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Bad Guy PLEASE BEWARE!!! Ricardo Nevarez!

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Hello! I just wanted to let everyone know to be on the look out for this person. He did a very bad trade with me.
I traded him a trio 2.1 of spider ball python morphs all over 300g and in very great shape. He asked if I wanted to trade for a female pastave ball python and a female mojave ball python. I asked him the usual questions...when were they born, how many grams are they, are they eating well, etc. All the answers he told me seemed to be legit along with the pictures. I agreed to the trade and we sent the packages the same day, all snakes arriving in good shape on both ends.
Mind you the trades happened a little less than three weeks ago. Well a couple days ago the female mojave ball python started acting funny and flopping everywhere and my first thought was definite seizure. I contacted him in a hurry by email, no reply from him. i contacted him again...still no reply by email. I then contacted him by his phone number and i finally got a reply from him...he said he would not replace it and that it was all my fault. (ive been in this business for awhile and i know that siezures can stay dormant in a ball python). No more than two hours later she passed. Well today is 9/23/13 and the second snake I received from him started having seizures, regurgited, keeled over and died. As a result I am not at all pleased with this and it hurts that he would do nothing about it...he got three amazing snakes and I got shafted big time.
Please if you deal with him take precautions and be aware that you might be getting very sick snakes.

His information:
Ricardo Nevarez
Phone number: 818-205-5214
Email: [email protected]

Here's the link of my post that he contacted me about.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=422772
 

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The snakes arrived outwardly healthy, and thrived for over 2 weeks; then suddenly started flipping around & died quickly? What about this scenario leads you to believe it was the seller's fault (other than the obvious, that it couldn't be yours)?
Did you take them to the vet, before OR after they died? If I had a couple of new arrivals die in that manner, I would be too concerned about my other animals not to investigate the cause.
 
They looked healthy when they arrived. He did lie about them shedding a couple of times when clearly they still hadn't had their first shed. They ate fine when I fed them and I didn't suspect any problems until the first one started having siezures...I was very surprised by this.
The scenario of the 'who it's his fault not mine' is because I've been doing this for awhile and I'm not a simple hobbiest. Also I have a very big and expensive collection that has no problems. From what I saw from him he was a person who just flipped for money and traded. It's not my fault...I know that for a fact.
I already know enough people to know what was going on...there was no point to spend an enormous amount of money on a vet.
Don't get me wrong...I am concerned about my other animals but, at the same time what he did was not right at all.
 
If you say so...but the reality is, the deaths are unexplained. A necropsy might have given you answers. Only if it showed that the deaths were due to a condition that predated your purchase would you really have a claim (unless the seller offered an extended health guarantee - but I think you would have mentioned that, if it was the case).
 
It's IBD. Simple as that...you can think what you want and try to be a "white knight" about everything... It's not always as clean as you think. Everyone's got a chip on their shoulder and yes in this perfect world of yours were deaths are unexplained even though if you look high and low for seizures across the board you will find ibd at the tip top if not the only cause next to genetic line I.e. both are pre existing so yeah? Point being not everyone sells from a clean clutch if I could live in your world were it wasn't so cut and dry and all clutches were clean good disease and genetic dysfunction free, I would gladly be there. I digress and stress that yes dealing with herps for a long time and having worked for reputable people I can without a doubt say this is what it is... Spending funds for a necropsy on what isn't a mystery is a waste through and through.
 
So you are stating that you are certain that you introduced IBD to your "very big and expensive" collection, and are unwilling to waste the money to confirm that? I'm sorry, but that is just foolish.
 
So you are stating that you are certain that you introduced IBD to your "very big and expensive" collection, and are unwilling to waste the money to confirm that? I'm sorry, but that is just foolish.
 
MickeyChristina said:
They looked healthy when they arrived. He did lie about them shedding a couple of times when clearly they still hadn't had their first shed. They ate fine when I fed them and I didn't suspect any problems until the first one started having siezures..
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Mind sharing the size of these snakes that were eating well for you before their first sheds? Were they kept in the same rack? Were their enclosures being monitored for temperature spikes? Were any other animals kept in the same vicinity? Two young snakes that seemed outwardly healthy dropping like that with no warning screams keeper error or equipment malfunction. I think it's silly not to get a necropsy done though. Might smell like fish and look like fish and still be chicken.
 
MickeyChristina said:
I digress and stress that yes dealing with herps for a long time and having worked for reputable people I can without a doubt say this is what it is... Spending funds for a necropsy on what isn't a mystery is a waste through and through.
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From what I have read, even veterinarians do not diagnose IBD by simply looking at a snake or evaluating clinical signs.
 
To be clear, I don't recommend necropsies for any/every snake that dies...but there are times that it just makes sense. Bizarre neurological symptoms leading quickly to death, to me, seems like one of those times - ESPECIALLY when the keeper is convinced that it is IBD. I would have it done, and be hoping against hope that I was wrong until I got the results (and probably for some time after).
For one who claims to be so knowledgeable and experienced, the thought of an IBD exposure should cause an intense reaction; if for no other reason than what it could mean to that big and expensive collection. The cost of the testing is a pittance when compared to the potential losses.
Further, to haphazardly make the claim that Mr Nevarez sent her snakes with IBD is inappropriate due to the impact such a statement can make. It's just one of those accusations you don't make without something called proof. Had she thought this through, she might have considered that such an exposure should compel her to stop all sales rather than put anybody else's animals at risk.
 
hhmoore said:
To be clear, I don't recommend necropsies for any/every snake that dies...but there are times that it just makes sense. Bizarre neurological symptoms leading quickly to death, to me, seems like one of those times - ESPECIALLY when the keeper is convinced that it is IBD. I would have it done, and be hoping against hope that I was wrong until I got the results (and probably for some time after).
For one who claims to be so knowledgeable and experienced, the thought of an IBD exposure should cause an intense reaction; if for no other reason than what it could mean to that big and expensive collection. The cost of the testing is a pittance when compared to the potential losses.
Further, to haphazardly make the claim that Mr Nevarez sent her snakes with IBD is inappropriate due to the impact such a statement can make. It's just one of those accusations you don't make without something called proof. Had she thought this through, she might have considered that such an exposure should compel her to stop all sales rather than put anybody else's animals at risk.
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I have to agree.
 
The second snake died yesterday. Get it necropsied and tested for the PMV's (OPMV, LPMV, etc) as well as IBD. The PMV's are a bigger issue as they're more easily transmitted, QT in a different room isn't adequate. Any animal under the same roof is at risk.
 
I PM'd Mr Nevarez about this thread last night. He has visited the site today, but did not read my message (unconfirmed read receipt).
 
ms. konu, could you define seizure? Also, could you describe your quarantine procedure and where you keep your well established expensive collection? How long have you been keeping snakes, how many do you have and how are you keeping them?
 
IBD can only be diagnosed with a blood/tissue sample that shows inclusion bodies. It's also extremely uncommon in ball pythons, and does not manifest as random seizures followed by death.

However, seizures and rapid death could easily be caused by an environmental toxin (treating for mites, household cleaners, pesticides, etc).
 
Ibd can only be "diagnosed" through certain organ biopsy. Even then, diagnosis not 100% guaranteed. Many many many other traits and illnesses mock ibd. Ibd still is very far from being understood and being a pure diagnosis. Only a necropsy and pathology study can reveal ibd, even then it may not. Its a specific cell with a specific inclusion body within that cell has to be present under at least 100x microscopic view.
 
MickeyChristina said:
Everyone's got a chip on their shoulder and yes in this perfect world of yours were deaths are unexplained even though if you look high and low for seizures across the board you will find ibd at the tip top if not the only cause next to genetic line I.e. both are pre existing so yeah?
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I've read literally dozens of stories of extreme neurological episodes and sudden death resulting from temperature spikes or high heat exposure, even briefly. You are off your rocker if you think that basically every case of seizures leading to death is attributable to IBD or genetics. It also means you're not nearly as clever as you think you are, and I predict this thread is about to go badly for you. You have made an unprovable and highly damaging claim against a seller with zero proof and specious evidence... I would be surprised if people still buy from YOU after this.
 
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I've read literally dozens of stories of extreme neurological episodes and sudden death resulting from temperature spikes or high heat exposure, even briefly. You are off your rocker if you think that basically every case of seizures leading to death is attributable to IBD or genetics. It also means you're not nearly as clever as you think you are, and I predict this thread is about to go badly for you. You have made an unprovable and highly damaging claim against a seller with zero proof and specious evidence... I would be surprised if people still buy from YOU after this.
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:iagree: ^ That.

You want to know why?

You are saying IBD was introduced into your home but are not testing for it. So how exactly are you proving it is not anywhere else in your collection?

:shootfoot <--- Know what that means?
 
The flopping around sounds like overheating, and this thread is eerily similar to my experience with Thomas Dorn. Lucky is over 600 grams now and in good hands, but he posted a video in which she didn't have motor control, due to his own inexperience and arrogance.

A hatchling that hasn't had its first shed is like 60 grams. Surely when you asked their weights, hatch dates, etc. this would have come up?

I think the OP is done posting here, but I'd sure like some more information.
 
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