatedly throughout this 40+ page thread! You are obviously a hypocrite as well as what else you might be. Please knock it off and just answer the questions raised for you to answer.
 
What is ridiculous is that ANYONE can believe Tim did anything other than send a sick, dying animal to Matt at a high price tag on purpose. There is no excuse, nor reason ANYONE should send an animal like that out EVER! and to make things worse Tim still refuses to answer the questions, refuses to accept responsibility for his actions and refuses to issue the refund. There is one thing I have learned Karma will get you in the end and this goes for Tim 10 fold. Tim please accept your actions, and make good on them. Quit trying to change the focus onto others who have nothing to do with this thread and issue the refund to Matt that you rightfully owe him. He has shown documented proof that the animal you sent to him had the virus and there is no way the animal had the virus when he sent it to you. IN the 9 months you had the animal it became ill, and you decided to dump it onto Matt for what ever stupid reason you had and did so. In doing so you have proven yourself to be dishonest, crooked and a liar and someone that NO ONE should do business with ever.
 
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Now....do you know who bought the $7,000.00 emerald Scotty? They should definately be warned about the potential danger of that animal. She was sick when I got her and like I said I know your friend Tim started to treat her after her return to him. Let us all know Scotty if you find out who purchased her and as always your opinions are welcome.

Thanks for taking the time to answer!
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Never said I knew who bought it. Isn't this thread about warning people of the potential danger? I have no personal interest if finding out who purchased the snake.. so.. I could care less who bought her.. and I will not look into it.


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Hey Scott

We all understand that you are a good friend of 'Honest Tims' so I have a question for you. Going through some of this thread again I noticed the above question and answer for and from you. You didn't seem to give a straight forward answer as to if you knew who bought the snake. So here it is again for you and just a simple yes or no answer will do.

Do you know who bought the 'Amazon Basin' that Arboreals of the Rainforest was advertising on Kingsnake at the prie of $7,000.00?

Thanks for your timely response
 
Darin Chappell said:
Scott,

However, just so there is no misunderstanding, let me ask you a couple of questions about that snake that Tim sent to Matt. Do you agree that the snake was sick when it was sent to Matt? Do you agree that it apparently had been given subQ injections to try to hydrate it? Do you think that Tim was in the right for doing either og those things?
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Yes, I do agree the snake was sick when sent to Matt, it had been given injections. I do not 100% believe that Matt was not aware of these things. Granted.. Matt will come on here flaming me saying I have blinders on or something like that. There is not 100% proof that the snake got the virus from Tim's collection. My girlfriend is a molecular genetics.. with a focus on virology (she works in curing pediatric cancer at childrens hospital).. and the time that lapsed between the test and the arrival was a sizeable amount.. and since if I remember correctly.. the test proved that the snake was only in the early stage of the illness. Granted.. I am prepared for the incoming flames.. but.. for those of you thinking about.. its obvious the flames don't bother me.. save your time :p. I wonder.. if it weren't for the virus, would those injections used to rehydrate have had such an alarming reaction. But.. unfortunately.. since it cannot be 100% determined where the virus came from... this is just a question that can be answered in speculation. What I can say.. is that Tim has been selling arboreals for some time now.. and.. nobody else has come forward to say they have recieved a snake with the virus. As far as Jim's situation.. I find it very odd that there is only one vet that can perform the test that is needed. If Jim was truely worried.. it would already have been tested.
 
Ghi Reptiles said:

Hey Scott

We all understand that you are a good friend of 'Honest Tims' so I have a question for you. Going through some of this thread again I noticed the above question and answer for and from you. You didn't seem to give a straight forward answer as to if you knew who bought the snake. So here it is again for you and just a simple yes or no answer will do.

Do you know who bought the 'Amazon Basin' that Arboreals of the Rainforest was advertising on Kingsnake at the prie of $7,000.00?

Thanks for your timely response
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Matt... obviously.. you don't really read my replies.. so.. maybe... will try one more time to answer it.

My name is Scott Axel. I live in Columbus, Ohio. I am 26 years old. I have been keeping herps seriously for a little over 10 years now. I used to run a pet store in Columbus, Ohio. I work for Thermal Seal, Inc. selling home improvement products.

Matt.. in that above statement, does it say anywhere that I work for Tim Bowles or have any business ties to him? I have no idea about his business associates nor does it bother me as to whom purchased this snake. I will not answer that question because it has no relevance. You will not get a yes or no from me.. because I am not the one you should ask about that. Tim has no reason to tell you who his customers are.. and that person has no reason to post on here to satisfy your needs.

You complain about him diverting the attention of your situation onto other areas.. but... isn't this what you are doing as well?
 
Scott,

I am not going to flame you at all. But you hit it on the head. You do have Blinders on. The animal was sent to Matt in that condition. And trying to make it seem like Matt had some knowledge of that animals condition is ludicrous. There is no way anyone would pay $2500 for an animal in that condition knowingly and specially not Matt. The injections and body cavity filled with fluid was one of the main first things everyone noticed on the snake when he received it. Knowing about the virus had nothing to do with reacting to the injections. After the injections were seen in the pics we later find out that the animal had the virus. Maybe you really should go read the Vet report on the snake again. It is obvious that the snake arrived to Matt with the Virus and the sub-Q injections were more than likely a way that Tim was trying to make the animal look a little better in his goal of passing the snake off as healthy. The vet report basically stated that the animal arrived like that and in case you forgot the animals went almost directly to the Vet's office so there is no way of saying the virus originated anywhere but at Tim's facility. Tim has repeatedly shown himself to be what he is. A crook, thief, and Liar and he is someone that should be avoided at all cost.
 
"Yes, I do agree the snake was sick when sent to Matt, it had been given injections. I do not 100% believe that Matt was not aware of these things. "

Scott, are suggesting that Matt may have known the animal was sick before Tim sent it to him? If so, is there evidence of this being the case?

I guess what has me as aggrivated about this as anything else is that Tim sent a sick snake to Matt (it seems obvious that this is true, regardless of what else may be), and when he was called to the carpet over the deal, Tim simply stopped saying anything here. He invoked a lawyer immediately, and we did not see anything from him for an extended period of time. Now, we see him begin to post again, but he refuses to answer the simple, direct questions put to him.

Now, there is no doubt that Tim has the right to behave exactly as he has. However, Tim, in time past, used to just HAMMER people for doing the very same types of things here! It just seems far too hypocritical to let it go unnoticed.
 
Rob @ RK Reptiles said:
Scott,

I am not going to flame you at all. But you hit it on the head. You do have Blinders on. The animal was sent to Matt in that condition. And trying to make it seem like Matt had some knowledge of that animals condition is ludicrous. There is no way anyone would pay $2500 for an animal in that condition knowingly and specially not Matt. The injections and body cavity filled with fluid was one of the main first things everyone noticed on the snake when he received it. Knowing about the virus had nothing to do with reacting to the injections. After the injections were seen in the pics we later find out that the animal had the virus. Maybe you really should go read the Vet report on the snake again. It is obvious that the snake arrived to Matt with the Virus and the sub-Q injections were more than likely a way that Tim was trying to make the animal look a little better in his goal of passing the snake off as healthy. The vet report basically stated that the animal arrived like that and in case you forgot the animals went almost directly to the Vet's office so there is no way of saying the virus originated anywhere but at Tim's facility. Tim has repeatedly shown himself to be what he is. A crook, thief, and Liar and he is someone that should be avoided at all cost.
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Yes, there was a vet test for its health upon arrival.. but.. if I am correct.. the final test was not till some time after. I cannot remember exactly.. and... attempted to go back through this thread yesterday.... made it about 16 pages then got bored.. too many pages to read... lol.. we need a cliff notes version.

Well.. if it is decided I have blinders on... I believe I am not the only one. I see many people writing on what seems to be a purely emotional level.. looking at the pictures of the snake then just taking it from there. I honestly do not think both sides have been 100% honest.
 
Scott, Weather the snake had the virus at all or not and were it came from is just a second blow, Even though it is a bigger one. The snake was sent in very poor condition and matt was unhappy with it the moment he opened the box. Tim should have refunded the money right there and then. PERIOD. And you even admitted that the snake was sent in poor condition but you seem to defend Tim. Do you find it OK to send out sick snakes ?

And as far as me and the vet. PLEASE tell me were I can have it checked for the virus, because I hame tired of having to worry about it. And Tim says he got all his checked. I find that hard to believe when I have been trying for over a month with no luck.
 
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