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Bad Guy Nicole Norton Howling Gale dragons

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Originally Posted by mgl08
Hey chris I poke with nicole from howling dragons I believe she bought that citrus cross male from you. I was wondering do you have any other deep orange males like that one for sale. She had him for sale for 350 for like 24 hrs. when I showed interest she said she wanted to keep him because her friend she bought him from was going out of business with the bearded dragons. She also told me over the phone his bloodline was used to make all the oranges available in the trade today. Any who she hasn't called back or wrote me so I did a little research figured that I would come directly to the source to see if you had another male or if you could direct me to some one who had a male that looked like "Antares". She seem like she undecided one minute she wants to keep him next she doesn't.



Well sadly no, I have no more dragons or any other reptiles now. I had to give up everything. As for the bloodline thing, I have no idea about that. All I got when I got him was pics of his mother and grandfather or something like that. She may have done some extra digging though so I can't yay or nay on that. Nicole got the last one from me. Sorry. I haven't even seen one like him in a long time.
 
Originally Posted by mgl08
Ok last thing she want 400 for him I know she didn't pay that much for him but I kinda what him. I have three bright orange girls they are like skittle orange all the way down to there tails. Did he produce nice colored babies for you? I haven't seen like him in a while either



When I bred him he was mated with an orange german giant but she wasn't orange at all just her bloodline. The babies were 50% orange and 50% yellow. None of them were normal at all. Out of every clutch I had the hardest time trying to pick the hold backs. Most of every clutch came out with orange gowls and below the ears too. $400 is a bit steep but its up to you. I took a loss cause I needed to pay some bills. He is a proven breeder for me so I think he is worth it to be honest. Plus he is only going on two years old or so. So he has lots of breeding left to do. :D I hope I help to make your decision but just think it through. $400 is alot of money right now. Oh I thought I might add that the one female I bred him to laid 5 clutches to total 95 eggs so he is a fertile one.
 
Originally Posted by mgl08
Hey thanks man im glad I was able to find you up here!! I really have to make a hard decision. It is alot of money that I don't really have but I need him cause I have straight orange females. Hey thanks so much man I just wanted to make sure that he was a good breeder before I spent the money cause Nicole was kinda throwing in alot of facts at me in a short period of time.


Well just so you know he is a citrus x sandfire so his babies will be hard to pickout the hold backs because of the citrus gene. Good luck with your breeding. :thumbsup:__________________
 
Originally Posted by mgl08
last thing do you still have pics of his parents ???
Originally Posted by mgl08
last thing do you still have pics of his parents ???

Originally Posted by mgl08
last thing do you still have pics of his parents ???



I would have to search through some emails but I could probably find them. I sent them to Nicole when she bought him though so she should have them.
 
Originally Posted by mgl08
ok ill ask her man thanks i bought him. I must say OUCH!!!:shootfoot $$$



Cool well just send me an email and I will send you the pics you are needing. I have pics of him, the female he mated with and the babies he sired. [email protected]
 
Originally Posted by mgl08
Last thing is did he come from dragon whisper.




I don't know. The lady's name was Grace Miller. I got him off Kingsnake.com
 
Well just a few more days before the BOI is probably shut down and this important resource for our community is no longer available. People should really start getting their priorities straight and pony up the measly $25 (which will only seem even more measly once you get scammed) or risk losing this very important resource. I’m sure there’s lots of scammers and shady folks in our community watching and waiting for this to happen so they can more easily prey on us all so ACT NOW OR DON'T WHINE LATER.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139742
 
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Re: Message about: Selling the collection, fantastic dragons up for grabs, reduced prices!
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:23 PM
From:
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"Grace Miller" <[email protected]>
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To:
"Justin Lloyd" <[email protected]>
I'm not associated with Dragon Whispers. I'm a private hobbyist who's been doing dragons for the past 6 years. All four dragons are still available. The Belgium red female was bred to the Citrus/Sandfire male and I'm very excited about this combo. She's layed two clutches so far from that breeding, they'll hatch out sometime in January and early Febuary. Let me know if you have any other questions

-Gracie
 
I posted everything that was said between me and Justin. At no point did I ever lie or try to mislead anyone in any conversations I had. I am posting this in response to an email I received from Nicole.


Re: Very Upset‏
From:<IMG style="DISPLAY: none" id=P___1224105287 webimdisplayStyle="inline"> [email protected] Sent:Tue 12/22/09 1:10 AMTo: [email protected]
Justin is now making you look back on the BOI if you can would you please post all emails between you and Justin on the boi? He is discrediting you http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158532&page=14


All I tried to do was aide in a sale of someone I did buisness with once before. If any lies were told, they never came from me.
 
C.J. Vogler said:
I posted everything that was said between me and Justin. At no point did I ever lie or try to mislead anyone in any conversations I had. I am posting this in response to an email I received from Nicole.


Re: Very Upset‏
From:<IMG style="DISPLAY: none" id=P___1224105287 webimdisplayStyle="inline"> [email protected] Sent:Tue 12/22/09 1:10 AMTo: [email protected]
Justin is now making you look back on the BOI if you can would you please post all emails between you and Justin on the boi? He is discrediting you http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158532&page=14


All I tried to do was aide in a sale of someone I did buisness with once before. If any lies were told, they never came from me.
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"Discrediting you??" I haven't gotten that impression. "Making YOU look bad on the BOI??" I haven't gotten that impression either.:NoNo:

Thanks for posting these emails (once again, I would encourage everyone to post SCREENSHOTS of emails....just so there is no doubt about the sender and receipient).
 
*AAH you're such a jerk face mcgee...

I honestly never seen C.J. Vogler as bad as she made him seem or a jerk face at all. It just seems that Justin was trying hard not to get you involved. You(Mr. Vogler) should email her back and tell her "You're looking like a jerk face on Fauna with that Bad Guy thread going about you, would you please post something yourself on behalf of yourself????"
 
mgl08 said:
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Re: Message about: Selling the collection, fantastic dragons up for grabs, reduced prices!
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:23 PM
From:
This sender is DomainKeys verified
"Grace Miller"
Add sender to Contacts
To:
"Justin Lloyd"
I'm not associated with Dragon Whispers. I'm a private hobbyist who's been doing dragons for the past 6 years. All four dragons are still available. The Belgium red female was bred to the Citrus/Sandfire male and I'm very excited about this combo. She's layed two clutches so far from that breeding, they'll hatch out sometime in January and early Febuary. Let me know if you have any other questions

-Gracie
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Justin why did you post this?

I think its common knowledge in the dragon community that Rhea is Dragon Whispers, well you have the spelling wrong but I think we all know who you mean.

You have implied that Nicole has said the dragon came from Rhea, please post the email with intact header that says exactly that.
 
There was one more PM from Justin. I over looked it because I was using the messages in the sent box.


Re: hate to bug ya
Not getting you involved Nicole is a straight up liar she lied about his genetics. She told me he was off dragon whispers bloodline. She refused to refund me. I had to file a claim with paypal just to get my money back from her she only had the paypal for 24 hours. Then she wanted me to pay her 50 bucks just to get my money back to compensate for gas, and her time lol. Then she tell me she contacted you and asked if I emailed you. Man she is a nut case bro. She then finally refunds me send me an emails says well someone else has bought Antares that's the only reason im refunding you this was today at 2:56pm and then I get on fauna I see his ad was just posted at 3:41 Pm. Bro she is a constant liar. She got mad at me because I simply changed my mind after thinking about it $425 was way too much for him.
thanks for all your help wasn't trying to get you involved I just wanted to tell you about her.


After all this has been said, I think its time for some of the people that are truely involved in this to "show there cards" i.e. post your emails so we can sort this out.

I know its a pain in the a$$ to post all the emails but in this case, I think it might be worth it.
 
Well, if Nicole would actually show her face instead of hiding behind Ed, it would certainly be helpful. It's not as if she hasn't seen this thread, or been busy posting her own sale ads and thread posts, even this evening.

Interesting that Antares is now offered for $325.00 shipped on her website. She can post photos of her dragons and a (yawn) natural gas line break this evening, but hasn't got the time to update her website and remove dragons she claims are sold?

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Ed, give it a rest. Chivalry is commendable, but your continuous interjections on Nicole's behalf & attempts to misdirect issues are certainly not helping her at all. I'm surprised you (and she) can't figure that out.
 
Yet again Nicole does not post anything to defend herself in any way. Now she drags another unrelated person into it. What does she have to hide? As far as I can see she lied she got caught then made accusations against the OP and didn't back them at all. What are her and Ed going to do next? I would avoid both of them like the plague. Tom Barone
 
Death Threat.

mgl08 said:
Justin Lloyd,
I did state that the thread was about threats because some people just nick pick too much.
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Justin this will be my last question for you.

Did you tell Nicole that you would slit her throat if she did not refund your money?
 
This isn't the first thread on this breeder....

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135080&highlight=howling+gale

That one starts out pretty innocent, with a little toe nip, but ends with other complaints including misrepresented genetics and threats to hurt someones future sales. I can't see dealing with Nicole. Too many others to buy from who advertise their animals honestly and want their customers to be satisfied.
 
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