owens, good moderator or not

[nicolai]

I think we need to start a self help group. Faunaphiles Anoymous or something similar.

Can I join the group???? The ojnly problem is that any of those "anonomous" (sp?) organizations like AA always want you to go on the wagon away from what your addiction is. I dont know about you but i think my "fauna" withdrawl would be severe and long. Also what would be the medicine to help us though this???

 

[Lucille]

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I also think Wes is one of the kindest, most honest people I have ever met.

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I think so also.

 

[nicolai]

I think so also.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!


Lucille I just want you to know that you are one of the nicest, most honest and caring people that i have ever known on this site and your a asset to the reptile community in general.
I am glad to see that you think as highly of WES as we do and will always be there for him as a friend.

 

[Lucille]

Nicholas, you do not know me. Wes and I talked. We IMed each other yesterday.
I also respect and like Rich, the site and its rules.
I do not feel I should be criticizeded for for genuinely feeling both of the above.

 

[Jim O]

Nicholas, you do not know me. Wes and I talked. We IMed each other yesterday.
I also respect and like Rich, the site and its rules.
I do not feel I should be criticizeded for for genuinely feeling both of the above.

Where's the criticism, Lucille?

 

[nicolai]

Lucille...

Nicholas, you do not know me. Wes and I talked. We IMed each other yesterday.
I also respect and like Rich, the site and its rules.
I do not feel I should be criticizeded for for genuinely feeling both of the above.

Who critisized you??? Did you read the words that i wrote??? Were they not phrased the right way or something???
I said your NICE
I said your HONEST
I said your a ASSET TO THE REPTILE COMMUNITY
I thanked you for thinking so highly of WES.

Do you feel that praise is critisizm???


Maybe I will get a warning or point for being nice to you Lucille , I dont know. But if you dont want to bury the hatchet, that was your decision not mine.

 

[Lucille]

I said your NICE
I said your HONEST
I said your a ASSET TO THE REPTILE COMMUNITY
I thanked you for thinking so highly of WES.

.

Thank you

 

[bud mierkey]

my answer good guy

Dr Owens has in my opinion been fair and just.
He does a good job.
I think we need mental health expert moderator that would help.
just my compromised paid for worthless opinion

 

[Chris@TSE]

yes, but I do think a good mod would refrain from making the same foul remarks that any other USER would be fined or suspended for. especially when written in the very same place used to warn members....

am I wrong or was it Dr. Owens that did this, or was it another mod? I forget.

It is called setting an example and practicing what you preach.

even if it is simple as calling someone a "troll"

If we are not to do such a thing , nor should they. One must realize many will follow by example, and this is a common courtesy to members as well.

-jmho

 

[sirenofthestorm]

That makes entirely too much sense sometimes "Do as I say, not as I do" is much more popular, I find.

 

[Chris@TSE]

Yes, but finding respect for someone who practices that "method" is very hard to do, anyone can attest to that. In fact, it rarely happens. I've seen in recent statements we are supposed to act like mature adults, understandable.... and have respect for staff, and each other. This sort of thinking is not a good way to go about it. Again, a simple opinion and suggestion to make changes less difficult......

 

[jglass38]

I think that the moderators sometimes get involved in the same baiting that the regular folks are accused of, warned, fined. suspended or banned for. Apparently they are not responsible for their actions in the same way that the regular people are. Its pretty sad. Wes, while at times antagonistic, managed to regularly contribute to this site and in my eyes should have been treated better. But as we know, there is no telling Rich or the moderators that they might be doing anything wrong. I see the need to take out the trash and keep things going in the proper direction here, but OFTEN it gets taken to the extreme. Can't we have a little balance?

 

[WebSlave]

yes, but I do think a good mod would refrain from making the same foul remarks that any other USER would be fined or suspended for. especially when written in the very same place used to warn members....

am I wrong or was it Dr. Owens that did this, or was it another mod? I forget.

It is called setting an example and practicing what you preach.

even if it is simple as calling someone a "troll"

If we are not to do such a thing , nor should they. One must realize many will follow by example, and this is a common courtesy to members as well.

-jmho

Do you have any evidence at all of your claim of a moderator using "foul" language, Chris? From my estimate, the date of first implementation of my more aggressive stance at enforcing the rules around here was approximately on 10/13/05. I have searched through the warning points ALL mods have assessed as well as the karma comments and don't see anything at all as you are claiming. So please, provide me the evidence you have seen to corroborate your claim.

As for a mod calling a member a "troll", well dang, that is one of the rules/guidelines that my mods are SUPPOSED to enforce! Imagine that! It is their job to determine who is being a troll on this site. It is their job to apply that label when they deem it appropriate and take relevant action to end it.

Members are welcomed to report such posts that they believe are trolling, but using that term in a derogatory fashion towards another member, with the obvious intent of it being trolling itself, in my opinion, to initiate conflict, will most certainly get them in trouble here. No, trolling is not a black and white situation. But in any event, the moderators are certainly within their rights here to use that term if they feel that the shoe fits. If a member uses such a term, then they have to be very careful of the manner and context in which it is used so as not to make it appear to myself or the moderators as being used in a derogatory and name calling type of useage. Yeah, gray area, for sure, but as I have mentioned before, I am leaning more away from the "benefit of the doubt" stance I used to take and leaning more towards the "shoot first, ask questions later" methodology. It is my belief that this is appropriate at this time in order to be on the fast track to make certain that everyone understands how serious I am about this.

If someone cares to interpret this as a "do as I say, and not as I do" type of circumstance, then go ahead and knock yourself out over it. The mods have my full support to be as aggressive as necessary to get the job done I have asked them to do.

 

[WebSlave]

I think that the moderators sometimes get involved in the same baiting that the regular folks are accused of, warned, fined. suspended or banned for. Apparently they are not responsible for their actions in the same way that the regular people are. Its pretty sad. Wes, while at times antagonistic, managed to regularly contribute to this site and in my eyes should have been treated better. But as we know, there is no telling Rich or the moderators that they might be doing anything wrong. I see the need to take out the trash and keep things going in the proper direction here, but OFTEN it gets taken to the extreme. Can't we have a little balance?

Balance? How many warning points did Wes have on his record? How many times has he been fined and suspended from this site? How long do you believe I should have allowed that to continue before my claim of cleaning this place up looked like a complete farce?

Sorry, Wes is no stranger to the rules and breaking them. He just pushed the envelope to the breaking point and that is that.

I am darn serious about what I have set out to do in cleaning this place up. That fully includes throwing people off of this site permanently if that is what it will take to accomplish that task. NO ONE has any diplomatic immunity here at all. Length of time here, number of posts, money spent on advertising, etc., etc., do not mean one hill of beans if they are violating the rules and in any fashion making this a much less tolerable place for people to visit. There just is no reason nor call for some people to act in the manner in which they have been on this site, and I do mean to end it, no matter what it takes.

 

[Dennis1]

I think Dr. Owens is doing a good job
Even though he has fined me for an "Obvious Troll" Which he has (fined) others for the same offense including Wes

It cant be an easy job,I dont envy it one bit

 

[Reptile Locators]

Things do need to change!

I think that the moderators sometimes get involved in the same baiting that the regular folks are accused of, warned, fined. suspended or banned for. Apparently they are not responsible for their actions in the same way that the regular people are. Its pretty sad. Wes, while at times antagonistic, managed to regularly contribute to this site and in my eyes should have been treated better. But as we know, there is no telling Rich or the moderators that they might be doing anything wrong.
I see the need to take out the trash and keep things going
in the proper direction here, but OFTEN it gets taken to the extreme.
Can't we have a little balance?

I do believe the mods try to do their best and as for
Dr. Owens i have not had the pleasure of any interactions
with Dr. Owens and can not base whether he is not good or
bad as a mod. but the fact still remains there
need to be some actions taken.

So here my take on the whole FC situation. and is JIMO.

Here is just my Opinion on the whole thing
If someone does not like what is going on and speaks out
Many times someone will agree and some will not agree.
Is that not what a community place of discussion is for
But there has to be some sort of medium based ground
To get people to interact with each other like mature adults
With out the bickering back and forth.

The use of tactical antagonism no matter how politely
It was written is just that antagonism. In which some
may have turned a blind eye to at times
FC. Has now lost yet another valuable member
Now Wes and others have spoke their minds and been
Fined Suspended or banned while others remain
freely with very little reprimand
if any at all. What Gives?

It is JIMO! Look around and consider the sources
Consider what FC just might be left with, valuable members?
Or people truly deserving of being banned?
Who knows only time will tell.
It is not cleaning house if you’re leaving The Trash Behind.


I doubt that my opinion is wanted or weighed concerning matters here on FC.
And I’m appalled by some actions that have taken place here
Most likely I am going to take a break from Fauna and re-frame
From using the forums. Other than to come here from time to time
To see what’s going on around the site and maybe post my animals for sale

Here is a couple of sayings to think on.
“Follow your mind and your rear-end will follow!”

The other was one I used in my signature line in my post here.
By which I believe are powerful useful tools for the mind.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
good men to do nothing”……………….Edmund Burke

Well I have expressed my opinion and feelings about a small
part of issues here And have a lot of respect for a
majority of all here for the most part And wish Rich
and Everyone on Fauna the best of luck turning things around

Peace Out!

 

[Otter_23]

I have to say only recently (last month) have I seen a post by Dr. Owens that to me was degrading. I haven't seen him post much in quite a few months. Prior to that I was appalled by his behaviors and the way he treated several members. In my opinion the mods have a job which is not easy but there are also expectations that go with being a mod. For instance the President can do what he wants but it is looked down on if he goes to say a strip joint. I think metaphorically Dr. Owens has crossed these lines of professionalism regardless if he did it as a member or a mod. I don't think you can do both. You can't be a cop during work hours and crook on your time off you are still held to expectations of your job. He may have changed how he deals with people more recently but before that I saw many posts were he was rude, degrading and condescending. He didn't need to be he could have gotten his point across without lowering his standards to those types of posts. I have also seen him bait people and escalate situations he did not have to (Mickey). True that if he was a member it would be more acceptable but Dr. Owen's chose to be a mod and with that comes responsbilities and professionalism. I also do feel that some here have learned to troll very effectively and still look like they are doing what is right for the site. That is how I feel from my observations.
Mark Westberg

 

[jsrocket]

I have to admit some curiousity. Where are these allegedly derogatory posts by Dr. Owens?

 

[Otter_23]

I'll have to look some up

 

[Otter_23]

We have these things called "Private Messages" and "Email" for a reason. Please learn to use them.

Here is one from the Bill Leverton scandal

**Blink, Blink**

Man...it sure is a good thing that you piped in when you did. I'm not sure what we would have done without that analysis.

Points??? What points? I wasn't aware that you'd made one...let alone multiple ones.

Perhaps in the future you would do well to have some hint of a clue about what you are talking about BEFORE you post.

These are more current posts you can view his posts and find them. They in my opinion are condescending and shouldn't be coming from mod. Like I said the mods should be held to higher standard than resorting to sarcasm and being condescending. These types of posts are what most people are referring to.
Mark Westberg