Info Paul Buckley of NY - questionable shipping practices

[Shadera]

And FWIW, he never admitted the way he boxed these animals was wrong - he actually defended his packing job and detailed how he thought his way was superior to what's been the industry standard for a while - which was the original and only gripe I had with him at the time, only that shipping them regular overnight might not have been the best idea.

 

[MiIguanaLvr]

The smaller is thin, with a prominent backbone, and the larger is thin as well with a concave belly. Nothing a little good care won't fix, but I just want to make sure it's out there for the naysayers who think just because they got here alive means I should shut up.

Could we see photos of the snake you refer to above?
If it really is that thin it should be visible in photos.

 

[dprince]

Thanks for the advice, but I already re-read the thread before making my post.

YOU were the only one who doubted genetics.



I have to agree with Paul here, it seems to me you have taken a shipping issue (one that the shipper has agreed was an error on his part and learned from) and turned it into an all-out attack. You can call the man a poor shipper; but to all-but call him a liar on the genetics and a possible criminal to boot? That seems to be quite a stretch IMHO...

I completely agree. The snakes were shipped improperly, the seller acknowledged that, and I'll bet good money he won't do it again. Questioning his integrity over genetics because the shipping was poor...........IMHO it's a stretch, and one that isn't warranted at this point. You are CERTAINLY entitled to feel however it is you feel - but please realize that once you post something here, it's here FOREVER. And questioning someone's integrity about something that isn't related at all to the original issue.......just seems to go beyond the scope of why you came here in the first place.

As to whether or not he illegally keeps certain kinds of reptiles based on where he lives.........that's not relevant to THIS issue, IMHO. If that is the case, *I* would guess - instead of being a "deceiver" - he's just someone who has a passion for herps (that we all share, right? Isn't that why we're here?) and who makes choices - whether "good" or "bad" - to keep reptiles that he loves. Or, perhaps he wasn't aware of the laws restricting specific reptiles. In any case, I personally wouldn't jump to the conclusion that he is a "bad guy" based on that issue, even "coupled" with the poor shipping issue. But - that's just my opinion.

 

[dprince]

No, I'm not.

You are free to make whatever assumptions about me that you wish based on what you perceive. You can even not do any business with me in the future, it won't hurt my feelings. But this is my experience with this person, including my thoughts that go along with it. You aren't me, so I can't expect you to see what I see or feel what I feel. As I said before, some people think nothing of doing business with shady folks, I prefer a higher standard.

I'm am making some assumptions about you, Shadera. You obviously care a lot about your animals, and how they're cared for, shipped, etc. You are absolutely right, no one feels the same as you, and you have the right to feel however it is you feel.

I guess I would say that how *I* feel is that - you've gotten your point across. TOTALLY. I can't imagine anyone coming on here to defend how those snakes were shipped to you. However, in this thread, the seller has acknowledged his mistakes. To question his ethics beyond that, publicly, on this forum, in the same thread, without any cause other than shipping his snakes unacceptibly...........honestly, it FEELS more like a witch hunt, and I'm assuming that's not what you're intending to do.

For what it's worth, I don't know Paul, have never done business with Paul, etc. It's just that sometimes, in these threads, the whole purpose of bringing an issue to the BOI is lost in translation, and blows up to be something bigger and more damaging than it needs to be. I think you've made your point, and people now have information on whether or not they will choose to do business with Paul in the future. And THAT is what, IMHO, the BOI is here for.

 

[Fangthane]

I have to agree with Paul here, it seems to me you have taken a shipping issue (one that the shipper has agreed was an error on his part and learned from) and turned it into an all-out attack. You can call the man a poor shipper; but to all-but call him a liar on the genetics and a possible criminal to boot? That seems to be quite a stretch IMHO...

I honestly can't believe that there's such vehement opposition to this thread's existance. In my opinion, this is pretty much the epitome of what an "INFO" post should be. The seller's shipping practices are piss-poor. I don't believe that that assessment is even really debatable. This is information that any of the his potential customers definitely need to know. IF the snakes come out of this ultimately unharmed, it's despite his handling..not because of it.

An individual's credibility online is a very fragile, nebulous thing. To you, it may seem like a big leap to make the connection from lousy shipper to liar to criminal. I'm curious as to how much smoke you need to see before conceding that there just may be a fire. Poor packaging, choosing afternoon delivery, Lacey Act violation..all seem like valid warning points to me. As someone that's been thrown under the bus for nothing more than being a hot-head or knowing the wrong person, I don't see any distictions being made here that I don't think are fair game and pertinent given the circumstances.

 

[brandonsthaman]

Shadera, I appologize that I missed the one other reference to hets.

All I was trying to express was that (IMO) you started this thread with good intentions and relayed important information to the seller and to potential customers. Then, for some reason, it seems (to me) that you went over the line questioning the integrity of the seller by implying that the animals genetics are not as claimed.

FWIW: I would buy animals from either of you given the opportunity (and funds...).

 

[dprince]

FWIW: I would buy animals from either of you given the opportunity (and funds...).

Agreed.

 

[jayefbe]

Shadera, you drove a lot of business away from Paul Buckley over the shipping issue. I agree that his shipping practice was deplorable. But questioning the genetics? Come on. You've gotten your revenge now let it go. You're doing nothing but make yourself look like a vengeful, spiteful, sad sad person.

Get off your high horse.

 

[David Reid]

I think based just on this thread, not knowing either of them, I would MUCH rather buy from Paul than sell to Shadera. You made your point with the way the snakes were shipped. Too draw a conclusion that he must have lied about the genetics because he did not ship the way you thought he should have is outrageous. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Dave

 

[Southern Wolf]

I wouldn't have posted this here. IMO this is a case of someone attempting to do the best by their customer. There is no indication the Mr. Buckley attempted to cut corners "to save money", and there's no indication that he doesn't care for the animals.

Did you even look at the photos. How is that NOT cutting corners to save money. He used a sub standard box.... he then tried to brace up a cell phone box with cardboard pieces.

Once again... I ask.... How is this not cutting corners to save money.

It costs me less than $2 to ship in an approved box with a full 1 inch styrofoam insert on all sides. I build my own boxes... I dont buy premade because I want the extra protection I can get with 1 inch foam. Just a measley $2 for shipping the animals in a safe and secure manner.


As to what Jerry has said up to this point. You have got to be kidding me. Do you really believe everything you type. It is my job to tell the shipper/breeder how to do theirs. Are you kidding me! What if I happend to be a 10yr old kid that finally got to buy his first snake. HOW is that kid gonna know the correct way to ship?

It is the job of the breeder / seller to know what he / she is doing.... not the other way around. I should not have to tell you how to do your job... and if I do.... then you have no business in business.

Sorry... Period .... end of story.

Yes... the seller tried to make good on his screwup with the data on the animal. My hats off to him for that.... but the way he shipped that animal is unexcuseable.

 

[th3jok3r]

I think based just on this thread, not knowing either of them, I would MUCH rather buy from Paul than sell to Shadera. You made your point with the way the snakes were shipped. Too draw a conclusion that he must have lied about the genetics because he did not ship the way you thought he should have is outrageous. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Dave

agreed to many people on here attack and attack and attack he did screw up BIG TIME!! but he means well he threw in a free snake. He did not have to do that I am sure he wont do it again

 

[th3jok3r]

and bad karma for saying what i think?
grow up

 

[David Reid]

When you get bad karma points, just consider the source. My karma is 95% good, the negative points are from losers who usually do not even have the Balls to attach their name to it I stand by everything I say, I have never given negative karma points because people are entitled to their opinion, even if it is wrong ALOT of people in here need to grow up. It is like Highschool drama, but with that, at least people graduated and grew up.

Dave

 

[jglass38]

I think based just on this thread, not knowing either of them, I would MUCH rather buy from Paul than sell to Shadera. You made your point with the way the snakes were shipped. Too draw a conclusion that he must have lied about the genetics because he did not ship the way you thought he should have is outrageous. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Dave

You're ridiculous man. Seriously. Shadera did nothing wrong in this transaction and you want to jump on her. Why shouldn't she doubt the genetics? Someone who doesn't put a second's worth of thought into safely packaging an animal for transit may very well be just as willing to deceive. Maybe someone will post how they have proven out hets from him. But to say you would much rather buy from Paul is just plain stupid.

 

[David Reid]

Jamie, you are entitled to your opinion, even though you are wrong. What is stupid is making the jump from iffy shipping technique to doubting the genetics. Where is the connection? There is not one, just a person wanting attention, getting it, and then going overboard.

Dave

 

[th3jok3r]

Jamie, you are entitled to your opinion, even though you are wrong. What is stupid is making the jump from iffy shipping technique to doubting the genetics. Where is the connection? There is not one, just a person wanting attention, getting it, and then going overboard.

Dave

if its my opinion i cant be wrong its what i believe..... and i agree with you that is stupid shadera is attacking the man and going overboard with the guarenteed hets hitting the guy with low blows. she did the right thing at the beginning of this thread but got carried away with it and dragged it for more than it is worth.

 

[jglass38]

Jamie, you are entitled to your opinion, even though you are wrong. What is stupid is making the jump from iffy shipping technique to doubting the genetics. Where is the connection? There is not one, just a person wanting attention, getting it, and then going overboard.

Dave

I just explained it to you. I figured you would understand. You also are entitled to your opinion, which in this case is wrong. You obviously have a personal problem with her. So you are saying she wanted attention so she brought his disgusting shipping practice to light? Get real David.

 

[th3jok3r]

if its my opinion i cant be wrong its what i believe..... and i agree with you that is stupid shadera is attacking the man and going overboard with the guarenteed hets hitting the guy with low blows. she did the right thing at the beginning of this thread but got carried away with it and dragged it for more than it is worth.

hahah ooops wrong jaime!! scratch that

 

[David Reid]

No, here is what I am saying: She received snakes that she thought could have been shipped better/differently. She emailed him her opinion, and he somewhat agreed. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF IT. Instead, Shadera posted it here, why, because she wanted all the Fauna cronies to pat her on the back and give her attaboys. She should have, or at least could have, left it at the email, but instead, she brought it here, I think, for the attention.

I could get a snake shipped in a styrofoam line box, in deli cups or snake bags, with heat or cool packs,and then bitch and moan that I think there should have been a min/max thermometer in the box. Everyone has different expectations on shipping, and although I do think there is a bare minimum as far as shipping goes, I do not think Paul was so far under that line, to bring it here. I think the email to him was sufficiant.

I do not have anything against Shadera personally, not at all, but I think sometimes on the BOI, a mob mentality forms, and with all the possitive feedback she got about Pauls "poor" shipping, she took it to a new level, regarding the sexing of the Balls and the genetics. She went way past what was needed. I also think she acted irrationally regarding the snake's temps and taking them to a vet to check for Neurological problems. That is not a normal reaction, in my opinion. What is everyones hot spot set to in their ball racks? Now I know, in a rack, snakes can move off of the hot spot, but I would like to hear from a vet as to what temp and for what period of time, can cause heat related problems.

Dave

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Instead, Shadera posted it here, why, because she wanted all the Fauna cronies to pat her on the back and give her attaboys.

Dave

This has NO place on the BOI David. Take it elsewhere.