Need opinions on a bad deal with Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest!!!

[jim scharphorn]

Scott, Weather

Sorry again Tim, Looks like I need to proof read before hitting the button.



Scott, Whether.

 

[ScottsReptiles]

Scott, are suggesting that Matt may have known the animal was sick before Tim sent it to him? If so, is there evidence of this being the case?

Nothing that Matt will ever probably even remotely agree to now. Honestly Darin.. if you tried to purchase a snake.. and the seller kept saying no until you agreed to pay 100% up front and to void the TOS....wouldn't that set off some sort of alarm. There is no way to get a transcript of their conversations.. so.. will just have to leave it at that. Too bad too.. that would clear up alot of things...

 

[jim scharphorn]

Nothing that Matt will ever probably even remotely agree to now. Honestly Darin.. if you tried to purchase a snake.. and the seller kept saying no until you agreed to pay 100% up front and to void the TOS....wouldn't that set off some sort of alarm. There is no way to get a transcript of their conversations.. so.. will just have to leave it at that. Too bad too.. that would clear up alot of things...

So does that mean its ok to send a sick snake ?

 

[ScottsReptiles]

And as far as me and the vet. PLEASE tell me were I can have it checked for the virus, because I hame tired of having to worry about it. And Tim says he got all his checked. I find that hard to believe when I have been trying for over a month with no luck.

Did you try michigan state university.. they do have the leading vet school in the country. Being from Ohio.. can't say I know of many vets in your area. Did you pick up a phone book and start calling? I have a friend that is finishing up her last semesters of vet school.. I can ask her if she knows of someone. I have a great vet that I use.. but.. would have to make a trip to Columbus for that one. Hey.. they are open on saturday's I believe.. come down for a buckeye game.. or bring your camera.. those photography tips are still available if you are interested.

 

[ScottsReptiles]

So does that mean its ok to send a sick snake ?

I've accepted sick animals before... it was a turtle that had sentimental value to me and I wanted her back healthy or not. I paid to have her back. We all have reasons...

 

[Wilomn]

Matt did not void the TOS.

scott you have not answered the question. Do you think it was right, good, OK for tim to ship Matt that snake in that state? The question was not, just to be clear, whether or not YOU have ever accepted an animal you KNEW was not well, it's whether or not it was OK for tim to ship that one particular snake to Matt.

And aren't virology and oncology slightly different fields? Or is your girlfriend a double major and you forgot to mention that part? Is she an expert in reptile viruses and their incubations as well as transmissions? If she is not then what is the relevance of bringing her into this mess?



Oh, and tim, I'm still waiting for your answer to my previous question. Do you plan on answering me? And if not, why not? You are so very vocal about so many nonrelated things, how about getting some vocalization on that answer I'm waiting for.

Wes Pollock

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Nothing that Matt will ever probably even remotely agree to now. Honestly Darin.. if you tried to purchase a snake.. and the seller kept saying no until you agreed to pay 100% up front and to void the TOS....wouldn't that set off some sort of alarm. There is no way to get a transcript of their conversations.. so.. will just have to leave it at that. Too bad too.. that would clear up alot of things...

The TOS of the were not in force for this transaction with Matt were if anything happened to the animal in transit. Not the health of the animal or anything else but if the animal was damaged or killed in transit because of the carrier. The animal was shipped Sick, diseased and injected with fluids to mask the illness and try and make the animal look a little more acceptable. The animal was sent to the Vet right after arriving, was checked and the Vet started running test and such. Through all the different test the diagnosis of the virus was noted. There is no denial that the animal was sent by Tim to Matt in the condition and with the virus. Tim should have immediately refunded the money to Matt for the snake without hesitation. But instead Tim seemed to try and blame the carrier for this animals poor condition.
Another thing I really don't understand (and I don't think anyone else does either) is why you seem to continue to defend Tim. It seems to me that you (as the rest of us) would want to avoid anything to do with him and would not want to be associated at all with him. Maybe you are not associated with him in ways but by you defending him does associate you with him.

 

[The Dark Grove]

Originally posted by jim scharphorn

And as far as me and the vet. PLEASE tell me were I can have it checked for the virus, because I hame tired of having to worry about it. And Tim says he got all his checked. I find that hard to believe when I have been trying for over a month with no luck.



That's an outright lie by Jim.


Here is one of the E-mails I had with him back when he was talking to me and I was helping him get the right contact info from the website provided, which gave a link to Dr. Jacobson who does the test.

quote:

On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 06:46 PM, coolcritters wrote:

Can you get the phone # for me. My Vet said the e-mail they sent him
bounced
back.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph & Tanya Chapman"
To: "coolcritters"
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: # 36


go here and print it up for your vet. The address worked just fine
today so if it is the same one he used then he screwed up on typing it
in.


http://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/sacs/wildlife/Pmyx.html



Have your vet go to the sections he needs and he'll get the phone
number Jim.

What about the rest of the E-mail from tim?


R


From: "coolcritters"
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:08:00 PM US/Pacific
To: "Ralph & Tanya Chapman"
Subject: Re: # 36

I got it now, My vet had a old e-mail addy that they had at the zoo but now
I have the phone #
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com





That was the last I've heard of it. This issue with Matt/Tim is bad enough without it being complicated even more. Hope this post helps a little.




R. Chapman

 

[jim scharphorn]

Boy Ralph Calling me a flat out lier. You of all people that has been one of my backstabers .

Them e-mails are over a month old, And after I found out that our private conversations were being forwarded to Tim and Bobby, to give them fuel to talk bad about me I quit e-mailing you.

And my Vet has contacted the vet that checks for the virus, after I recieved the phone # and after those e-mails we had.
The vet or university in florida said That they are not doing any tests right now because they are training a new person. Now if it is a lie then my Vet lied to me. I can only respond to what my Vet tells me. so how does that make me a lier.
Grow up Ralph and sell someone else a red snake that is orange.

 

[The Dark Grove]

And my Vet has contacted the vet that checks for the virus, after I recieved the phone # and after those e-mails we had.
The vet or university in florida said That they are not doing any tests right now because they are training a new person. Now if it is a lie then my Vet lied to me. I can only respond to what my Vet tells me. so how does that make me a lier.



I'd say you either got bad information or are not telling the truth. My Vet contacted them and Dr. Jacobson's lab DOES do the test. I'll go back to my site now to make you happy but at least people can see some of the truth about you.

 

[Wilomn]

OK guys, I may have missed it so could one of you post the number again and I'll call and see what they have to say about doing the tests and then post that here? Or pm or email it to me.

thanks,
Wes Pollock

 

[jim scharphorn]

What ever Ralph. Why would I lie about something like this ?

I lied one time, to Tim. And that was because I was tired of Bobby calling me and telling me he was going to come over and just walk in my house and take the snake and I did not have to be here for him to do so because he had permission from Tim, LOL And then Tim threatning me every day with e-mails , I got tired of it and lied to Tim, But I did not mean it as a lie. I meant it to make him worry a bit. That was the reason it only lasted for two days because it was meant as a scare tactict.

Now I do know of someone that is a lier and that is you, when you sold me a supposibly red snake that when I recieved it it was orange, But did you here me cry about it ? No, Not until I got slapped in the face for trying to sell it. And i was told it was not red but orange and I was off my rocker.
But hey that was after a month or so.
I have been told I jump the gun on people so I let it slide because it was not worth the hasel I recive for complaining.

But when I did finaly complain about it, I again was shot down because I waited to long to make the complaint.

SO you see I loose no matter what route I take.

Why dont you show your proof of your Virus test done from the snake from Tim.

You again are trying to make me look bad and you backstabed me one to many times.

AGAIN IN PLAIN ENGLISH JUST FOR YOU RALPH. I CAN ONLY RESPOND TO WHAT MY VET HAS TOLD ME. HERE IS THERE # WHY DONT YOU CALL THEM. (Animal clinic) (616) 254-0211 (Kary is the person that did the checking for me and gave all the info I have gave you.

I will be awaiting for your responce after you phone them so that you can finally put me in my place.

 

[jim scharphorn]

The dr. that does the Virus test
Dr. Jackobsons # is 352-392-4700 ext. 5700

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Nothing that Matt will ever probably even remotely agree to now. Honestly Darin.. if you tried to purchase a snake.. and the seller kept saying no until you agreed to pay 100% up front and to void the TOS....wouldn't that set off some sort of alarm. There is no way to get a transcript of their conversations.. so.. will just have to leave it at that. Too bad too.. that would clear up alot of things...

Sorry Scott but that is far from what happened. Tell me something Scott......if you knew the snake I got from your friend Tim tested positive for the Paramyxo virus would you feel comfortable say......brokering the 6' Basin he had for sale on kingsnake. Let me rephrase that one.....did you have anything to do with the sale or did you broker the animal or set up the deal of the $7,000.00 female amazon basin snake that Arboreals of the Rainforest had for sale on kingsnake? Think real hard before you answer. I am sure an I refuse to answer or the like will clear that up for everyone.

Did you know the snake Arboreals of the rainforest sent me was sick?

 

[HerpVenue]

1. Why did you send an obviously sick and dying snake?
2. Why did you give it subq injections to try and mask its ilness?
3. And why on earth did you blame it on the carrier?

Hey guys according to Tim B. The carrier (UPS?), makes a habit out of opening boxes with snakes and injecting the animals. How do I know this?
Because he says it is the carriers fault.

Which means it was the carrier who opened the box containing the snake and started injecting it.




ANYONY who defends Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest is a BAD GUY in my book.

1. Sending sick animals happens all the time. Sometimes on purpose .....sometimes accidentally. get over it.


But what I can't agree with is he tried giving it imjections to mask its illness.....then blames it on the carrier. that part I can't swallow. And it is because of that part that ANYONE defending Tim Bowles is a BAD GUY in my book. When you defend him yo might as well have been there to hold the snake down while he injected it.

 

[ScottsReptiles]

Let me rephrase that one.....did you have anything to do with the sale or did you broker the animal or set up the deal of the $7,000.00 female amazon basin snake that Arboreals of the Rainforest had for sale on kingsnake? Think real hard before you answer. I am sure an I refuse to answer or the like will clear that up for everyone.

OMG.. lol.. are you this dense.. can you not understand my replies. Your are showing how little comprehension you have.. which.. now that I think of it.. you don't have the common sense that I have assummed a normal adult would have.

I am not affiliated with Tim's business at all. I have nothing to do with it. Why would I broker a sale for him. I run my own business (selling gutters, siding, decks, patios, sunrooms, fencing..etc...).

I am not going to answer any questions related to that. I believe I have made that very clear. The fact that you won't stop asking something I have very clearly stated I have nothing to do with and will definately not answer either way just shows the type of person you truely are to me.

From our conversations.. I can say this without hesitation.

You have no ability to comprehend information that is given to you. Based upon this.. I seriously believe that Tim told you this snake was not in the best shape. The snake was being rehydrated. But.. as you have shown from our conversations in this thread.. you do not listen to what others say. I believe people are constant creatures of habit. I would be surprised if your actions as demonstrated in this thread are any different then how you handle all dealings. You hear what you want not what was said. Your own actions have discredited you in my eyes.. and I would surprised if nobody else caught onto this trend you have shown in this thread.

 

[ScottsReptiles]

ANYONY who defends Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest is a BAD GUY in my book.

1. Sending sick animals happens all the time. Sometimes on purpose .....sometimes accidentally. get over it.


And it is because of that part that ANYONE defending Tim Bowles is a BAD GUY in my book. When you defend him yo might as well have been there to hold the snake down while he injected it. [/B]

That is your opinion.. I don't hold that against ya...nor does it bother me.

 

[Rob Hill/Geckos Anonymous]

Okay, so far we still have Tim Bowles not answering any of the questions put to him regarding what this thread is about. Regardless of his deal with Jim(more on that in a bit), or the $7,000 Basin, or if Jimmy JohnJohn took a dump in the planter, this thread is about the deal between TIM BOWLES of ARBOREALS OF THE RAINFOREST and MATT LEHRER of GHI. And it regards a VERY SICK snake that was sent to Matt. A sick snake that had been injected with subcutaneous fluids in what appears a desparate attempt at last minute rehydration before shipping. A sick snake that was proven by a vet to be carrying a HIGHLY communicable disease that has been known to wipe out collections. Not only was the snake shipped in this condition for the OUTRAGEOUS price of $2500, but when it arrived and Matt complained, Tim flat out lied saying that the snake's problems were due to shipper error. I have seen alot of things happen over the years in shipping, but infection of a deadly virus and subcutaneous injections are not anything I have ever seen a shipper do.

So, Tim, where'd you go? You used to be Mr. Johnny On the Spot when it came to scammers on this site, so why hide now? Why did you almost immediately "lawyer up?" Why are you on here now diverting attention onto Jim Scharporn who has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with your deal with MATT LEHRER?

The questions, AGAIN, TIM, ARE:

1. Why did you send an obviously sick and dying snake?
2. Why did you give it subq injections to try and mask its ilness?
3. And why on earth did you blame it on the carrier?

And PS, for Jim and Ralph Chapman, I am sure that your respective vets have alot on their dance cards as is without having to answer questions to both of you over a petty squabble. They simply don't have time nor inclination to play secretary or referree for the two of you, so please do not include these people in your little tiff. I don't know either of you, but I think you are both acting childish and accomplishing nothing.

 

[Rob Hill/Geckos Anonymous]

And PS Jim, there are several arboreal keepers in Ohio(that's where you are, right?). You may want to try contacting one or two of them to see who they are using.

You could try posting on Chondroweb to see if maybe someone there can help you find a vet in your area.

Anyway, nuff' said from me on this thread. I feel dirty.

 

[Randy Bennett]

Sick New Locale

Boy. Go out of town for a few days.
FACT:Tim "P" Bowles sent Matt an emerald in a too small container with a "respiratory" condition, and a messed up mouth.Matt had to send it back.
FACT:Tim "P" Bowles sent Matt
another deathly ill snake injected
with sq.fluids, flaccid limp body, depressed rostral scales, ect.Matt imediatly
tried to send it back.Tim "P"
Bowles refuses to accept it,
and says that it is U.P.S."s
fault,keeps the $2500, and calls Matt names.
FACT:The snake continues to decline, and after blood tests are run,the snake is
diagnosed with Paramyxo Virus,a very deadly and contageous disease that can
and has wiped out whole
collections.
FACT:Tim "P" Bowles continues
to advertise and sell animals
out of his collection on a regular basis.
Tim "P" Bowles has now made his appearance back on this
forum, and after reading his
posts,I have come to the conclusion that he is ACTUALLY ENJOYING THIS AND ALL THE TROUBLE HE HAS CAUSED!I believe he actually
thought he was pulling a great JOKE on Matt and was probably laughing all the way
to the bank!I personally don't understand people like this, and never will,but anyone that buys animals from him, and people that defend
him should realize they are being played by Tim "P" and his sick sense of humour.I for one hope he is finished
in this hobby/business.Anyone
that uses a living animal in this manner is disgusting.
Oh Yea.These are my opinions, and my opinions only.Everyone else can make up their own minds!