Powerhouse Reptiles Truths

[Junkyard]

Well sweetie if you dont get enough money from posting this bs statement then you should really look into politics because that was by far the worst kiss butt story i have ever heard.

I think we need an IP address looked into here.

When his Mojo's were not selling he found out some other large breeders, whom he had been a customer of, were advertising their animals at a high market price, but selling their animals at prices well below market value out the back door, and on the down low. No wonder his phone wasn't ringing.

I know Joe stated that this was the case when he decided to give his customers the same kind of back door treatment. I have personally given and been the recipient of back door deals through friends. All businesses do this. Movie theater employees give friends free tickets, Disneyland employees give friends/family members free tickets, McDonalds employees give friends/family members free food, car dealers give friends/family members a deal on cars, companies give out stocks.

Just because it happens behind the scene, that does not mean it should set the industry prices. I thought that reasoning by Joe was full of BS. It came down to him wanting to sell as many snakes as he could. They said they were over stocked in snakes and wanted to move them out as fast as possible so they had room for the upcoming stock.

Had I called and big breeder (whom none I worship) I would not have been given any kind of a deal. These deals were personal, not business.

 

[MikeCurtin]

I just sold a bunch of womas at about 60% what the market is....that is called wholesale. I could list them publicly for that price, because this is my hobby, not my job. If I did this, however, the dealer who bought them would be rightfully P.O.'d and would probably not do business with me again.

In other words, don't piss in the well...one day you may need to drink from it.

 

[RJK890]

Junkyard,
If you are suggesting that I am marcus101, then you have a reading comprehension problem.

Marcus quote was insinuating that Joe had paid Jennifer to post the original post in this thread, that it was untrue, and that She could have a political career because it was a good kissbutt cover up.

I think that Jennifer just confirmed the important info that her Dad left out of his inaccurate, third party, negative feedback post in the thread I started. I believe her post here to be true, and would not suggest that she is being paid to lie, and is so good at it that she could have a career in politics.

BTW, I think it is funny that some of Y'all do not feel like Joe's post was third party because he is Jennifer's Daddy. Maybe Clark should have had his Dad work things out with her Dad .
I am sure if the Father of a customer of yours was on here posting misinformation, and calling you a scumbag, you would be singing a different tune.

 

[BallBoutique]

Where do I start?

Where do I start?

A great question for myself.



To Cat….I was never in a contractual agreement with Wes nor Joe. So I was not their partners.

I paid up front for the animals I purchased from Wes and Joe to resell. Why? To make some cash!

You see when I received an email from Ozzy that said so what if I flip animals…..I have built a nice collection for myself. So I went into that adventure. At this time I have close to 100 animals or eggs on the ground. I also have others that should lay also. I do not wish to get clogged down in animals to feed and clean so I am just selling my stock. And I have folks waiting for them when I produce them. And I have not taken a dime for them!



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Again I will say that Joe has/had a BIG mouth! Too me he over stepped his ranting about pricing etc.

To call him a scumbag to me is a tad harsh. But that’s up to you. But the animals that were/are sold are second to none. Yes I have a few snakes coming to my facility today that were shipped yesterday by Power House Reptiles. I will open the box up and into my main collection. Why? Because they keep a very tight ship in their collection



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I am also receiving another shipment from another breeder today as well. They will be placed in quarantine. Why you ask? For the protection of my collection. Now here is a kicker or punch line! I wanted a male pin and I was asking folks if they would sell one for $350.00 shipped all said no. Offers as low as $400.00 shipped. And I waited. Well this person agreed and so I bought him. He called and I asked him what else he had. Then he said black pastel female I said how much. He said $250.00. I said sold and sent a Pay Pal to him. Now lets be honest folks that is dirt cheap…Is it not? $600.00 for both and he pays for shipping! Could this sale be Joes fault? You see the pricing for these animals in ads! Yes I waited but prices will always drop it is supply and demand.



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I heard that there is a breeder out there that has 10,000 ball eggs on the ground now……do you think he will want $10,000.00 for a pied, pin, spider? You do the math…..Feed them once a week 40,000 rats a month wow. Gee maybe I should call him up. Hold on to your pants folks. This person will set the tone for the ball market and rumor has it that the other “big breeders” are just a tad upset. You see I am in the biz to make a few bucks and try and make different morphs. I do not depend on the biz to cover my needs. Why get a pin and black pastel Rick? You might ask. Simple, because I want them for breeding projects. By the time they breed they will be the price of a good looking normal. I know that and I would hope that you know that.



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Now I know some of you folks will have saliva dripping from your mouth to pick apart my post and slam me because I wrote something nice about Joe’s snakes. I have never had one bad phone call or emails from all the animals I sold last year that were mine and the animals I flipped. Go figure? So if I am a scumbag too. I don’t care. There are too many of real scumbags to be dealt with. I could bang a few names out there in other threads but why? I just don’t do business with them. I will take a bad mouth guy who gives great healthy animals then a sneaky guy who kisses your butt and sell you real sick and dead animals any day!



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As far as responding to this posts. Nah I have work to do with my collection. Yea I will read from time to time but why worry I give the customer what they want and I love this hobby/business way to much then to get into all the big DRAMA……so go at it! This will be fun to watch.



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Shhhhhh I am waiting for the door bell to ring! Film at 11:00! Good luck to all who breed these great little pudgy animals!



RicK

 

[SPJ]

Where do I start?

A great question for myself.



To Cat….I was never in a contractual agreement with Wes nor Joe. So I was not their partners.

I paid up front for the animals I purchased from Wes and Joe to resell. Why? To make some cash!

You see when I received an email from Ozzy that said so what if I flip animals…..I have built a nice collection for myself. So I went into that adventure. At this time I have close to 100 animals or eggs on the ground. I also have others that should lay also. I do not wish to get clogged down in animals to feed and clean so I am just selling my stock. And I have folks waiting for them when I produce them. And I have not taken a dime for them!



Next

Again I will say that Joe has/had a BIG mouth! Too me he over stepped his ranting about pricing etc.

To call him a scumbag to me is a tad harsh. But that’s up to you. But the animals that were/are sold are second to none. Yes I have a few snakes coming to my facility today that were shipped yesterday by Power House Reptiles. I will open the box up and into my main collection. Why? Because they keep a very tight ship in their collection



Next

I am also receiving another shipment from another breeder today as well. They will be placed in quarantine. Why you ask? For the protection of my collection. Now here is a kicker or punch line! I wanted a male pin and I was asking folks if they would sell one for $350.00 shipped all said no. Offers as low as $400.00 shipped. And I waited. Well this person agreed and so I bought him. He called and I asked him what else he had. Then he said black pastel female I said how much. He said $250.00. I said sold and sent a Pay Pal to him. Now lets be honest folks that is dirt cheap…Is it not? $600.00 for both and he pays for shipping! Could this sale be Joes fault? You see the pricing for these animals in ads! Yes I waited but prices will always drop it is supply and demand.



Next

I heard that there is a breeder out there that has 10,000 ball eggs on the ground now……do you think he will want $10,000.00 for a pied, pin, spider? You do the math…..Feed them once a week 40,000 rats a month wow. Gee maybe I should call him up. Hold on to your pants folks. This person will set the tone for the ball market and rumor has it that the other “big breeders” are just a tad upset. You see I am in the biz to make a few bucks and try and make different morphs. I do not depend on the biz to cover my needs. Why get a pin and black pastel Rick? You might ask. Simple, because I want them for breeding projects. By the time they breed they will be the price of a good looking normal. I know that and I would hope that you know that.



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Now I know some of you folks will have saliva dripping from your mouth to pick apart my post and slam me because I wrote something nice about Joe’s snakes. I have never had one bad phone call or emails from all the animals I sold last year that were mine and the animals I flipped. Go figure? So if I am a scumbag too. I don’t care. There are too many of real scumbags to be dealt with. I could bang a few names out there in other threads but why? I just don’t do business with them. I will take a bad mouth guy who gives great healthy animals then a sneaky guy who kisses your butt and sell you real sick and dead animals any day!



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As far as responding to this posts. Nah I have work to do with my collection. Yea I will read from time to time but why worry I give the customer what they want and I love this hobby/business way to much then to get into all the big DRAMA……so go at it! This will be fun to watch.



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Shhhhhh I am waiting for the door bell to ring! Film at 11:00! Good luck to all who breed these great little pudgy animals!



RicK

Rick,
I don't think anyone will rip you apart for saying the snakes from Joe are of good quality.
To me at least, it's not about price or quality with this topic. It's about who they are coming from.
Like I said before, Joe could be selling pieds for $10 and I still would not buy one only because I refuse to give HIM money.
I can't understand why people would partner with this guy. He makes used car salesman look like angels.
Why doesn't he do this on his own? I'll tell you why I think he won't. He has no clue about raising/breeding BP's, has a terrible personality (once he reveals what he is truly like), and needs to hide behind someone who has a good rep in the community to sell anything.
Once people find out the money from a purchase will go into Joe's pocket, they decide to go elsewhere no matter how good his prices are.
It's Joe who is disliked. Not his animals or his pricing.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Great post Rick.

 

[BallBoutique]

Rick,
I don't think anyone will rip you apart for saying the snakes from Joe are of good quality.
To me at least, it's not about price or quality with this topic. It's about who they are coming from.
Like I said before, Joe could be selling pieds for $10 and I still would not buy one only because I refuse to give HIM money.
I can't understand why people would partner with this guy. He makes used car salesman look like angels.
Why doesn't he do this on his own? I'll tell you why I think he won't. He has no clue about raising/breeding BP's, has a terrible personality (once he reveals what he is truly like), and needs to hide behind someone who has a good rep in the community to sell anything.
Once people find out the money from a purchase will go into Joe's pocket, they decide to go elsewhere no matter how good his prices are.
It's Joe who is disliked. Not his animals or his pricing.

Yea but I can take a guy who has a big mouth any day then to have a can of prevent a mite follow after you get their animals! Or you discard them cause they are dead in a week. I have received animals from "big breeders" and they look like it has been a long time since their last meal! So do what ya gotta do!

Oh just received my animals. Better looking in person then in photo....Thanks Clark!

 

[RJK890]

Another great transaction

My .2 Pinstripes arrived about 20 minutes ago, and are Perfect.

 

[BallBoutique]

So you are the guy who bought the 2 females LOL!

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I think we need an IP address looked into here.

* jo49er 208.127.52.52
* marcus101 208.127.52.52

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Dennis slides in...and takes 'em out!

 

[varnyard]

Great post Rick.

Yea Good Post, however, to tell people that he is no longer dealing with Joe, well is that a lie now? Seems Rick has a problem with a few stories.

Can anyone say caught with the hand in the cookie jar? You bet ya!!

 

[BallBoutique]

Yea Good Post, however, to tell people that he is no longer dealing with Joe, well is that a lie now? Seems Rick has a problem with a few stories.

Can anyone say caught with the hand in the cookie jar? You bet ya!!

What stories Bobby?

 

[David Reid]

After all the BS fades away, it is simply about a decision not to buy from someone that has done the things Joe has done. If you choose to buy from Joe, you are allowing him to stay in business, and perpetuating the problem. ANYONE associated with Joe in any way, including his customers, will never see a sale or trade from me.

 

[varnyard]

What stories Bobby?

Well Rick, did you tell anyone you were no longer dealing with Joe? If so, is that telling stories?

 

[BallBoutique]

After all the BS fades away, it is simply about a decision not to buy from someone that has done the things Joe has done. If you choose to buy from Joe, you are allowing him to stay in business, and perpetuating the problem. ANYONE associated with Joe in any way, including his customers, will never see a sale or trade from me.

Great news!
I will not ask you to purchase an animal......gee perhaps you lost a few bucks!

 

[BallBoutique]

Well Rick, did you tell anyone you were no longer dealing with Joe? If so, is that telling stories?

That is not a lie! I said I was not selling his animals. That what I said! The last shipment was for MY collection. OK Perhaps it was not understood what was said. I be a fool not to get and purchase animals that are nice a clean and grow up just fine. Perhaps you think I am a fool that might be true but I am not stupid! I will not purchase animals that are over priced any more. You can but I am done spending high bucks for something I can buy on the money....I was a fool before but I have seen the light!

 

[varnyard]

That is not a lie! I said I was not selling his animals. That what I said! The last shipment was for MY collection. OK Perhaps it was not understood what was said. I be a fool not to get and purchase animals that are nice a clean and grow up just fine. Perhaps you think I am a fool that might be true but I am not stupid! I will not purchase animals that are over priced any more. You can but I am done spending high bucks for something I can buy on the money....I was a fool before but I have seen the light!

Ok there Rick, you are not selling his animals, but you are, what one is it? No stories? I think you need to think again. As for fools, well anyone that reads this with half a mind will not be fooled by you, you are like a bright bulb on a dark night, you actions shine real bright.

All I can say is " Carole Ann stay away from the light"...

BTW, there are at least three here not to buy from, the self-proclaimed giant ass clown, and his two ass crack monkeys. JMHO.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Varnyard writes:

Yea Good Post, however, to tell people that he is no longer dealing with Joe, well is that a lie now?

Well Bobby, as I read Rick's post(s), I don't see him having to mis-state the words and actions of others, mis-characterize associations, suggest ulterior motives, etc., to besmirch those whose opinions he does not agree with.

 

[varnyard]

Well Bobby, as I read Rick's post(s), I don't see him having to mis-state the words and actions of others, mis-characterize associations, suggest ulterior motives, etc., to besmirch those whose opinions he does not agree with.

Well I don't need to read his posts to get the real story, he is supporting a known scumbag and is well known for hocking snakes that were/are not bred by him. Enough said!!