Bad Guy Nicole Norton/Howlinn gale dragons,Bad guy very bad guy.

[dragonluver83]

So, it may seem like we're feeding their need for attention...but in reality, we're keeping the truth of who they are in the "headlines" so more innocent people get a chance to see and understand.

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Not only that but ALL that crap ed said about me in that b.g. thread, he has flipped and put blame on nicole and back tracked through his lies about me.

What these two threads had done for me was clear any doubt that the stuff ed said about me is UNTRUE! So in a way this thread was more than helpful in MULTIPLE ways! BUT now its just them two repeating themself over and over.

BUT HEY, these two belong on the front page of the b.o.i. so let it fly.

 

[tinmantribe5]

ED is a true Shapeshifter!

 

[tinmantribe5]

A lot bigger names of Women have been Tarnished for the Love of a Man!
If she admits to liking the Turd! and says she learned from her Mistakes
"then Leave her alone"

 

[tinmantribe5]

Its Sad We as Men make Women do our dirty Work ED!

 

[Ed Clark]

Nicole was asked to provide proof of the 2 dragons that came from tom clarke she says were sick, she told me this last summer and I took her word for both being sick. she posts some fake fecal counts that have no meaning and is quickly called out on it by a knowledgeable person that knows about fecal counts. she claimed Prince was loaded with pinworms also.

Its impossible for her to have done a fecal last summer as she recently bought a scope and does not know what she is looking at.she is taking in fecals from others for examination with absolutely no knowledge or training charging for this service and suggesting treatments.thats wrong in so many ways.

Her whole defense is lie after lie, she has even talked her friends into lying for her.

Ed go suck on a lemon I owe you nothing, you know the glass was broken as you where the one who TOLD me to get some money back on the tanks. And nice try I gave you the count of Coccidia, Pin Worm, Nematode, and Flagellate I found on the fecal.

I still have the counts in his file here you go

Coccidia - + 15
Pin Worms - + 12
Nematodes- + 2 (I have only herd of a dragon with this once)
Flagellates - + 9

These numbers where counted with the Microscope at 2600 X Zoom (65X on eye piece 40X on Main Lens) there was so much moving on Prince's slide it looked like the whole thing was alive.

So Ed dose that look like something not to worry about? That poor dragon was in awful shape! And that picture of him outside was taken after he finally came up with three clean fecal slides in a row. He was still a bit thin but it is hard to see as he really did not like being outside and pancaked out while giving me the official beardy stink eye.

Ed make a choice already I won't keep sitting around listening to you lie and try to get out of this.

Choice 1 : Finally admit that you gave Prince to me and be over with this thread
Choice 2: Send $200 to my pay pal and have Prince back Tuesday (Against what I feel is right - I HATE offering this but I am sick of Ed's lies and tantrums)
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Originally Posted by HowlinGaleDragons View Post
Ed go suck on a lemon I owe you nothing, you know the glass was broken as you where the one who TOLD me to get some money back on the tanks. And nice try I gave you the count of Coccidia, Pin Worm, Nematode, and Flagellate I found on the fecal.

I still have the counts in his file here you go

Coccidia - + 15
Pin Worms - + 12
Nematodes- + 2 (I have only herd of a dragon with this once)
Flagellates - + 9

These numbers where counted with the Microscope at 2600 X Zoom (65X on eye piece 40X on Main Lens) there was so much moving on Prince's slide it looked like the whole thing was alive.

So Ed dose that look like something not to worry about? That poor dragon was in awful shape! And that picture of him outside was taken after he finally came up with three clean fecal slides in a row. He was still a bit thin but it is hard to see as he really did not like being outside and pancaked out while giving me the official beardy stink eye.

Ed make a choice already I won't keep sitting around listening to you lie and try to get out of this.

Choice 1 : Finally admit that you gave Prince to me and be over with this thread
Choice 2: Send $200 to my pay pal and have Prince back Tuesday (Against what I feel is right - I HATE offering this but I am sick of Ed's lies and tantrums)

I have to add here, and im not taking anyones side just stating the facts, that in the vet world there is no such thing as +15 on a parasite reading. It generally goes to +3 or +4 for extreme loads. Are you saying that you saw 15 parasites per high powered field??? Just trying to understand your post. Also i have read thousands of fecals on hundreds of species and never saw flagellates on slides, once in awhile nematodes. Are you sure your correct in your counts??

And for the record my name is Pat Kline CVT (Vertified Vet Tech Nationally), if your curious i run a vet department at a zoo.
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[Ed Clark]

Nicole once again I ask you to post proof that Prince was sick and had pinworms, I also ask you to tell us how you determined the hypo trans was also sick.

My contention is you are lying trying to get out of an $1105.00 bill you owe plus the return of Prince that was on breeder loan with you.

How can you live with yourself posting all these lies? better yet how do your friends back you knowing you are a pathological lier?

The hypo trans died 8 months later in her care.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

I apologize to any body (Excluding Ed) I have offended,personally or Other wise and am Ending this thread for good I would like to Get a clean slate and start over and Never look Back.



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The last up date I would like to give is Ed never posted his fake contract and has finally ceased all attempts to contact and harass me; he never paid for Prince who knows maybe he has a shred of conscious left or his pride got the best of him. Ed also never could prove I "Owed" him money because I never did he simply said and posted what he did to try to scare me into doing something. Prince will have a wonderful life with me as he has been living since the day he arrived I treated him no different when he first arrived to when he was given to me and he won't be treated any different now. If Ed for some reason tries to send $200 for Prince at this point the offer no longer stands I agree with the many people who have spoken to me over the past week that sending Prince back would be wrong it might stop Ed's attacks but what would happen to the poor dragon.



Ed I hope some day you will learn that knowing proper husbandry won't do a thing for you if you do not do it; Dragons are not Property as you called them many times they are living breathing creatures just like you and I they have feelings just the same. Hopefully you will clean up your business practices but I doubt that will ever happen at the rate things are going with you; I on the other hand am working with a few members of Fauna who are well known to see what I can do better. This is the last you will ever hear from me Ed move on please as I have moved on at least I learned with you that turning a blind eye to someone's wrong actions can never be right. My only request to you is not that hard please apologize to Tom Clarke for everything you have said about him as it is all lies; I would also ask you to man up and apologize for all the lies about me but I know that will never happen.

 

[ReptileJay]

Her whole defense is lie after lie.

And your "defense" has been different how exactly Ed?? Why did you use the same picture of a dragon against 2 different people again??

Oh wait you answered that question didn't you... "Dodgity dodge" or something like that???

How about a REAL answer for once... And an apology for YOUR wrongful actions.

 

[Ed Clark]

This is a female adult Leo Nicole returned to me for credit because "they were too much work" it was a non feeder when I received her and I could not turn her around.

She died shedding, did not have the energy to shed.

Sorry pics wont post I will try later.

 

[ReptileJay]

And your "defense" has been different how exactly Ed?? Why did you use the same picture of a dragon against 2 different people again??

Oh wait you answered that question didn't you... "Dodgity dodge" or something like that???

How about a REAL answer for once... And an apology for YOUR wrongful actions.

Hey Ed, how about not ignoring the questions with your diversionary garbage???

Ignoring your problems will not make them go away...

 

[Ed Clark]

I would like to Get a clean slate and start over and Never look Back.

My adice would be to find a new way to scam people and stop the constant lying.

Get out of the live animal business because too many animals in your care have died.

Ed I hope some day you will learn that knowing proper husbandry won't do a thing for you if you do not do it;

Beings you brought this up.

How many of your adult dragons came out of brumation with respitory problems? I will answer this...ALL.

You told me that the dragons were waking up during brumation and I told you they were not cooled down enough.

You said they woke up because they were hungry so you fed them, they went down after a heavy feeding then came out all sick...go figure.

Well anyway you are unsubscribing again so I guess I will see you and your grand parents in Erie County small claims court.

 

[ReptileJay]

Enough already Ed... Everyone knows you like changing subjects, and that you're fantastic at ignoring valid questions... Let me just refresh your memory?

And your "defense" has been different how exactly Ed?? Why did you use the same picture of a dragon against 2 different people again??

Oh wait you answered that question didn't you... "Dodgity dodge" or something like that???

How about a REAL answer for once... And an apology for YOUR wrongful actions.

 

[JudyC]

How can you live with yourself posting all these lies?

Same way you do???

My adice would be to find a new way to scam people and stop the constant lying.

So...you recommend that she CONTINUE scamming...so long as she's not poaching on YOUR territory?

 

[Ed Clark]

This is a pic of Prince taken at toms place about a week or so before I decided to buy him, tom showed him a female and he went after her and seemed like an aggressive breeder. actually he held a female up outside of his cage and he jumped and grabbed the female in mid air behind the neck trying to breed her.

I showed Nicole pics of Prince she said she had to have him, so I went back bought him then shipped him to Nicole on a breeder loan where we would split the hatchlings 50/50.

Does he look sick to anyone? does he look like a dragon that would never breed?

 

[spyder79]

This is a pic of Prince taken at toms place about a week or so before I decided to buy him, tom showed him a female and he went after her and seemed like an aggressive breeder. actually he held a female up outside of his cage and he jumped and grabbed the female in mid air behind the neck trying to breed her.

I showed Nicole pics of Prince she said she had to have him, so I went back bought him then shipped him to Nicole on a breeder loan where we would split the hatchlings 50/50.

Does he look sick to anyone? does he look like a dragon that would never breed?

Ed again with the lies. You are now saying you feel Prince was completely healthy when you got him. Yet in the BG post you made about ed you claimed he was loaded with parasites from the start. Just another shining example of how immature and sophomoric you are. You will tailor a lie to work for any scenario. It is hilarious how you have blatantly applied almost every lie you made about tom to nicole.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Ed again with the lies. You are now saying you feel Prince was completely healthy when you got him. Yet in the BG post you made about ed you claimed he was loaded with parasites from the start. Just another shining example of how immature and sophomoric you are. You will tailor a lie to work for any scenario. It is hilarious how you have blatantly applied almost every lie you made about tom to nicole.

You mean the BG post where Ed lied and said that particular Dragon that Ed mentions was sick.


Here's a picture of Ed so you can put a face to this Bad Guy and avoid doing business with him at shows.

 

[spyder79]

Ed again with the lies. You are now saying you feel Prince was completely healthy when you got him. Yet in the BG post you made about tom you claimed he was loaded with parasites from the start. Just another shining example of how immature and sophomoric you are. You will tailor a lie to work for any scenario. It is hilarious how you have blatantly applied almost every lie you made about tom to nicole.

typo for whatever reason i typed the name ed twice when the second name is supposed to be Tom, the victim of Ed's idiocy.

 

[tinmantribe5]

Good Job"Nichole" let your Friends take care of this Scorned Turd!

 

[tinmantribe5]

I have advised Nichole too cease any further talk on this thread Enough is Enough let this thread Die and go Away you lil Immature child ED!

 

[dragonluver83]

This is a pic of Prince taken at toms place about a week or so before I decided to buy him, tom showed him a female and he went after her and seemed like an aggressive breeder. actually he held a female up outside of his cage and he jumped and grabbed the female in mid air behind the neck trying to breed her.

I showed Nicole pics of Prince she said she had to have him, so I went back bought him then shipped him to Nicole on a breeder loan where we would split the hatchlings 50/50.

Does he look sick to anyone? does he look like a dragon that would never breed?

This is how clean my cages are at any given time.

This is an example of how my dragons breed.

This is an EXAMPLE of how MY dragons are in MY care.