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I apparetly have some bad feedback too lol. I'd go read it if I cared. I'll wear it like a badge. Keep em coming! :) It fits nicely with my warning points that I earned from not bowing down and actually having the gall to question the ethics of "respected breeders"
 
I can't believe this thread. Why is the thread starter made out to be the bad guy here?

Jim O said:
That is until a previously docile (I hate to use the word "tame" to describe a wild animal) 5 foot carpet python decided to wrap his neck. He was unable to remove the snake before he started to "see stars"
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How in the he!! can you compare a carpet python to a venomous animal? If a man can't remove a 5' carpet from his neck, then he must be a dwarf or missing an arm among other things.

I can name a lot of species of snakes that have been documented to kill humans and a carpet python is certainly not on that list.

Knock, Knock for those of you who refuse to see what is clearly pictured:
They FREE HANDLED HOTS a few feet from a ton of people, even letting kids touch them and all you people can do is harp on a 16 y/o reposting the pics from their website. If they posted it on the WWW, then it's fair game.

C'mon guys, you can't have it both ways. Either you condone it or you don't. Get off the fence and form a real opinion.

Oh yeah, those were voids. I bet every single one of you would trust yourself or your child's life with that knowledge. Oh yeah, I forgot someone said "you won't die from a venomous snake bite", but I bet you would wish you were dead. Not to mention all the negative media attention it would garner. I wonder how long a gaboon viper or a cobra's fangs are? Hmmmm I bet a scrub python packs more of a wallop, yeah right.

Why is it when "Joe Blow" posts "Rattlesnakes Make Great Bracelets" with a picture of him freehandling a rattlesnake, people flip and condemn him. But when a big-time breeder (FYI: The dude with the long hair holding most of the snakes is Kevin) posts pictures of himself FREE HANDLING HOT SNAKESwithin feet of children, and no one flinches?

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68798&highlight=bracelet
This is the thread where 18 people thought that someone freehandling hots is a "freehandling f-tard". So which is it? Is Kevin a "freehandling F-tard" or not?

Heck some of those same people who reamed the other freehandling idiot are now condoning the freehandling of hots right here. And furthermore what was done at NERD's shop by the owner of NERD is worse than someone home alone holding their rattlesnake. These people made it look like it's okay to take your cobra out and play with it.
 
without knowing what the pictures were
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I knew right away what they were and had no doubt in my mind, at first I was speachless becausE I had the UPMOST respect for NERD but it was very obvious in the photos that they were legit, seeing a piece on the store settled that in my mind.
 
Rebel Dragons said:
Still have yet to see anyone saying they support what was going on in the pictures. Let's keep rolling on in the thread shall we?
WHERE DID ANYONE SAY IT WAS ACCEPTABLE????
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WHERE DID ANYONE SAY THEY WERE "FREEHANDLING F-TARDS?" If it were anyone but NERD, you people would be all over it like flies on poo.
 
JuliusSqueezer said:
I appologize for not responding to this several pages back when it was posted. I was busy elsewhere and got behind. I am aware of how little it takes to cut off carotid bloodflow. I'm also aware of how little effort it takes for a below average strength human being to simply reach back and unwind a 5 foot carpet python.
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In the case of carotid sinus hypersensitivity syncope can occur in seconds, long before you have a chance to respond.

Look at this for a pretty impressive report http://www.users.interport.net/w/s/wsc1/www.westsubcardiology.com/pages/ep/csm.htm. More info at http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic299.htm. Suffice it to say that even minor carotid pressure can result in loss of consciousness in susceptible individuals. Once unconscious, it is a bit difficult to remove a snake from a neck. If the snake were so inclined, it could maintain pressure and the result would be death.
 
Karen Hulvey said:
Heck some of those same people who reamed the other freehandling idiot are now condoning the freehandling of hots right here. And furthermore what was done at NERD's shop by the owner of NERD is worse than someone home alone holding their rattlesnake. These people made it look like it's okay to take your cobra out and play with it.
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Karen, show me where anyone condoned what the pictures show? One quote, please, where it says anything to the effect that "this was OK".
 
I am sorry Jim O, I don't see it being any bit common, I have had plenty of snake wrap around my neck some of those were a 7ft Guyana red tail, 6ft Red tailed ratsnake, and a few others. If you can't get a 5ft carpet off you neck stay outta snakes. Karen you hit this so HARD on the nail its not even funny.
 
Hey Dr Jim. You are preaching to the choir. My dad has that problem. He has had his carotid arteries worked on several times. He doesn't keep snakes. If he did, I would advise him not to put a 5 foot carpet python around his neck. Like I said, if you can't get a 5 foot carpet python off you, you have no buisness keeping reptiles or at least not putting them around your neck...but these rare cases certainly don't reflect on everyone who has snakes.
 
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Hey Dr Jim. You are preaching to the choir. My dad has that problem. He has had his carotid arteries worked on several times. He doesn't keep snakes. If he did, I would advise him not to put a 5 foot carpet python around his neck. Like I said, if you can't get a 5 foot carpet python off you, you have no buisness keeping reptiles or at least not putting them around your neck...but these rare cases certainly don't reflect on everyone who has snakes.
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Great point that Jim doesn't seem to get.

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JuliusSqueezer said:
Hey Dr Jim. You are preaching to the choir. My dad has that problem. He has had his carotid arteries worked on several times. He doesn't keep snakes. If he did, I would advise him not to put a 5 foot carpet python around his neck. Like I said, if you can't get a 5 foot carpet python off you, you have no buisness keeping reptiles or at least not putting them around your neck...but these rare cases certainly don't reflect on everyone who has snakes.
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That is a good point. My point is many people who seem healthy have it and do not know it. I would hate for the initial presentation of it to be death by a Boa or Python, irrespective of the size. It's a risk and it's one commonly seen at reptile shows and the like. And that is why I pointed it out.
 
Jim O said:
Karen, show me where anyone condoned what the pictures show? One quote, please, where it says anything to the effect that "this was OK".
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You condone it by not condeming it.
 
Karen Hulvey said:
You condone it by not condeming it.
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So everyone who has viewed this thread or participated in any way and not condemned it as forcefully as you would like has condoned it? Or am I held to an especially high standard in that regard?

Eh...it's no matter. Please read the following, all from different posts that I have made in this thread and explain again please how I have "condoned" it.
Jim O said:
I am not happy with what I see in the pictures either
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As I said earlier, I am indeed disturbed by the pictures. And I agree with a lot of what Gary said.
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Like I said earlier, I was somewhat disturbed by the content
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JuliusSqueezer said:
And about context....this has really been eating at me. Under what conceivable context would photos of children petting cobras be acceptable
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None at all. I have said from the get go that the pictures were disturbing.
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IL_Duca said:
Though not having all the proof in the beginning its pretty clear that he is right...NERD was showing the Voids...how is that not supporting it? And they are definately playing with them. From the pics all you see is them acting like they are playing with a worm snake. The only thing he truly had anything to apologize for is posting without all the facts from the start. From where he got it all though...they knew kevin was in the pictures and the context of where it came from...
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Very true!!
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crazycorn said:
I would like to know how NERD can guarantee that all the snakes are voids if they were rescues?
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That is a good question and one to which I would like an answer. Perhaps the best point made in this entire thread.
 
Jim O said:
So everyone who has viewed this thread or participated in any way and not condemned it as forcefully as you would like has condoned it? Or am I held to an especially high standard in that regard?
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No actually low standards. Typical for a bottom feeder like yourself..
 
bcfos said:
No actually low standards. Typical for a bottom feeder like yourself..
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What a witty comeback. You must be a member of Mensa.
 
Jim O said:
I don't belong to clubs that would have me.
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Don't see any breaking down your doors. And Mensa sure wouldn't have someone with a 63 IQ such as yours.
 
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