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Jamal Cole
I agree, your out of over $1,000 at the moment and that isnt extacly cheap.
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Bad Guy New England Aquatics...Troy, Chris, and Kelly!
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I agree, your out of over $1,000 at the moment and that isnt extacly cheap.
monitorboy3199
Jamal Cole
[QUOTENot to be picky or anything...but I'm a HER, not a him...LOL ][/QUOTE]
Sorry for calling you a him. Meant to post that in the response above this, hit submit to fast.
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Sorry for calling you a him. Meant to post that in the response above this, hit submit to fast.
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TripleMoonsExotic
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While I have no dog in the fight (especially in regards to bearded dragons), I do know genetics. 
The heterozygous of a Co-Dominant (Leatherback) bred to a genetically Normal animal will not produce all babies that carry (express) the Co-Dominant gene.
I would like to suggest that descriptions such as "Leatherback Siblings" not be used (based on this description of Leatherbacks, it sounds more like it's Incomplete Dominant then Co-Dominant) because they are genetically nothing but normals. It just confuses those who don't understand genetics and can cause unneeded aggravation on instances such as this. The same was done in Ball Pythons for quite some time and I believe the practice has been successfully discouraged.
The heterozygous of a Co-Dominant (Leatherback) bred to a genetically Normal animal will not produce all babies that carry (express) the Co-Dominant gene.I would like to suggest that descriptions such as "Leatherback Siblings" not be used (based on this description of Leatherbacks, it sounds more like it's Incomplete Dominant then Co-Dominant) because they are genetically nothing but normals. It just confuses those who don't understand genetics and can cause unneeded aggravation on instances such as this. The same was done in Ball Pythons for quite some time and I believe the practice has been successfully discouraged.
Valley Dragons
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A leatherback bred to a normally scaled dragon will produce about 50% leatherbacks, and 50% normally scaled dragons. The normally scaled dragons are usually referred to as "leatherback siblings". It is a way to set apart the leatherbacks from their rough-scaled siblings while still explaining the parentage of the dragons.
Jamie
SnakeEyesExotics
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Let me start by saying that I have been to Jamie's home on a number of occasions and all her animals have always been healthy, clean, and well taken care of. She genuinely cares about the animals she provides for and the babies they produce. She has always strived to provide excellent customer service and advice on the animals that she sells. I have also purchased from her several times and done countless trades. The transactions and animals were always flawless. I wish the industry would consist of more people like her. I am proud to call her a true friend and would recommend her to anyone anyday.
Now, on to the matter at hand. This whole ordeal has been going on for over a month. She was contacted on 6/7 about the ad, shipped the dragons on 6/8, waited on payment for over two weeks without an update or anything, then finally had to contact the company herself. Then, when she finally did receive the check almost a month later, the money was no good! She has been a lot more patient than most people would have been.
New England Aquatics has really dropped the ball when it comes to communication, responsibility, and good business practices. Jamie sent you a nice group of quality dragons and deserves better than a runaround with bs checks. You were able to sell all or most of the dragons, and have probably made a nice profit off of her dragons. Now have some balls and show some responsibility by sending Jamie her hard earned (legitimate) money!
Now, Miss Frenette, you are in the wrong and you know it. Your story has changed so much through this whole ordeal that I don't even know which part to believe!
First you stated that you help out at the shop:
"by Kelcifer on Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:18 am
oh i completely agree with you its just the shop that i help out with ordered a whole sale lot of 75 dragons. that was nuts having all those babies at once.... but i took a couple the shop held on to a few for themselves personally and saved a few to sell. the rest went to other shops looking for beardies. but they have one that i should have taken and its turning into a leucstic. i was mad about the 60 baby dragons in one sac and 15 bigger dragon in the other in a tiny box."
Then you proceed to say:
"im not part of the shop at all. its their business and money. i paid for the 12 dragons that went in for on the deal. i only bought that lot thinking i might keep a couple. i gave chris my cash and that was that. i dont know what they did with the money or who it went to. i told them it was a bad idea to get all those dragons at once. i told them to start with a small 5 or 10 lot. but they didnt and figured to get them all. i paid for the 12 that i took and the rest was up to them. i told them to send them back but they had buyers already so they kept the live ones. i lost three of my twelve. i just happend to buy the wrong dragons from the wrong breeder. i wont make that mistake again. oh did i mention that jamie never asked where the dragons were going? or ask if the shop had experiance with dragons at all? after seeing how small they were and in the condition they were in, i ended up taking a few of the smallest ones since i knew they would die if they stayed at the shop and by doing that i lost out. as for asking about the bloodlines of the dragons, i had a breeder intersted in taking one but wanted to know what the lines were, so i asked jamie. the shop and i are two differant playing fields. im independant from the shop as i've told jamie countless times. i paid for dragons that were small and looked young and a few died. the shops dragons arent mine and its their problem not mine. "
So which is it? Are you associated with the store or are you not?
Then, what is the whole deal with a 3-day guarantee? Jamie's ad clearly stated that she guaranteed live, healthy arrival. She never said that she guaranteed anything beyond that on wholesale. You also stated in this paragraph that the store probably did not have dragon experience. Then you wonder why a week later, some of the dragons supposedly died "from reasons unknown". "Reasons unknown" meaning we didn't know what the heck we were doing and didn't care for these dragons properly. I mean, who in their right mind would order 75 baby dragons if they had little to no prior experience?! That is pretty much asking for failure! And then you have the nerve to blame your incompetence on the breeder! It's not her fault that you/the pet store/whoever didn't know what you were doing.
"RE: leatherback
From: Cat DemonX ([email protected])
Sent: Thu 7/02/09 6:04 PM
To: [email protected]
they dragons you sent were extreamly small. You only guarenteed them three days after shipping.
not a week later a few of them died for reasons unkown. I wanted to know
if anyone else has delt with you in the past and what they
thought and if they had problems. on top of
which the shop that bought these tiny dragons was new and i dont believe they had dragon expeirance. I posted trying to figure out what
kind of business you ran and if the shop should
continue to do business with you. However since
almost a dozen dragons died i dont think we will. It was foolish of them to buy that many at once. Especially ones that tiny.
sorry about not coming to you first but i wanted to find out what kind of business i was dealing with. Besides that i dont remember anyone saying anything rude about your business."
Troy was the one that contacted Jamie in the first place about the dragons. He is the one that stated that he was satisfied with the dragons and was issuing a check. So who are you to step in and contradict that? Who are you to go on a public forum and talk bad about her dragons when it is not even her fault? Jamie cannot be held responsible for what happens to the dragons once they are out of her care. The DOA's are one thing and she covered those, but the babies that died later on were due to your incompetence and your incompetence alone. I have seen her babies and they have always been flawless and I am sure the ones she sent you were no exception.
And by the way, none of the dragons were supposedly leatherback. She clearly stated in the ad that they were leatherback siblings. Let me spell that out for you... l-e-a-t-h-e-r-b-a-c-k s-i-b-l-i-n-g-s, meaning they are the normal siblings out of a leatherback clutch. Leatherback is a codominant trait, so only half of the clutch would be leatherbacks. You've gotta be nuts to think that she would sell you leatherbacks for $18 each! So what happened, were you trying to sell the dragons you got as leatherbacks? And then when you realized you just had normals it made you mad? Well, I have a solution - - - do some research! Learn basic genetics! Maybe then you won't end up looking like a complete moron on a public forum!
Why would Jamie have to use heat packs in June? Do you really want a whole box of cooked dragons?
"just wondering why you would ship 60 tiny dragons in one sac all mixed together unmarked, no heat packs, in a box that was 12x9x7 with 15 larger babies crammed on top? the fact that you emailed me to gloat that you posted me on BOI shows what a scam you are. your in it for the money. as i've told you before im not dealing with you anymore, chris and troy are a sperate matter from me. I want quality over quantity and your dragons werent quality. "
Who's a scam here? Jamie sent you guys 75 healthy, quality dragons. It has been over a month and she has yet to receive her payment for these dragons. In the meantime, you have sold them and padded your pockets with the profit. Jamie has not received a dime from you for her dragons. So, tell me, who is in it for the money? Who got 75 dragons free of charge and sold them for profit? That is stealing, so technically every dragon you sold is stolen property!
No, she gets offended by people like you that crouch behind their computer screen and talk crap about her business and stretch the truth when they don't have any common sense. The whole reason she even posted on the BOI is because of the bounced check. She felt that she should post her entire experience with the company and anything associated with it (you). And let me tell you, you wont be in this business for long if you don't seriously revise your business practices!
"so let me get this strait, you get offended by what other people have to say about you? Well you're in the wrong business pal. So if someone wants to know something about a breeder by asking others what they think its wrong? this all started because i asked if anyone ever delt with you. sorry wholesale buyers and millers dont count i want to know what individual people have to say. its apperant that you cant handle what they say or else you wouldnt have felt threatened enough to post on the BOI. Whatever floats your boat i guess. I figured when the last email i sent you stated that i wouldnt be doing any business with you again that im done and to have a nice night would have left it at that. but apperantly you feel the need to get the last word in and when i ignored your last email, you got pissed enough to come here. Karma will bite you in the ass. i can post pictures of the dead dragon a how big it was if you like. "
I have stated my point, take it for what it is.
Getting off my soap box now...
Thanks,
Anya Makashova
Snake Eyes Exotics
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
Now, on to the matter at hand. This whole ordeal has been going on for over a month. She was contacted on 6/7 about the ad, shipped the dragons on 6/8, waited on payment for over two weeks without an update or anything, then finally had to contact the company herself. Then, when she finally did receive the check almost a month later, the money was no good! She has been a lot more patient than most people would have been.
New England Aquatics has really dropped the ball when it comes to communication, responsibility, and good business practices. Jamie sent you a nice group of quality dragons and deserves better than a runaround with bs checks. You were able to sell all or most of the dragons, and have probably made a nice profit off of her dragons. Now have some balls and show some responsibility by sending Jamie her hard earned (legitimate) money!
Now, Miss Frenette, you are in the wrong and you know it. Your story has changed so much through this whole ordeal that I don't even know which part to believe!
First you stated that you help out at the shop:
"by Kelcifer on Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:18 am
oh i completely agree with you its just the shop that i help out with ordered a whole sale lot of 75 dragons. that was nuts having all those babies at once.... but i took a couple the shop held on to a few for themselves personally and saved a few to sell. the rest went to other shops looking for beardies. but they have one that i should have taken and its turning into a leucstic. i was mad about the 60 baby dragons in one sac and 15 bigger dragon in the other in a tiny box."
Then you proceed to say:
"im not part of the shop at all. its their business and money. i paid for the 12 dragons that went in for on the deal. i only bought that lot thinking i might keep a couple. i gave chris my cash and that was that. i dont know what they did with the money or who it went to. i told them it was a bad idea to get all those dragons at once. i told them to start with a small 5 or 10 lot. but they didnt and figured to get them all. i paid for the 12 that i took and the rest was up to them. i told them to send them back but they had buyers already so they kept the live ones. i lost three of my twelve. i just happend to buy the wrong dragons from the wrong breeder. i wont make that mistake again. oh did i mention that jamie never asked where the dragons were going? or ask if the shop had experiance with dragons at all? after seeing how small they were and in the condition they were in, i ended up taking a few of the smallest ones since i knew they would die if they stayed at the shop and by doing that i lost out. as for asking about the bloodlines of the dragons, i had a breeder intersted in taking one but wanted to know what the lines were, so i asked jamie. the shop and i are two differant playing fields. im independant from the shop as i've told jamie countless times. i paid for dragons that were small and looked young and a few died. the shops dragons arent mine and its their problem not mine. "
So which is it? Are you associated with the store or are you not?
Then, what is the whole deal with a 3-day guarantee? Jamie's ad clearly stated that she guaranteed live, healthy arrival. She never said that she guaranteed anything beyond that on wholesale. You also stated in this paragraph that the store probably did not have dragon experience. Then you wonder why a week later, some of the dragons supposedly died "from reasons unknown". "Reasons unknown" meaning we didn't know what the heck we were doing and didn't care for these dragons properly. I mean, who in their right mind would order 75 baby dragons if they had little to no prior experience?! That is pretty much asking for failure! And then you have the nerve to blame your incompetence on the breeder! It's not her fault that you/the pet store/whoever didn't know what you were doing.
"RE: leatherback
From: Cat DemonX ([email protected])
Sent: Thu 7/02/09 6:04 PM
To: [email protected]
they dragons you sent were extreamly small. You only guarenteed them three days after shipping.
not a week later a few of them died for reasons unkown. I wanted to know
if anyone else has delt with you in the past and what they
thought and if they had problems. on top of
which the shop that bought these tiny dragons was new and i dont believe they had dragon expeirance. I posted trying to figure out what
kind of business you ran and if the shop should
continue to do business with you. However since
almost a dozen dragons died i dont think we will. It was foolish of them to buy that many at once. Especially ones that tiny.
sorry about not coming to you first but i wanted to find out what kind of business i was dealing with. Besides that i dont remember anyone saying anything rude about your business."
Troy was the one that contacted Jamie in the first place about the dragons. He is the one that stated that he was satisfied with the dragons and was issuing a check. So who are you to step in and contradict that? Who are you to go on a public forum and talk bad about her dragons when it is not even her fault? Jamie cannot be held responsible for what happens to the dragons once they are out of her care. The DOA's are one thing and she covered those, but the babies that died later on were due to your incompetence and your incompetence alone. I have seen her babies and they have always been flawless and I am sure the ones she sent you were no exception.
And by the way, none of the dragons were supposedly leatherback. She clearly stated in the ad that they were leatherback siblings. Let me spell that out for you... l-e-a-t-h-e-r-b-a-c-k s-i-b-l-i-n-g-s, meaning they are the normal siblings out of a leatherback clutch. Leatherback is a codominant trait, so only half of the clutch would be leatherbacks. You've gotta be nuts to think that she would sell you leatherbacks for $18 each! So what happened, were you trying to sell the dragons you got as leatherbacks? And then when you realized you just had normals it made you mad? Well, I have a solution - - - do some research! Learn basic genetics! Maybe then you won't end up looking like a complete moron on a public forum!
Why would Jamie have to use heat packs in June? Do you really want a whole box of cooked dragons?
"just wondering why you would ship 60 tiny dragons in one sac all mixed together unmarked, no heat packs, in a box that was 12x9x7 with 15 larger babies crammed on top? the fact that you emailed me to gloat that you posted me on BOI shows what a scam you are. your in it for the money. as i've told you before im not dealing with you anymore, chris and troy are a sperate matter from me. I want quality over quantity and your dragons werent quality. "
Who's a scam here? Jamie sent you guys 75 healthy, quality dragons. It has been over a month and she has yet to receive her payment for these dragons. In the meantime, you have sold them and padded your pockets with the profit. Jamie has not received a dime from you for her dragons. So, tell me, who is in it for the money? Who got 75 dragons free of charge and sold them for profit? That is stealing, so technically every dragon you sold is stolen property!
No, she gets offended by people like you that crouch behind their computer screen and talk crap about her business and stretch the truth when they don't have any common sense. The whole reason she even posted on the BOI is because of the bounced check. She felt that she should post her entire experience with the company and anything associated with it (you). And let me tell you, you wont be in this business for long if you don't seriously revise your business practices!
"so let me get this strait, you get offended by what other people have to say about you? Well you're in the wrong business pal. So if someone wants to know something about a breeder by asking others what they think its wrong? this all started because i asked if anyone ever delt with you. sorry wholesale buyers and millers dont count i want to know what individual people have to say. its apperant that you cant handle what they say or else you wouldnt have felt threatened enough to post on the BOI. Whatever floats your boat i guess. I figured when the last email i sent you stated that i wouldnt be doing any business with you again that im done and to have a nice night would have left it at that. but apperantly you feel the need to get the last word in and when i ignored your last email, you got pissed enough to come here. Karma will bite you in the ass. i can post pictures of the dead dragon a how big it was if you like. "
I have stated my point, take it for what it is.
Getting off my soap box now...
Thanks,
Anya Makashova
Snake Eyes Exotics
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
monitorboy3199
Jamal Cole
Well said Anya, Jamie is there any legal action you can take? Cause this doesnt seem right, over a month and you dont have your money but there profit in there pocket? That just isn't right at all.
-Jamal Cole
-Jamal Cole
crix-n-wiggles
New member
I feel that I must speak up here. I have dealt with Jamie for a few years now and have never had a bad experience with her. I bought a wholesale lot from her earlier this year and they arrived well packaged in great shape. Appearently these people think they are going to get holdback quality dragons for $18. Surprise that is not the way it works. It seems to me that Jamie has held up her end of the deal here reducing the price by the amount of dragons they say they lost even though she wasn't contacted about them in a timely manner. It is time for these people to pay up.
Mike Stites
Crix-n-Wiggles LLC
Mike Stites
Crix-n-Wiggles LLC
SnakeEyesExotics
New member
I agree with you Mike. I think they got more than their money's worth from Jamie and she has not received anything but a headache from them. That is also a valid point about her taking the loss on the DOA's after them not notifying her in a timely fashion. I wouldn't have given them the credit after that long since it was their responsibility to notify her of any DOA's upon receiving the package.
Anya Makashova
Snake Eyes Exotics
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
Anya Makashova
Snake Eyes Exotics
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
bayoucityboas
New member
Kelly F.
You keep stating that all you did was inquiry about a breeder when in actuallity that is not all you did. your first questions was has anyone dealt with them but just a matter of a few post later you go into how they shipped incorrectly bagged wrong, and didn't use a heat pack. HEAT pack what is the temp where your at.
So yes you did slander. Then you are also mad that some of your twelve died but planly stated you picked the smallest ones. well out of 60 and you picked the smallest ones yep some of those may die. You also stated that the pet shop should do only a 5 to 10 lot for there first purchase well what kind of experience do they have that is not saying much there.
Jamie what about filing with your bank on the bounced check?
You keep stating that all you did was inquiry about a breeder when in actuallity that is not all you did. your first questions was has anyone dealt with them but just a matter of a few post later you go into how they shipped incorrectly bagged wrong, and didn't use a heat pack. HEAT pack what is the temp where your at.
So yes you did slander. Then you are also mad that some of your twelve died but planly stated you picked the smallest ones. well out of 60 and you picked the smallest ones yep some of those may die. You also stated that the pet shop should do only a 5 to 10 lot for there first purchase well what kind of experience do they have that is not saying much there.
Jamie what about filing with your bank on the bounced check?
bayoucityboas
New member
One more thing like stated before on a codom gene half litter was leatherback
the others are just normals. So I agree that is a bit missleading.
I am more in the boa morph world and when we have a codom mating
we simply state example hypo x normal. half hypo litter half normals.
the others are just normals. So I agree that is a bit missleading.
I am more in the boa morph world and when we have a codom mating
we simply state example hypo x normal. half hypo litter half normals.
Valley Dragons
New member
I am not having any luck getting these people to communicate with me. My guess is that they got in WAY over their heads, and are perhaps having trouble paying more people than just me.
I emailed Troy again, and this time stated that I would be willing to work with him on a payment plan or a trade that would be equal to what he owes me (although I would need LOTS of info and pics for a trade to be done...).
I contacted my bank, and I am pretty much SOL. And bringing a lawsuit against such a small amount of money is just not going to happen.
Jamie
I emailed Troy again, and this time stated that I would be willing to work with him on a payment plan or a trade that would be equal to what he owes me (although I would need LOTS of info and pics for a trade to be done...).
I contacted my bank, and I am pretty much SOL. And bringing a lawsuit against such a small amount of money is just not going to happen.
Jamie
Valley Dragons
New member
I definitely did not mean for this to be misleading. I have seen so many others call their normal siblings to a leatherback this...I did not even consider that it would confuse someone. I guess the bottom line is that the person who actually BOUGHT the dragons was not confused...KELLY is the one confused. And since she is now stating that she has no connection with this store...then it does not really matter what she thinks.
Jamie
KNOBTAIL
LORD OF THE FLIES
Jami,
you sold your soul when you thought the sale would not be consummated until you shipped open account to people whom you did not even know... Forget the fact that they are a store or a company or an individual. The sale is based on the payment not on the hopes of a payment...
Consider litigation.. As a possible remedy. As you can see, you have no TOS and the complaints from the buyers cannot be verified because they apparently did not care nor have the courtesy of notifying you about any problem... Had they paid, then you bet , had there been a problem, you would have been the first to know about it...
Do yourself a favor, before you advertise, know what you are doing ! It will save yourself allot of heartache and you may even save some money..
you sold your soul when you thought the sale would not be consummated until you shipped open account to people whom you did not even know... Forget the fact that they are a store or a company or an individual. The sale is based on the payment not on the hopes of a payment...
Consider litigation.. As a possible remedy. As you can see, you have no TOS and the complaints from the buyers cannot be verified because they apparently did not care nor have the courtesy of notifying you about any problem... Had they paid, then you bet , had there been a problem, you would have been the first to know about it...
Do yourself a favor, before you advertise, know what you are doing ! It will save yourself allot of heartache and you may even save some money..
Valley Dragons
New member
This was a hard-learned lesson, and we will be making the appropriate changes to our TOS. I guess we have just been pretty lucky with people up until now.
Jamie
Jamie
Valley Dragons
New member
I was contacted by Troy this morning, and we are working toward a resolution. I will be sure and let you all know how it turns out.
Jamie
Jamie
KNOBTAIL
LORD OF THE FLIES
What I would do
is advise these people that you will notify the Attorney Generals office in there state on the bad check... If the monies were not in the account when the check was actually written, then its fraud. This can be verified very easily. I would also contact the police dept in that town and find out what your rights are in relation to this...
There is nothing to resolve, as they are stalling for time... You have proof of shipment, and you have proof of payment. There is no need to accept less then what they sent you for the transaction to be completed... The fact that the check bounced, is an entirely separate matter and that should be your focal point...
is advise these people that you will notify the Attorney Generals office in there state on the bad check... If the monies were not in the account when the check was actually written, then its fraud. This can be verified very easily. I would also contact the police dept in that town and find out what your rights are in relation to this...
There is nothing to resolve, as they are stalling for time... You have proof of shipment, and you have proof of payment. There is no need to accept less then what they sent you for the transaction to be completed... The fact that the check bounced, is an entirely separate matter and that should be your focal point...
spyder79
www.crypticdragons.com
i agree entirely with jerry. you cant be nice in this situation. as a business you would never write a bad check because you should always have the account with the amount of money needed to cover your business related bills. i garuntee they purposely wrote the bad check just to placate you. and have been avoiding you. the only reason you got any contact from them was because there little advocate that posted on bd.org more than likely told them that they should. oh wait she is not associated with them right. anyway i would do everything i could to stick it to them. they STOLE from you. not only did they steal from you but i bet they made one hell of a profit doing it. there is no excuse for this nor should there be negotiations. they were happy with their product per your conversation with the actual company. well then they need to pay for it. and they need to pay for it now. You can also contact the city where their business is located and file a complaint against their business license due to the bounced check. Trust me the city will jump on them about it as that is what they do.
Hawk7
New member
Jamie, sorry, you have been wronged.
I agree with Jerry & Spyder79 and would add this: Writing a check that "bounces" for insufficient funds is not just fraud, it is a crime. (Note: fraud can be civil or criminal, or both-- Fraud is a misrepresentation of a material fact & that fact is relied on to the detriment of the person misrepresented to).
Each State is a little different. Mostly, you send a one time certified letter notifying the "Check Bouncer" that check number such-and-such was returned for insufficient funds. It is enough to mail it to the address on the check itself. If they do not pick up the certified letter, it is still good enough when you get the letter returned or if they do pick up, then the return receipt.
With that and the bounced check, you should be able to sear out a warrant. Contact their local D.A.s office-- in the County they reside-- as for "Bad check division or equivalent-- as they can tell you how you go about swearing out the warrant (and if their steps/procedure differs from my rendition above) without you having to go there physically & swear out the warrant. Good Luck!
Chris
I agree with Jerry & Spyder79 and would add this: Writing a check that "bounces" for insufficient funds is not just fraud, it is a crime. (Note: fraud can be civil or criminal, or both-- Fraud is a misrepresentation of a material fact & that fact is relied on to the detriment of the person misrepresented to).
Each State is a little different. Mostly, you send a one time certified letter notifying the "Check Bouncer" that check number such-and-such was returned for insufficient funds. It is enough to mail it to the address on the check itself. If they do not pick up the certified letter, it is still good enough when you get the letter returned or if they do pick up, then the return receipt.
With that and the bounced check, you should be able to sear out a warrant. Contact their local D.A.s office-- in the County they reside-- as for "Bad check division or equivalent-- as they can tell you how you go about swearing out the warrant (and if their steps/procedure differs from my rendition above) without you having to go there physically & swear out the warrant. Good Luck!
Chris
Hawk7
New member
And I would add that you can add your insufficient fund charges up to a certain amount-- each State is different-- ask that as well as whatever your bank charged you.
Valley Dragons
New member
We are in the process of filing everything that we need to prosecute them. I'm not real impressed with the communication that I have received from them.
Jamie
Jamie