Need opinions on a bad deal with Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest!!!

[geckosunlimited]

Tim's lawyer

Who, in their right mind, would even represent Tim? I find it very hard to believe that he has an attorney in this matter. It's not too hard to find someone to write a threatening letter, with enough legalese to seem legitimate.

 

[jim scharphorn]

Thanks everyone for your support. Let me throw this in as well.

And be for warned get a cup of coffe because you will be here a bit. ( Long post with all e-mails )

I got sick and tired of Bobby's crap and Tim telling me what to do on this matter and I e-mailed Tim and told Tim that I did not have the snake anymore because Bobby picked it up and then 2 days later told him I still had it and then threatened to stuff it with such a big rat that it would puke every time tim sneezed. I would never do this but told this to tim because I was sick of him and bobby's demands.

That is when Tim said he would not take it back.

I called Tim yesterday and told him I was just going to end it and payfor it after I recieved a e-mail from his 5 dollar lawer here is what he said. You would have to flip the email around this is his responce to my e-mail back to him

Mr. Scharphorn:

I'd be happy to talk with your legal counsel and am obligated to do so now
that you have advised me that you are represented. Please forward this
message to your attorney and ask him/her to contact me. Please also provide
me with your attorney's contact information. Unless you advise that you are
no longer represented by counsel I can not communicate with you further,
other than to serve you with a summons.

Tim will not credit you for return of the snake. As we discussed, you have
now had the snake for more than a month, you have threatened to harm it, you
have repeatedly been dishonest and reneged on your agreements and you have
sick snakes in your collection. Under the circumstances, I don't know a
reputable breeder who would accept the snake back. Tim will not credit a
return of the snake and, in any event, is unavailable on Tuesday to receive
shipments.

Given your stated intent to, once again, go back on your word, I have
advised Tim to move forward with filing a lawsuit against you.

-Brett Nelson


-----Original Message-----
From: coolcritters [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:15 AM
To: Brett
Subject: Re: Tim Bowles


Brett, I have talked to legal council and I do not have to pay for the
snake. I am sending the snake back to Tim on Monday for a tuesday revieve.
you may want to make sure that he is aware of this and is available to
recieve the snake on tuesday.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn


I then e-mailed Tim and asked for a invoice or a bill from Arboreals of the rainforst for the snake in question and Tim e-mailed me back saying that he could not talk to me and everything had to go threw his lawer. so I emailed back telling him that to have his lawer send me a bill and I would hold off on sending payment till I recieved the bill.

here is all the e-mails between me and tim. except for the very first one or two. for some reason all my e-mails from corrallus are gone but lucky enough Tim posted some of them from his side of the fence.


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Jim Scharphorn
Tree Boa For Life



Group: 100% Corallus
Posts: 531
Joined: Sep. 2002 Posted: July 05 2003,14:31


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At the moment I do not have a pot to piss in.LOL ( not funny )

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If you can put down a small deposit, I will wait.


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I would like to have her but after buying the pair of basins I am tapped, and do not see any funds till around the end of aug.

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Hey Jim,
I have no idea what she weighs. I only have micro scales for neos. Nothing that goes that heavy.

She will most likely breed this fall but the next for sure. I wouldnt hesitate trying her this season.

It's amazing how many folks want everything that I am not selling. I have been bombarded with emails asking for things on my site.

If you want her give me yell. I will saver her for you.


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Tim, any offers yet on the female ? how much does she weigh do you know ? I remember her but cant remember how big she is. I am starting to shop for a female to breed this fall to my male.


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What a life, hanging in the tree tops.

www.coolcrittersbylj.com


and then there was a few e-mails inbetween him saying when he would ship if he could, and me asking if he did.






----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Hey Tim, Just checking again on the eye spot female.
I am getting her from you with the intentions of breeder her this winter.
And I want to make sure that she is eating bi- weekly for you and has not ever regurged and that she is in perfect condition. And how does she feed ? and what size meal ? Are you feeding live/thawed/ heated/ fresh kill/ anything and everything will help.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com
----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Yes Jim she is in perfect shape. Never a regurge issue, snotty nose or runny poop.
She eats bi weekly on ft small to med rats off tongs.
Never a single health problem.
If the cath lab is willing and lets me off in time I should be able to ship on Monday for a Tuesday delivery.
I will be leaving for a few weeks on Wednesday so I will out of touch for a while. Going on a Vaca with the family and friends.
Tim
----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Cool, Are you soaking the rat in hot water before offering it to her ? And have fun on vacation. Can we come. LOL
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com

----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Yes I am soaking the rats.. That's how I thaw them out. I put them in a pan and run hot water on them until they are thawed.
Wanna go fishing to Minnesota with me? We would love the company.
Tim


Jim Scharphorn

From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Tim, She got here in aparent good shape. She is definitly not ready to breed this year she only weighs 700 grams. Now I got to find a diffrent one that is ready to breed this year.

And please quit telling people to not sell to me, Its not fare for you top talk behind my back about me. if you want to talk bad about me do it in public so I can atleast defend my self.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com

----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


What are you talking about Jim?

I am glad she arrived fine for you.

She is ready to feed, so let her have it.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Matt, Called me when he found out that you were selling me that female and wanted to know why you would tell him not to sell to me but then you would sell to me. And ralph mentioned something about my pukers that you told him about.
That still does not change the fact that this female is not big enough to breed this year, You knew I was intersted and stated that I wanted her to breed this year and you said that she would. she needs about another 500 grams to go and there is no way I can get her to gain that much weight.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com


----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Plane and simple Matt is full of chit and just pissed off at me. I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth for love nor money.
But that's your choice to do so or not.

Don't underestimate a good feeding regime Jim. She can add enough to surprise you. She is of age so feed her well and see what you can pull off.

Tim


Now this was all in about the first week. Then Tim went on vacation for 2 weeks.

Jim,
Go back and review the pm's from corallus.com.
I am still waiting for your reply.
Tim

From: BasinsRus
To: Jim Scharphorn
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:07 PM
Subject: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?



Jim,
Go back and review the pm's from corallus.com.
I am still waiting for your reply.
Tim

From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Get a life, You knew I wanted a female to breed this year you told me she should go but for sure next year but I would not hesitate this year.That tells me that she should breed this year) she is not even close. Then you say that I held her and knew what she looked like. I never touched anything of yours not even your atb when you pulled it out. why don't you just go cry to someone else I am sure you are allready telling stories to anyone that will listen to you. she only weighs 700 grams there is no way I can put 500 grams on her this year, you knew damn well I wanted a female to breed. I am going to have her tested for the virus until then I am not giving you crap for her. You pissed me off for talking [bleep] behind my back, so go away.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com
----- Original Message -----

From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Simply put you are a liar Jim. You saw and held her and knew up front.
Test her and you will see she is clean. Then you will be eating your words.
Does theft come to mind?
C ya soon Jimbo.


From: BasinsRus
To: Jim Scharphorn
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:11 PM
Subject: Fw: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?



Jim Scharphorn
12390 136th Ave.
Grand Haven, MI 49417
616-850-0432

You have 1 week to pay in full the amount of $600.00 or relinquish the animal to Bobby Pruett in person or charges of theft will be filed on your person.

Have a good day.

Tim Bowles

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Sorry Bobby showed up last night and took it allready.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com


----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Jim Scharphorn
12390 136th Ave.
Grand Haven, MI 49417
616-850-0432
As of 10:30 am on Sunday the 17th Bobby Pruett has not received this animal as he is still in Indiana and I am on the phone with him now.
Your attempt at deception on strengthens my case of theft on you and theft by deception is a felony in Ohio.
You now have 6 days to comply.
Thank you and have a good day.
Tim Bowles

From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Don't know what to tell you, except Bobby has allready picked the animal up. I cannot give you again what I do not have. Maybe Bobby is now the scammer, Like you were to Matt but in a diffrent way, As you see I guess Freinds turn on freinds. I gave the animal up talk to Bobby that came and got it.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com
----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?



Jim Scharphorn
12390 136th Ave.
Grand Haven, MI 49417
616-850-0432

You now have 5 days in which to return this animal.

In your next email to me dated and pasted below you still have the animal in question.

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


You gave me till the end of august to pay, seeing you changed the deal, you can come and get it. do not bring anyone else but family I do not trust you or any of your freinds. . To your words I have 5 days to turn it over, I will consider it abandon if it is still here after 5 days. got it.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com

Your lies and deception are getting you in deep trouble Jim. Bobby Pruett has my authority to collect this animal or the money by the date stated in this email.

You stated in this email pasted, dated and marked in bold that you were changing the deal, not I.

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Get a life, You knew I wanted a female to breed this year you told me she should go but for sure next year but I would not hesitate this year.That tells me that she should breed this year) she is not even close. Then you say that I held her and knew what she looked like. I never touched anything of yours not even your atb when you pulled it out. why don't you just go cry to someone else I am sure you are allready telling stories to anyone that will listen to you. she only weighs 700 grams there is no way I can put 500 grams on her this year, you knew damn well I wanted a female to breed. I am going to have her tested for the virus until then I am not giving you crap for her. You pissed me off for talking [bleep] behind my back, so go away.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com


Further more, Bobby Pruett has all legal rights to collect this animal for me and has contacted you on several occasions to do so. Cell phone records will prove that you contacted him as well. Your refusal to comply only serves to further strengthen my case of theft by deception against you.

Have a nice day.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Yup, you now have 5 days to pick it up yourself or consider it abandon.you must make arrangments of day and Time I will not go for you to just show up at my door. no ifs and or buts. I am not at your becon call, you want it you make a time to pick it up.5 days ends friday night. I will give you half a chance and give you till sunday night before 8PM.8/24/2003 after that it is gone.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com


----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Jim Scharphorn
12390 136th Ave.
Grand Haven, MI 49417
616-850-0432

You now have 5 days in which to return this animal or make the full payment.

Have nice day.
Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Yup you got 5 days to pick it up or you can kiss my ass. you will not get this snake any other way so give it up, looser boy. You will not get it without making prior arrangments also. If you do not knock your [bleep] off I will stuff this [bleep]er with such a big rat that it will puke it up every time you sneeze. Now take that to the bank and sent it to your buddy ralph and bobby.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn

And this was the last e-mail from Tim till the lawer got involved

In light of your threat to inflict harm on this animal you now 4 days in which to pay in full.

Have a nice day.
Tim


I hope that you will now give your opinions about this matter, and make them good please because i am probably going to stick with the majority or your replies and hope for the best.

 

[Randy Bennett]

sick new locale

Hey Jim.If you like the snake
and want to keep it,you should
stop beating around the bush
and take the snake to a vet,draw
the necessary sample, and send it off to test for the paramyxo
virus.Playing deceptive games
with someone like Tim,"who has
already proved how deceptive
he is,"is a total waste of
time, and makes you look bad.
Honestly tell Tim that due to recent events, it has become
necessary to have the snake
checked for the deadly virus
and if it's clean, you will
pay for it as soon as you get the results,minus the cost for the test. If you don't want
to keep the snake,I personally
would still get it tested, but that's up to you,send it back
and be done with it.I wouldn't
worry about Tim's threat's
because he is the one that is misrepresenting the animals that he is sending out.In Matt's case
I would even call it criminal
behavior.For him to threaten to sue you is interesting in itself
because of the way he has acted with Matt.Cowardly fool would describe it better.However Matt
can take care of himself.His case is open and shut.
However you situatiom is a little different, and your deceptive emails are not in your best interest.Bottom line is
if you plan to keep it get it tested and then pay or don't pay
depending on the result.If you don't want it,send it back, and then be done with it.That's why
I recommend testing the snake
either way.Tim's behavior is what makes this necessary, his
willingness to send out sick animals.Test it, and then act
accordingly.Tell Tim honestly
what you plan to do, then do it.
Ignore his threats until it's done,then do what is necessary.
I recommended this course a long time ago, and you still are still goofing around with this.Make a decision, use your head,and do what's right.It's really not that hard!

 

[Sasheena]

I find it interesting that a lawyer would say this:

I don't know a
reputable breeder who would accept the snake back.

Wow, tim was lucky enough to find a lawyer who knows a lot of reputable breeders?

Or is his "lawyer" just one of his friends posing as a lawyer.

 

[gila7150]

Good observation Sasheena.
I'm betting it's a friend posing as a lawyer.

Jim,
Ask Tim's "lawyer" for his office address and phone # so your lawyer can get in touch with him. Is it common practice for a lawyer to carry on conversation with the person being sued over email??? Is Susan Smith his paralegal?

I would get that animal tested ASAP! If the snake comes back positive for the virus that would kill any case that Tim has. The longer you wait to have it tested, the easier it will be for Tim to claim that the animal contracted the virus in your collection.

 

[ScottsReptiles]

I got sick and tired of Bobby's crap and Tim telling me what to do on this matter and I e-mailed Tim and told Tim that I did not have the snake anymore because Bobby picked it up and then 2 days later told him I still had it and then threatened to stuff it with such a big rat that it would puke every time tim sneezed. I would never do this but told this to tim because I was sick of him and bobby's demands.


She will most likely breed this fall but the next for sure. I wouldnt hesitate trying her this season.

Honestly Jim.. I have been staying out of your situation.. but... I cannot stay out anymore.

1) Tim said the snake would be ready to breed next year for surem but with a little feeding might be ready for this year. If you would have read your emails properly.. you would have seen that he wasn't saying it was 100% ready to breed this year. If you were looking for a breeder this year... why did you buy one that would "most likely breed this fall"?

2) Your actions in this matter have been childish. You have threatned to harm the snake, you have intentionally lied about the whereabouts of the snake (and admitting that you lied to him about Bobby having the snake). I do agree with the lawyer.. I do not know any breeder or collector that would take back a snake in which the current keeper has threatned to harm it. Would anyone reading this post take such an animal into your collections?

I think the animosity for Tim because of Matt's problem have clouded peoples mind

 

[HerpVenue]

1. If I were in Tim's shoes...I would not take back the snake ecause youthreatened to harm it.

2. If I were in Tim's shoes I would still give you till the end of august to pay. (If and only if that was your original agreement.....I could not find that anywhere)

3. If I were in Tim's shoes I would take the money I used to hire a lawyer and just pay Matt back for the OBVIOUSLY SICK SNAKE that I sent him.

But then again I am not Tim.
I do not sell sick animals............And if I untintentionally do.......I refund the money rather quickly.....Or withi acouple days.


So yeah. Just pay the money.

If you did not threaten the snake I would say fight with everything you got. And the original agreement was the end of August (I think) ad the end of August is fast approaching


And before you talk to his five dollar lawyer.
Ask for verification of his identity and his credentials.
You could be talking to a friend or long lost cousin who has a job as a janitor at some law firm in a small town that you can miss if you drive through it and blink. (nice run on sentence)

 

[jim scharphorn]

Tim will not give me the oppertunity to have it tested he wants it paid for now.

And I am in no way going to screw Tim out of what should be his. so i am just going to send the money. if it shows up that it has the virus then hey that will just be another pg.

Thanks for your opinions.

 

[gila7150]

Tim will not give me the oppertunity to have it tested he wants it paid for now.

Why do you think that is?
Do what you feel is right but that is one hell of a gamble.

....By the way, does anyone else find it strange that an attorney would send a ultimatum email to the person being sued and just sign it by his name "Brett Nelson"
No law firm info, contact info, etc....just some guys name on an email.
Oh well, I hope everything works out for you.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

From what I hear Brett is a good friend of a 'friend of Tims'.

1. I do find some strange things also with his e-mail to Jim. How does Brett know for a fact that Jim has sick animals in his collection? If Tim told Brett this, the proper way for Brett to word it would be: From what my client has told me, you have sick snakes in your collection..... but that is just my opinion of the way it should be worded and I really don't know if it should be put in an e-mail in such of 'a matter of fact' type way from a lawyer that doesn't know this for a fact....unless of course Jim told Brett that his collection has sick animals in it. But I don't know what really transpired in Bretts conversations with Jim so this is just my opinion after reading what Jim posted.

2. As far as Tim being a reputable breeder.... in my opinion he would have to first breed something wouldn't he? Am I wrong here? Now as far as I am concerned and from what Tim has told me personally he is a hobbiest and thats all. Just like Jim stated he can't get a receipt from Tim so it shouldn't be a business if you can't issue a receipt to a customer. I have heard from more than just Jim that when asked Tim would not issue receipts. Even one just recently within the last two months. Why is that Tim?

Hey Scott,

You make some valid points but why would Tim send Jim a snake up front without payment when in my opinion the whole corallus world (being facecious) knows he can't stand Jim? That has to make you think a little doesn't it? Tim even told me not to sell anything to Jim because he was an a$$#@*#. Why all of the sudden would Tim send a $600.00 animal to this horrible guy without any kind of payment? I understand you are being a good friend but doesn't it honestly seem strange to you?

Jim threatened to harm the snake.....yeah everyone read it, but in my opinion I feel he was at witts end with Tim hounding him and with the fear of Tims friend coming to Jims house to 'collect' the animal from Jim. In my opinion I think he was just trying to get the two guys to leave him alone.

Jim did tell Tim that his friend already picked up the animal but again in my opinion that was to get Tim off his back and to ease his family's fear of this guy coming to the house when Jim wasn't there! It would be evident very shortly that Tims friend didn't pick it up so no harm done. Jim was so concerned about this guy showing up he called me and asked what I thought he should do because his wife was scared.

I think the animosity for Tim because of Matt's problem have clouded peoples mind

Who knows on this one Scott but in my opinion there seems to be a lot coming out of the woodwork wouldn't you say?

 

[John Hedger]

Jim,
I for the most part agree with the last few responces. I understand your anger at the time of those emails... but some of the things you said to Tim do not reflect well on you. Threatening to feed it too large a meal and telling Tim Bobby picked it up already was foolish...especially since you still have the snake, unpaid for. I personally would have handled things much differently. What Matt told you about Tim not liking you etc., seems to have fueled your anger early on in the deal. Perhaps you should have sent it back at that point.
The whole thing about 700 grams vs 1200 grams etc.,etc., is kindof a moot point and reveals inexperience on your part. If you had to go on the forums and ask how big an emerald needs to be to breed and cannot determine this by looking at the animal in you hands, then perhaps you are not quite ready for a breeding project this Fall anyway. I'm not bashing your inexperience Jim, or saying that you were asking dumb questions...but it doesn't look good when these questions pertain to a deal that you are already in the middle of...that hasn't been yet resolved...In other words, just because "so and So" on a forum said the snake isn't big enough at 700 grams, to then turn around and confront your seller doesn't reflect well on you Jim. Sorry to have to point that out but it's the truth.

That being said, I would still recommend that you call Tim's bluff and have the animal tested for paramixio. Otherwise we will never know (we are all extremely curious at this point anyway!LoL).
How much would this test cost you anyway? All I've heard so far is that it is expensive.
John Hedger

 

[Wilomn]

Please do get the test done. I am more than a little curious to see if tim is engaging in bio-terrorism, as I think a fatal disease sent purposely to unsuspecting buyer/competitors/taunters of tim's overinflated ego is exactly that, terrible.

I would not be surprised if others tim has done business with, who have not let it be known as yet that they have done business with him, are also waiting anxiously for the news on the exposure of your snake Jim.

If she does have it and it can be proved that he is the sourse for it, well....... just saying it sucks isn't quite strong enough but I'm tired of getting warning points for the way I write and think. Ah, and just as an aside, yes, I would say to anyone in person just what I have written.

Jim, please have that test done.

Wes Pollock

 

[jim scharphorn]

John, you say something like I held the snake so I should have known if it was breedable size, who told you I held the snake ? O ya that was Tim. LOL LOL LOL sorry but I never held it and did not remeber what it looked like. Again I was more interested in the basins seeing I never seen one before. And he had I think 3 or 4 emeralds there and I did not know witch one was witch excpet for one was bigger and I thought that was the one I was being sent, but I did not know for sure because the emeralds did not impress me when the basins were there. its like when you go to a pet store and see abunch of snakes and then they send you one 2 to 3 months later, are you going to remember witch one was witch ? None of the snakes were for sale at the time I was there.

No hard feelings taken and thanks for your opionion

 

[John Hedger]

Wanna go fishing to Minnesota with me? We would love the company.
Tim

Does that above statement by Tim strike anybody as odd?? If Tim disliked Jim so much, why would he invite him on a week long fishing trip? Was he just being polite?

JHedger

 

[jim scharphorn]

And as far as the test, I herd it costs about $150 and I definitly will be having it tested. I think by not testing it would hurt me because even though this animal is in quarenteen who would want to buy any of my babies with out knowing if the snake in question was clean or not.

So now that I am keeping it I will be running the test asap.
And I will post the results when I get them.

 

[jim scharphorn]

Ya John, Tim is my back stabber. he says bad things about me behind my back but invites me to his gathering as well, and sends me a snake with no money down. sounds odd to me as well.

 

[John Hedger]

John, you say something like I held the snake so I should have known if it was breedable size, who told you I held the snake ? O ya that was Tim. LOL LOL LOL sorry but I never held it and did not remeber what it looked like.

Well, perhaps I misunderstood Jim. I assumed that you already had the snake in your possesion at the time you were asking others how big an emerald needs to be to reproduce. I appologise for that, and if Tim was assuring you that it would be big enough by Fall then that is a bit of deception on his part. Still, you have to look at the snake and ask if it was worth what the seller is asking. $600 for an eyspot subadult female(if she is well marked throughout the body) is not unreasonable....(understanding that this was before the virus issue came into the picture) I probably would have kept the female if I liked her and thought she was worth the $600 price. Otherwise Jim, if the breeding thing was of paramount importance, why didn't you tell Tim you wanted to return her within that first week? Did you really want to return the snake, or were you unsure?
John

 

[jim scharphorn]

John, I voiced me findings to Tim when I first got her. 2 days after I got her Tim went on vaction for 2 weeks. so there was no returning or complaining to do. Then basicly after Tim got back with me there was a bunch of pgs. here and Thats about the point were Tim and Bobby started posting away. bobby is still at it at the war room I think he is lonely over there. he is doing a good job at trashing me on it. i should just hire a lawar and see what can be done about it. But bobby is not worth the time of day.He thinks I am scared of him. I would post the link but i do not know if that breaks the rules here.

 

[John Hedger]

Jim,
I wouldn't worry about suing Bobby. I've seen those posts and you've lashed out at him pretty good as well.

Just have the animal tested immediately and then go from there. If you pay Tim $600 up front and the snake tests positive for the virus, then you're probably screwed. If you haven't paid him yet, well you can either pay him or take him to small claims court and have the judge force Tim to take it back I guess...either way it's a sour deal.
...Pay the $150 and get her tested soon!!
JHedger

 

[John Hedger]

Ya John, Tim is my back stabber. he says bad things about me behind my back but invites me to his gathering as well, and sends me a snake with no money down. sounds odd to me as well.

Well I'm a bit confused on the timeline of all this but I also don't think it was very professional of Matt to tell you what Tim said behind your back(Sorry Matt). It soured you on your deal with Tim and fueled the fire. You probably should have held your tongue and politely asked Tim if you could return the snake. Yes, he went on vacation, but if you had emailed him within a day of recieving the snake, then, as a seller, he would likely be obligated to take her back.

John