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Need opinions on a bad deal with Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest!!!

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I wasn't going to post any more on this subject.It's been debated over and over, and the lines have been drawn.However,Scott seems to think that Matt switched the snake,that's not the same one
that Tim sent out.If that was the case, don't you think that Tim would be screaming
his head off about it?Instead
he comes on here and tries to put the blame on UPS and Matt.He is a coward!A person would have to be really stupid to post as many photos
of this snake as Matt has and it not be the same snake.Matt is NOT a stupid person, unlike Tim who thought he could get away with this.His reputation is toast!To me, that means more than just money.He may have pulled this off moneywise, but he is scum to most people on this board, and always will be.By his own actions and replies on this board, Tim has proven to me and many others that he is a
lier,a thief,and someone not to be trusted ever again.
Is this the kind of person
you want to stand up for Scott?It doesn't say much for you Scott,but it's your choice.Go to page one of this thread and compare the photos
of this snake before and after.New locality eyespotters are not common animals, and it looks like the same snake to me.You and a couple of your buddies are the only ones saying that it's not the same snake.It's
not up to Nett to prove it's
the same snake.If that's what you really believe,IT'S UP TO
YOU TO PROVE THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME ANIMAL.You want to come on here and throw that
kind of stuff out there.Don't be lazy, prove what you're
trying to say.Anybody can throw out accusations,but if
you can't prove it,they mean nothing.I think Tim, Bobby, and yourself are full of hot air, and have yet to see anything to change my mind.There are plenty of pics
of this animal on page one of this thread, both before it was sent out and after it was
sent back sick and on deaths
door.If you can prove to me that is not the same snake I will give you a full apology.
Until then, stick your head
back up Tim"s'b@#$.
 
ScottsReptiles said:
Well Nett.. why don't you prove to me it is the same snake.. and "Matt said so" is not a valid reply.
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If I remeber correctly, Tim has never denied it is the same snake. I could be wrong though. Instead of attacking everyone else and asking them to prove it's the same snake, I challenge you to prove it's NOT the same snake. If you have some information the rest of us are not privy to, please share.
 
Well Nett.. why don't you prove to me it is the same snake.. and "Matt said so" is not a valid reply.
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It's rather difficult to post a valid reply to a request that, in and of itself, is entirely invalid. It is a form of pseudoreasoning known as a "false burden of proof."

Rather, let's put the burden of proof regarding this claim where it logically should be- on Scott.
 
Ken Harbart said:
It's rather difficult to post a valid reply to a request that, in and of itself, is entirely invalid. It is a form of pseudoreasoning known as a "false burden of proof."

Rather, let's put the burden of proof regarding this claim where it logically should be- on Scott.
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I have posted on multiple forums that after looking at the pictures posted on here.. that I could not tell they were the same snake. Matt's only replies were "thanks for your opinion" replies. The only even half reply to my query was him asking me why would he do such a thing. Read this thread.. I think it is apparent, he has done quite a bit to ruin Tim business. Some here might reply "Tim has done it to himself"... but.. I can see a motive without looking to hard.
 
Scott,

I am not going to get on here and attack you in the least. Tim has done this to himself not only by shipping the snake in that condition but by his actions throughout this entire situation.
If you take an open minded look at the pictures (both the pictures of the animal before it was sent to Mr.Bowels and after received back from him with the Sub-Q injections you can clearly compare the markings of the snake. Both pictures of the animal have the EXACT same markings. So there is no doubt that it is the same animal.
 
Well this certainly is a pickle, now isn't it? Tell me, if Tim posted photos of a snake that did not look like the one in the photos Matt is showing, would anyone believe Tim? I do believe that his responses, when made, would have been far different from what he has said if Matt had switched snakes. From what I have read, never once has Tim disputed that the snake in the photos was the one he sent.

Sorry, but no, that argument is not going to cut it at all. That sounds like some sort of committee decision on what to try to do after the fact as damage control, to me.

And yes Scott, you can certainly bet on the wrong horse if you want to, but it does make you look like a poor better after a while, don't you think? Playing devils advocate and giving the underdog an extra bone is all noble and everything, but after a while it just makes you look like someone just stirring the pot to watch the bubbles.
 
Rob @ RK Reptiles said:
Scott,

I am not going to get on here and attack you in the least. Tim has done this to himself not only by shipping the snake in that condition but by his actions throughout this entire situation.
If you take an open minded look at the pictures (both the pictures of the animal before it was sent to Mr.Bowels and after received back from him with the Sub-Q injections you can clearly compare the markings of the snake. Both pictures of the animal have the EXACT same markings. So there is no doubt that it is the same animal.
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Thanks for staying away from the attack! It is greatly appreciated. I was looking at head markings of the snake. Tim sent pictures of the left side. Matt only posts pictures of the right side of the head. I was trying to find scale patterns that I could compare with.. since photoshop and other similar programs could very easily duplicate color patterns. (I have a good editing program that does very nice zoom work so I could see the patterns). I could not verify the patterns were the same since I could not find the same sides of the head to compare with.
 
I was looking at head markings of the snake. Tim sent pictures of the left side.
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Great! Go ahead and post pictures of what he sent you and then I will do the same and we ALL can compare and that should end that one.
 
Scott,

If you look at pictures that are posted on page one of this thread you can see the exact same markings on the right side of the head in both before and after pictures. Also if you compare the dorsal markings on the lower half of the body you clearly see the markings are the same.
 
Yeah Matt,

But it won't end there! He will just come up with another rediculous excuse to cover for his buddy Tim. I wouldn't even bother answering anymore if his posts. Just ignore him......He has clearly selected his side and nothing will change that....
 
scotty scotty scotty, I just don't understand it. Didn't we larn ya no bettern' that?

You only have left side of head pictures. Matt has only posted right side of head pictures. Yet you are SURE they are not the same snake?

If you can't even fathom the necessity of comparing the same parts of a snake to determine whether or not you have one or more snakes you're looking at ...... well how can you have the nerve to come here and post as you do?

I can't even think of a good analogy for showing you how wrong this is. You KNOW you don't have the right shots for comparison and yet you reach a conclusion that you are positive is right. Even in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

For a while you had a little credibility but, I must say it's gotten to be almost nil as of now. Face it, your buddy timmy is a scumbag and your continuing to defend him is becoming BAD for you.

You've gone so far as having jolly and I agree now. Quit watching the bubbles, no matter how pretty they are when they pop the smell like crap.

Wes Pollock
 
Scott......WOW......Looks like this isnt going well for u ...I would stop while ur behind ....LOL

I have compaired before and after pics time and time again ......It is the SAME snake ....

And like many have already said .......If it wasnt ...Timmmy would be the 1st to freak about that ...yet he didnt ...Hmmmmmm...It was his damage control team that started spewing that about 4 months ago ......Ur a lil behind like usual.......Go figure ;)
 
Scott

I am still curious. I asked a question a few pages back that has not actually been answered yet. Are you aware of anyone else (including Mr. Bowles) who has made any mention of doubting that the animal pictured is the same one sent?

I actually took the time to skim through the entire thread yesterday and it seems that you are the only one with doubts.
 
If you guys knew what Scott looks like you would understand why he is doing what he is doing.

He is like the little kid that no one would play with, so He is trying to Prove that Tim is in the right so he will get browny points and people will play with him... LOL LOL LOL

Go get em scotty.
 
I guess I've had about enough of the name calling and snide remarks in this thread. If anyone has any FACTS to add, then please do so. All the other crap can be sent via private emails to your favorite arguing buddy and spare the rest of us your personal thoughts about someone else.
 
Suncoast Herpetological said:
Scott

I am still curious. I asked a question a few pages back that has not actually been answered yet. Are you aware of anyone else (including Mr. Bowles) who has made any mention of doubting that the animal pictured is the same one sent?

I actually took the time to skim through the entire thread yesterday and it seems that you are the only one with doubts.
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John:Yes, on other forums it has been brought up. They all run into one.. so.. its hard to figure out which forum it was said on and which it was not.

Nett: Wasn't it you that asked for the discussion to be moved here? I posted my observations.. not caring what I looked like in your eyes or anyone elses.

Rob: Thank you for the reply. The post was not that I knew they were or were not the same snake.. my query was that I had problem verifying they were the same snake and asked for help in doing so. I never said that I knew 100% that it was not the same snake. I believe too many people are reading posts with their emotional level higher then the cognitive level.

Webslave: Thank you. It seems that on every forum the only rebuttal Jim ever has is a personal attack. Pretty entertaining to me since when we met, he invited me to come up and to his place and help him with his digital photography skills.

Jim: For the record, I am trying to organize the information on this page the best I can. I could care less who likes me on here. I do not own a reptile business nor do I see myself ever getting back into the commercial arena with herps
 
ScottsReptiles said:
Nett: Wasn't it you that asked for the discussion to be moved here? I posted my observations.. not caring what I looked like in your eyes or anyone elses.
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Sorry Scott...
But it wasnt this issue that I was referring to and u know it ....

But nice try ;)
 
Webslave: Thank you. It seems that on every forum the only rebuttal Jim ever has is a personal attack. Pretty entertaining to me since when we met, he invited me to come up and to his place and help him with his digital photography skills.


Yes scott I did invite you because you claimed you were this great photographer, But I seen your work since then, LOL

I tried to stay out of your conversation, but I find it amusing everytime I see your name ( that you posted somewhere) Because I know I am going to laugh.

And I believe it was you that started on me first, so I am allways going to finish what you started.

And you said to Rob that you never said 100% that it was not the same snake so what is it then 99% sure.
You have made claims here and there that you do not believe its the same snake and that is why you are definding Tim.
 
Hi Scott,

Why no reply to my offer? Since you brought it up I am still waiting for the pictures you say were sent to you so we can compare shots to help ease your mind. I am always willing to help others! It is already puzzling to me that you have not posted any since you seem to want to prove me wrong so bad. You have had plenty of time to do this and have failed to so I think we can all assume........well you know. Until you post those pics he sent you, your posting will be meaningless and dodging so save your typing fingers. If you can't back something up.....don't say it.
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
Hi Scott,

Why no reply to my offer? Since you brought it up I am still waiting for the pictures you say were sent to you so we can compare shots to help ease your mind. I am always willing to help others! It is already puzzling to me that you have not posted any since you seem to want to prove me wrong so bad. You have had plenty of time to do this and have failed to so I think we can all assume........well you know. Until you post those pics he sent you, your posting will be meaningless and dodging so save your typing fingers. If you can't back something up.....don't say it.
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I have been sent no pictures.. I was looking at pictures posted online. You are the one assuming things. I was asking for help in clearifying. I said "I do not believe they are the same snakes" ... which.. is a different statement then "I know they are the different snakes". please.. read what is written..not what you want it to say.
 
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