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Bad Guy Paul Moyer of Monster Reptiles in PA

Overexposure to pesticides period could definitely cause death..I believe we've all read posts from people overexposing snakes to pesticides in attempt to eradicate mites. In fact, an old thread exists in BOI regarding Pest strips possibly killing snakes: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/inquiry2/posts/63.html
COLUBRIDS & MORE Re: PEST STRIP KILLS...
Posted At 04:52:13 11/04/2000
i have been breeding colubrids and boid for 23 years now and i still use pest strip with no adverse affect. you do how ever, need to have ample ventilation to prevent fuming and must contain it in something (i use 1/4 inch wire mesh and make a little cage to put it in)to keep the animal from having direct contact with it. it can be safely used if you know what you are doing.
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The snake was in a plastic tote w/ an entire pest strip, it urinated, and during clean-up on return trip, the strip was discovered & removed. More:

Re: PEST STRIP KILLS... (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 17:43:47 10/23/2000
FROM VPI WEBSITE."VAPONA (PEST STRIP)FUMES CAN CAUSE ANOREXIA,LOSS OF COORDINATION AND DEATH IN SNAKES,SOME SNAKES ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO VAPONA FUMES."WE ARE NOT ADVOCATING THAT THESE PRODUCTS ARE SAFE OR WITHOUT HAZARD"
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I agree a necropsy is needed to pin it down to exact cause, but it certainly makes me wary of using pest strips in small tote w/ a snake. On MSDS & labelling for hotshot pest control strips it states to "avoid contact w/ skin & clothes and rinse for 15-20mins"...for ingestion: "contact Poison control" & "avoid inhaling vapors"... Sounds like it's not something wise to put in a poorly ventilated tote..
http://www.hotshot.com/~/media/Hot Shot/Files/Labels/071121055804.ashx

We're not talking about an issue presenting itself even a week later...this animal showed excessive thirst, and died in a short time frame after purchase..it's still on seller, IMO to make it right....
 
Once again Paul the snakes that were trade to you were also owned by me, so i do have a say in this, as i too had owner rights to this dead het albino tiger. And as for the snake baking in the car.....not possible, i can have the driver post here also, or can put you in direct contact with him so that you can ask him yourself
 
flaggerhunter said:
That would be an awsome snake skin.
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That was real classy.

I would not use a pest strip.They caution with pets and children. We need Jesus to post. He was the dealer. You have a problem with your brother Angel. Jesus has a problem with monster reptiles
 
The temps the day of the show was 86 degrees. Even with the AC on in the vehicle the snake could have been exposed to the sun coming in through the window.
One of my customers had purchased a crestie from another vendor last June and even though they had the AC on in the car, the animal died as they had it sitting on the seat of the car, in the sun.
 
I am going to try an be an adult, as this is a very anger inducing situation. So I will say this again, THE NOW DEAD FEMALE HET ALBINO TIGER RETIC WAS ALSO JOINTLY OWNED BY ME...THE SNAKES THAT WERE TRADED FOR HER WERE ALSO JOINTLY OWNED BY ME...THAT MEANS THAT I TOO HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
 
dragonlvr64 said:
The temps the day of the show was 86 degrees. Even with the AC on in the vehicle the snake could have been exposed to the sun coming in through the window.
One of my customers had purchased a crestie from another vendor last June and even though they had the AC on in the car, the animal died as they had it sitting on the seat of the car, in the sun.
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86 degree temps would NOT kill a retic
 
dragonlvr64 said:
The temps the day of the show was 86 degrees. Even with the AC on in the vehicle the snake could have been exposed to the sun coming in through the window.
One of my customers had purchased a crestie from another vendor last June and even though they had the AC on in the car, the animal died as they had it sitting on the seat of the car, in the sun.
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IMO, cresties aren't a good comparison. They like it cool, whereas this snake could withstand hotspots of well above 86 degrees. Not saying it isn't possible, but I just doubt it in this situation. In those temps we can be certain that the AC in the car was on, or the windows were down and there was plenty of fresh air. Even with the sun coming down, I just don't see it.

How long of a drive do you have from the show to your home? What time did you leave the show?
 
Angel Rojas said:
I am going to try an be an adult, as this is a very anger inducing situation. So I will say this again, THE NOW DEAD FEMALE HET ALBINO TIGER RETIC WAS ALSO JOINTLY OWNED BY ME...THE SNAKES THAT WERE TRADED FOR HER WERE ALSO JOINTLY OWNED BY ME...THAT MEANS THAT I TOO HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
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Alright. Now how about finding a vet to do a necropsy? And how is it "not possible" that the snake baked?

The only way this is going to get cleared up is if you have a vet examine the animal, plain and simple. If you don't do that, this thread will just be going back and forth with speculation.
 
leaveittoweaver said:
Alright. Now how about finding a vet to do a necropsy? And how is it "not possible" that the snake baked?

The only way this is going to get cleared up is if you have a vet examine the animal, plain and simple. If you don't do that, this thread will just be going back and forth with speculation.
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Absolutely agree.
 
Angel/Jesus, you may have to explore other labs/necropsy places, or contact your vet & explain what happened. If I had a snake die on me in that short of time, I know I can take it to my vet & she will have it necropsied for me.

Without a necropsy, it is impossible to say why the snake died, whether it be from over heating or poisoning (from the pest strip).
 
I am not saying 86 degrees would kill it! Temps could have been hotter. It was also said possibly they stopped to eat. Vehicle could have gotten very hot!
 
What? Its dead. I have a 19ft retic skin in my bar. Why would
you waste such a beatiful skin. Pleaae explain.

Sorry for de-railing the thread. I agree will the "baked" idea. I
say a necrotopsy is needed.
 
dragonlvr64 said:
I am not saying 86 degrees would kill it! Temps could have been hotter. It was also said possibly they stopped to eat. Vehicle could have gotten very hot!
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I was just saying it seems doubtful :thumbsup:

I am plenty aware of Angel/Jesus's reputation on the BOI, so I am not accusing nor defending anyone here, just stating my opinion on your post.

I do completely agree that a full necropsy is in order for any real proof to be shown.
 
Angel Rojas said:
So does it make it less valid....I can get the same info for you directly from another site of your choice
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Yes, it might help prove your point if you find something that pertains to reptiles. Your article was pulled from an anonymous drug growing forum that was probably typed by a drug user. Take it how you want but the path ahead is determined by the information you give and once again, it's not enough.
 
monster reptiles inc said:
This is the 7th bowl of water she's drank
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How did the OP rule out water intoxication as a cause of death or a contributing cause?? Ingestion of too much water is known to be a cause of death across multiple taxa of animals....

A gross necropsy probably isn't going to provide enough detail and histology and possibly blood chemistry is also going to be required. If there aren't any local herp vets willing to do all that is required a local vet can send the snake to Northwest ZooPath (see http://www.zoopath.com/).

some comments,

Ed
Ed Kowalski
 
monster reptiles inc said:
paul moyer>All I can say is take her body to a vet and see if they can till you what kill her and if they can find out have them call me then if they till me it's something on my end I'll give you the 2 superdwarfs back
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How much more reasonable can a seller be?
 
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