Bad Guy Nicole Norton/Howlinn gale dragons,Bad guy very bad guy.

[Jt80]

Talk about special olympics.


I think I love you Adam. Hook me up with a bag. lol

 

[StrictlyExotics]

This is a long story, Nicole and I had a breeder loan deal going on with a male yellow italian leatherback I call Prince. I bought him from Tom Clarke. the deal was she was to breed him to many females that she had waiting.

Long story she never bred him once in 8 months, I asked her to ship him back she tells me she has become attache to him and will not return him.

Any breeding loan contract Ed? Even you know you have the burden of proof. You are just talking the game right now, show us proof.

She asked me to buy her 14 dragons for a show we did in Buffalo with the promise of repayment after the show. well its 7 months later and she has paid nothing.

Again, proof?

She bought a hypo trans and a smoothie off me in june $210.00 with a promise to pay later when she has money. 10 months later she has paid nothing.

More accusations without proof?

She had me pick up 4 cages for her in North Jersey with a cost of $80.00 plus in gas and tolls and has paid nothing as of yet.

Ed, prove your case man. Sheesh

You're a grown man Ed. Time to take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming other people. You know I'm right.

Ed, Kelli is ABSOLUTELY right. Man up and know that sometimes, some things are ACTUALLY your fault.

The kid who supposedly threatened to kill her because he renigged and she didn't want to pony up his dough.

She didn't make one post on that Bad Guy thread about her, all Ed.

This was the one where Nicole was "informed" not to respond by the police right?

Must have been mistaken, that wasnt me that mentioned the orange coveralls. I didnt know you were a pedophile until after our last transaction.

Tom, you know he is just trying to get on your good side again. He must be running out of options on suppliers to get babies from now, with Nicole gone.

Did I hear someone say popcorn? I have some bags here. .99 cents plus shipping of course.

Hey, just drive me some. I got the microwave

 

[KelliH]

Must have been mistaken, that wasnt me that mentioned the orange coveralls. I didnt know you were a pedophile until after our last transaction.

WHAT???!!!

 

[Ed Clark]

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Wolesale Lot
This is a lot 14 babies. It consists of 5 non-nipped babies ( 1 hypo) with 3 nipped (2 hypos) and 3 (2 hypos) with bite marks on their tail. These are from a pastel female X hypo marketed leucistic male. The other two (1 non-nipped and 1 with bite mark on tail; the two darker one in the pictures) are from a bloodXnormal red female. Asking $150.00 + shipping for them all. First picture is of the non-nipped and second is of the others. They are all a little over a month old.

This is a lot of 14 dragons that Nicole asked me to buy for her as we were doing a show in Buffalo and she needed dragons to sell, she promised to pay me back after the show but never did repay me.

Heres a copy of my paypal payment for the 14 lot I bought for her.

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Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #1LU12770FS475101N)

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Date:
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Pleas4e ship right away. my phone is 609/390-5682
Shipping Address:
edward clark
1800 route 9
Ocean View, NJ 08230
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[StrictlyExotics]

This is a lot of 14 dragons that Nicole asked me to buy for her as we were doing a show in Buffalo and she needed dragons to sell, she promised to pay me back after the show but never did repay me.

Heres a copy of my paypal payment for the 14 lot I bought for her.

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Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #1LU12770FS475101N)

Sent to:
Khavong Pha
Email:
[email protected]
Amount sent:
-$185.00 USD
Fee amount:
$0.00 USD
Net amount:
-$185.00 USD

Date:
Sep 7, 2009
Time:
22:15:42 PDT
Status:
Completed

Subject:
Khavong Pha
Note:
Pleas4e ship right away. my phone is 609/390-5682
Shipping Address:
edward clark
1800 route 9
Ocean View, NJ 08230
United States
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Ed, what does this prove? Were these shipped directly to Nicole? I mean where are the emails stating that she is going to pay you for these dragons? This just shows us that something was purchased by you.

 

[Ed Clark]

Must have been mistaken, that wasnt me that mentioned the orange coveralls. I didnt know you were a pedophile until after our last transaction.

O Tommy, you sent me a PM saying I should get far away from Nicole after the emails she was sending you. you mentioned that people in jail wear orange coveralls.

Hmmm... pedophile because I was engaged to a 23 year old woman?

 

[Ed Clark]

Ed, what does this prove? Were these shipped directly to Nicole? I mean where are the emails stating that she is going to pay you for these dragons? This just shows us that something was purchased by you.

It proves I bought them from Khavong Pha for her, he shipped to me because she did not want him to know they were for her. I shipped them to her so she had them before the show. I do have a shipping record going to her.

 

[KelliH]

I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion... but... if Ed truly did send the male dragon to Nicole on a breeding loan, then he still owns it, right? And she should send it back to him. The problem is of course *sigh* she says he gave the dragon to her, there seems to be no proof either way. Neither is more believable than the other at this point (sorry Ed).

Ed, I've dealt with you once before, you bought some ciliatus from me. We had a fine transaction, no issues etc. Frankly, you were a pleasure to do business with (yes guys, I know I was not the customer). Perhaps I am naive but I feel that if you really tried to you could turn things around for yourself. Maybe this could be a turning point in your life as far as the reptile business goes?

My advice to you (and to Nicole) is just let it go. Let her keep that male, you keep whatever you have and call it even. Life's too shirt man, the best thing to do is learn from your mistakes (and we all make them), move on and try to be a better person.

 

[Ed Clark]

Heres a link to the ad.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146046'>http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146046'>http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146046

 

[StrictlyExotics]

I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion... but... if Ed truly did send the male dragon to Nicole on a breeding loan, then he still owns it, right? And she should send it back to him. The problem is of course *sigh* she says he gave the dragon to her, there seems to be no proof either way. Neither is more believable than the other at this point (sorry Ed).

Ed, I've dealt with you once before, you bought some ciliatus from me. We had a fine transaction, no issues etc. Frankly, you were a pleasure to do business with (yes guys, I know I was not the customer). Perhaps I am naive but I feel that if you really tried to you could turn things around for yourself. Maybe this could be a turning point in your life as far as the reptile business goes?

My advice to you (and to Nicole) is just let it go. Let her keep that male, you keep whatever you have and call it even. Life's too shirt man, the best thing to do is learn from your mistakes (and we all make them), move on and try to be a better person.

Kelli,

I TOTALLY agree with you. Ive tried to get them both to see the light on the other side. Ive even stated that, in some other thread, that I would probably even give Ed a chance just because I know he doesnt want to be a bad guy all his life.

Even with Nicole, Id love to see them both clear their names. Ive tried to help Nicole because she is naive and she will actually ask for advice. I even advised her to not pursue a BOI thread on Ed, but I was too late being that he already started one and I got to this way too late.

 

[Ed Clark]

I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion... but... if Ed truly did send the male dragon to Nicole on a breeding loan, then he still owns it, right? And she should send it back to him. The problem is of course *sigh* she says he gave the dragon to her, there seems to be no proof either way. Neither is more believable than the other at this point (sorry Ed).

Ed, I've dealt with you once before, you bought some ciliatus from me. We had a fine transaction, no issues etc. Frankly, you were a pleasure to do business with (yes guys, I know I was not the customer). Perhaps I am naive but I feel that if you really tried to you could turn things around for yourself. Maybe this could be a turning point in your life as far as the reptile business goes?

My advice to you (and to Nicole) is just let it go. Let her keep that male, you keep whatever you have and call it even. Life's too shirt man, the best thing to do is learn from your mistakes (and we all make them), move on and try to be a better person.

No I never gave her Prince. I would have given her the world if I could.
we both had alot to gain with the breeding loan. my gorgeous male with the many high color females she owned. the split on the babies would have helped her move up the steps on the breeding ladder. my only thoughts were to help her into a better position.the arguing over Prince and the money that was never repaid is what drove the nails into the coffin. if I had to do it all over I would have just gave it all to her with no thoughts of getting anything back. its too late for that now.

 

[KelliH]

My advice to you (and to Nicole) is just let it go. Let her keep that male, you keep whatever you have and call it even. Life's too shirt man, the best thing to do is learn from your mistakes (and we all make them), move on and try to be a better person.

I meant to type "Life's too SHORT" of course.

 

[KelliH]

Dude, just let it go and move on.

 

[Ed Clark]

Dude, just let it go and move on.

Mmm good idea.

She really is a great gal.

 

[DAND]

The honeymoon is over.

She asked me to buy her 14 dragons for a show we did in Buffalo with the promise of repayment after the show. well its 7 months later and she has paid nothing.

She bought a hypo trans and a smoothie off me in june $210.00 with a promise to pay later when she has money. 10 months later she has paid nothing.

She had me pick up 4 cages for her in North Jersey with a cost of $80.00 plus in gas and tolls and has paid nothing as of yet.

While it goes without saying someone should re-pay things they say they'd re-pay or pay for but why on earth would you continue to make purchases for her when prior purchases hadn't been paid for yet? You may want to try thinking with the other head in the future. Obviously some monies had to have been made selling them or even some other stock but you never requested any monies? Come on Ed, you know how things work here, let's see some proof versus little tidbits of information. This Hansel and Gretel bread crumb trail is ridiculous.

Providing proof of said transactions would go a long way. You say you have proof you sent her the 14 dragons? While you showed you made the purchase for the 14 dragons it does not prove you bought them for her. Any e-mails pertaining to this or any of your other accusations?

 

[deborahbroadus]

((munching))

 

[DAND]

And since I guess the honeymoon is over did she at least return the ring?

 

[Ed Clark]

Providing proof of said transactions would go a long way. You say you have proof you sent her the 14 dragons? While you showed you made the purchase for the 14 dragons it does not prove you bought them for her. Any e-mails pertaining to this or any of your other accusations?

Copy of email notifying her that the babies are on the way.

Thu, September 10, 2009 2:37:58 PM
fly babies.
...
From:
Ed Clark <[email protected]>
...
Add to Contacts
To: Nicole <[email protected]>
eh 456188308 us

will be there tomorrow before noon.

www.usps.com

 

[Ed Clark]

Original post office airbill for the 14 baby dragons I sent her.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Ed, I understand you are trying to provide your proof, but you really arent providing us with anything. Why is this like pulling teeth from you? Again, show us the proof that she states that she is going to pay you back for these dragons, cages, dinner, movies, etc... If you dont have that proof, we certainly cannot judge this in your favor.

You are in a sticky situation. You dated her and most of what you two did, was probably on the phone. But this is where your problem lies. YOu should seriously sit down with Nicole and hash out the issues to see where you both stand with these so-called purchases.