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New Rack Prototype

Art Klass

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This is a smaller version of the racks I plan to market. The tubs measure approx. 9" x 13" and are the smallest of three sizes that I will be using. The tubs are on drawer slides for easy access and pull out for cleaning and sterilization. The full size units will be on locking casters to move them about because these will have some weight to them. Anyway, I just wanted to throw this out there and see what you guys think.

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Very nice, Art.
Is there a purpose to the extra height on top - or just aesthetics?
The drawer slides look like a nice feature, but in a way it seems like extra weight (I'm used to just putting my tubs on a shelf, though, so don't go by me).
 
I think it looks great; but the more I look at it, the more all that wood on the top seems opposite what I would do (I'm not saying I have good taste, mind you, just the way it strikes me)
I would be more inclined to have the top piece at the bottom, (and the less height on the new top)...or, keep the bottom as is, and shorten the top a bit (ie, at either of these levels)
 

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hhmoore said:
Very nice, Art.
Is there a purpose to the extra height on top - or just aesthetics?
The drawer slides look like a nice feature, but in a way it seems like extra weight (I'm used to just putting my tubs on a shelf, though, so don't go by me).
Thanks, H. The top is just for looks. Keep in mind that this is a mini version of a larger rack. The top and bottom are to scale but it only has six tubs which makes it appear top heavy. The full size units will be more proportional. This one is my build it, figure things out and take it for a test drive first rack.

Sorry about the pic links. I couldn't get it to work properly for the life of me.
 
hhmoore said:
I think it looks great; but the more I look at it, the more all that wood on the top seems opposite what I would do (I'm not saying I have good taste, mind you, just the way it strikes me)
I would be more inclined to have the top piece at the bottom, (and the less height on the new top)...or, keep the bottom as is, and shorten the top a bit (ie, at either of these levels)
I hear what you are saying. I wanted to put crown up top but that wouldn't look right unless it was at least 7' tall, which is not going to happen. I like a chunky look.... maybe I built it upside down. LOL
 
Art Klass said:
Keep in mind that this is a mini version of a larger rack. The top and bottom are to scale but it only has six tubs which makes it appear top heavy. The full size units will be more proportional.
Gotcha. I wasn't considering it as a mini (it already looks big, lol)
 
Art Klass said:
maybe I built it upside down. LOL
Looks a little distorted, and I don't have Photoshop (or any other means to put the shelves in a different place)
 

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Art you are showing off you skills again! From what I have noticed, the cages and racks you have put together, it seems you use a darker wood/stain. Which I personally like, it just has a personality that is not around with lighter color cages.

It also masks dirt, I have white PVC cages and I wish I had gone with black. After the years the cages just trap any mess my snakes make.
 
Junkyard said:
Art you are showing off you skills again! From what I have noticed, the cages and racks you have put together, it seems you use a darker wood/stain. Which I personally like, it just has a personality that is not around with lighter color cages.

It also masks dirt, I have white PVC cages and I wish I had gone with black. After the years the cages just trap any mess my snakes make.
Hey, Michael. I guess I prefer a darker stain usually with some red in it. Every species of wood takes stain differently as well. This unit is birch with poplar trim.

White is tough to keep clean but it's easy to spot that nasty mite.
 
Looks good Art but but if you don't mind me asking, do you really think the pull out drawers are necessary? I mean, is it really that difficult to pull a sweater box off a shelf. I realize that this will scuff the shelves and if thats the reason then by all means but if that is not the reason then why? Also, you mentioned larger tubs, does that have something to do with it? It does look nice though. As far a the color, I prefer darker stain as well.
 
I like the idea of a shelf for the tubs. I wanted them when i had my sideways rack, so that i could pull the whole tub out, but still have it ON the rack while i was working. * easier access to the snakes, or cleaning, i think*
 
sschind said:
Looks good Art but but if you don't mind me asking, do you really think the pull out drawers are necessary? I mean, is it really that difficult to pull a sweater box off a shelf. I realize that this will scuff the shelves and if thats the reason then by all means but if that is not the reason then why? Also, you mentioned larger tubs, does that have something to do with it? It does look nice though. As far a the color, I prefer darker stain as well.

You know, Steve, I have been thinking the very same thing. Although they are pretty cool the drawer slides add weight, extra cost in material and a lot of time in the building process. That's why I built this one so I can get input from you guys and refine the design as necessary. I was wanting to provide something a little different but the slides will also add extra cost and will probably not be worth the effort.

Thanks for your post.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
I like the idea of a shelf for the tubs. I wanted them when i had my sideways rack, so that i could pull the whole tub out, but still have it ON the rack while i was working. * easier access to the snakes, or cleaning, i think*
It would make it easier for the larger tubs but then again it really will not be cost effective for the buyer as well as myself. It's always an option for those that really want it.
 
Art Klass said:
It would make it easier for the larger tubs but then again it really will not be cost effective for the buyer as well as myself. It's always an option for those that really want it.

Very true.
Its an interesting idea, but probably better suited to metal than wood.
 
I personally think there is a niche for decorative racks in the market and think that a larger version of what you have pictured has some potential. Still, I have a few comments.

1) I believe the trim elements at the top and bottom will have a nice scale and look fine on a wider and taller rack. My bigger concern is that this trim will not allow more than one rack to be placed flush side by side, therby leaving a gap whish would give squirrely snakes a place to crawl into if they popped out of the tub while being put back in.

2) I think the slides add too much complexity, cost and weight to be worth any small gains. A bigger concern I have is the space they take up. Let's assume they add 7/8" per level, which I believe is about right. Even if the final product was six levels tall, that's 5.25 inches of space taken up which is almost equal to a whole other row of boxes.

So in about the same height you could have more boxes, cheaper cost and I think a better look.

3) Never been a huge fan of how birch ply and poplar take darker stains. Looks too blotchy to me. I've had the same problem so I can relate.

4) Lastly, this is clearly going to be a rack that has some expense to it between labor and materials. I strongly believe that decorative racks like this should use the completely clear polycarbonate food storage boxes from Cambro. They are more expensive but I believe that consumers looking for decorative racks would prefer clear boxes.

Racks built with these boxes look great. Personally I like the 9" tall Cambro boxes for their greater viewing area, even though that does end up being wasted space for most species kept in racks. The come in 6" tall versions as well.

I have plans for a rack built with these boxes. Each level can use a combo of two 12x18 boxes or one 26x18 box. Or I might go a bit wider giving me the choice of three 12x18 per level or one 12x18 and one 26x18.

The smaller boxes will slide in lengthwise, the larger widthwise.
 
Chris_Harper2 said:
I personally think there is a niche for decorative racks in the market and think that a larger version of what you have pictured has some potential. Still, I have a few comments.

1) I believe the trim elements at the top and bottom will have a nice scale and look fine on a wider and taller rack. My bigger concern is that this trim will not allow more than one rack to be placed flush side by side, therby leaving a gap whish would give squirrely snakes a place to crawl into if they popped out of the tub while being put back in.

2) I think the slides add too much complexity, cost and weight to be worth any small gains. A bigger concern I have is the space they take up. Let's assume they add 7/8" per level, which I believe is about right. Even if the final product was six levels tall, that's 5.25 inches of space taken up which is almost equal to a whole other row of boxes.

So in about the same height you could have more boxes, cheaper cost and I think a better look.

3) Never been a huge fan of how birch ply and poplar take darker stains. Looks too blotchy to me. I've had the same problem so I can relate.

4) Lastly, this is clearly going to be a rack that has some expense to it between labor and materials. I strongly believe that decorative racks like this should use the completely clear polycarbonate food storage boxes from Cambro. They are more expensive but I believe that consumers looking for decorative racks would prefer clear boxes.

Racks built with these boxes look great. Personally I like the 9" tall Cambro boxes for their greater viewing area, even though that does end up being wasted space for most species kept in racks. The come in 6" tall versions as well.

I have plans for a rack built with these boxes. Each level can use a combo of two 12x18 boxes or one 26x18 box. Or I might go a bit wider giving me the choice of three 12x18 per level or one 12x18 and one 26x18.

The smaller boxes will slide in lengthwise, the larger widthwise.


I agree with you about there being a space between multiple racks. For what I am trying to do I think the aesthetics of the piece outweigh the problem. Of course anything can be modified to suit specific needs.

You are dead on about the slides! They were a huge pita to get right as well.

What species of wood do you prefer to use? I'd appreciate some feedback there.

I'll check into those clear boxes. I agree that it will enhance the overall look of the rack.

Thanks for your input!
 
Art Klass said:
What species of wood do you prefer to use?

I think you can use birch/poplar but might need to experient with gel stains and/or aniline dyes.

Red oak is a safe and somewhat inexpensive choice and takes stain well, although I have to say I am NOT a fan of the radial sawn red oak plywood that is so common at Home Depot and similar places. I much prefer the look of strips of flat-sawn veneers, although those only tend to be available on higher end plywoods.

BTW, I like your ideology of favoring aesthetics over other things. Regarding my particular concern about space between the racks, I believe customers interested in decorative racks probably won't be as worried about cramming multiple animals into as little space as possible so if anything they could just space racks farther apart so that the space is easy to reach into and retrieve and frisky specimens.

Also, I think I would prefer the look with the trim on top instead of the bottom as was suggested by another poster.
 
Chris_Harper2 said:
I think you can use birch/poplar but might need to experient with gel stains and/or aniline dyes.

Red oak is a safe and somewhat inexpensive choice and takes stain well, although I have to say I am NOT a fan of the radial sawn red oak plywood that is so common at Home Depot and similar places. I much prefer the look of strips of flat-sawn veneers, although those only tend to be available on higher end plywoods.

BTW, I like your ideology of favoring aesthetics over other things. Regarding my particular concern about space between the racks, I believe customers interested in decorative racks probably won't be as worried about cramming multiple animals into as little space as possible so if anything they could just space racks farther apart so that the space is easy to reach into and retrieve and frisky specimens.

Also, I think I would prefer the look with the trim on top instead of the bottom as was suggested by another poster.

I have never really been a fan of oak. I don't care for its grain. I have an account with Hogan Hardwoods and have access to a very wide variety of quality hardwood ply and lumber. The wood for this rack came from a home improvement store. (Hogans was closed for the weekend when I was ready to get to work). I'm sure the birch is imported and inferior to domestic goods.

Thanks for your comments. I value your input.
 
Actually I don't like oak either. We just had 1000 sq. ft. of #2 common red oak floors put in but other than that I'm on a mission to get the rest of it out of my house!

I think you should go to your supplier and shop around and see what plywoods you like and more importantly what you can find in matching hardwood for the trim.

A lot of the lighter woods like birch, maple, etc. don't take stains very well without getting blotchy.

I like cherry plywood but the matching trim would be very expensive.
 
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