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Powerhouse Reptiles Truths

David Reid said:
After all the BS fades away, it is simply about a decision not to buy from someone that has done the things Joe has done. If you choose to buy from Joe, you are allowing him to stay in business, and perpetuating the problem. ANYONE associated with Joe in any way, including his customers, will never see a sale or trade from me.
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You bet David, and you are not alone, there are many that feel the same, regardless of how cheap he drops them down. In the end all one needs to do is look at who they are supporting. I will take ten Ralphs, Bobs, or Gregs over the likes of this over inflated turd.
 
Without You...

Originally Posted by David Reed:
Rob, my man, you have missed the boat on what Joe is like, and anyone supporting Joe, never gets my business. Joe single handedly caused me to (I) put my wallet away a couple of years ago, with his Mojave crash, and I have not spent a dime since, on any Ball!
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and then...
Originally Posted by David Reed:
After all the BS fades away, it is simply about a decision not to buy from someone that has done the things Joe has done. If you choose to buy from Joe, you are allowing him to stay in business, and perpetuating the problem. ANYONE associated with Joe in any way, including his customers, will never see a sale or trade from me.
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Somehow, I think things will be alright for us without your business.

I am not concerned with future sales and could care less if half of the reptile community puts me on the "black list" for purchasing animals from any particular breeder.

There is not one legitimate complaint posted about Joe's animals. Just one misinformed third party negative feedback post left by a troll and competetor, which was cleared up by his own daughter, the actual customer. These threads are full of a bunch of, I don't like his prices, personality, and attitude, so anybody that deals with him will never see my business. If that's how you feel, then it's been nice not knowing you.

Junkyard,
Sorry man. I guess I am the one with the reading comprehension problem. When I saw my post quoted with marcus101's quote, and a call for an IP check, I thought you were suggesting that I were him. I apologize for the tone of my reply.
 
It was never about Joe's animals, it was about Joe himself, and how he treated PAST customers, and the Hobby in general. Those of us who are in reptile breeding for life, treat it that way, those who want to make a quick buck and then go do something else for awhile, treat it the way Joe does.

Rick, I would rather sell 25 Balls a year, that I produced, and produced without a scumbag partner, than be in your shoes. Think about it, why do/did you have to lock all your ads, and why do you say not to PM you? I will answer my own question, because you do not want 20 negative posts about you and your associates right under one of your ads. Those that cannot do, teac...never mind, those that cannot do it themselves, take up knobs as partners.
 
Spelling Bee?

Originally Posted by David Reid:
Rob, my man, you have missed the boat on what Joe is like, and anyone supporting Joe, never gets my business. Joe single handedly caused me to (I) put my wallet away a couple of years ago, with his Mojave crash, and I have not spent a dime since, on any Ball!
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and then...
Originally Posted by David Reid:
After all the BS fades away, it is simply about a decision not to buy from someone that has done the things Joe has done. If you choose to buy from Joe, you are allowing him to stay in business, and perpetuating the problem. ANYONE associated with Joe in any way, including his customers, will never see a sale or trade from me.
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Somehow, I think things will be alright for us without your business.

Sorry David Reid,
Spellcheck didn't pick that up for me.
 
Cat_72 said:
Not true....there ARE spiders that do not wobble. While it seems to be unfortunately prevalent, there ARE spider who do not wobble, and people that are working with breeding only those to see if there may be a chance of at least lessening the occurance of the problem.
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Agreed. Im glad this was commented on. Mine does not. And i am one of those who plans to work with them to see what can be done.

The fact that people pass it off as " not a big deal" Is just another problem.
 
David Reid said:
It was never about Joe's animals, it was about Joe himself, and how he treated PAST customers, and the Hobby in general. Those of us who are in reptile breeding for life, treat it that way, those who want to make a quick buck and then go do something else for awhile, treat it the way Joe does.

Rick, I would rather sell 25 Balls a year, that I produced, and produced without a scumbag partner, than be in your shoes. Think about it, why do/did you have to lock all your ads, and why do you say not to PM you? I will answer my own question, because you do not want 20 negative posts about you and your associates right under one of your ads. Those that cannot do, teac...never mind, those that cannot do it themselves, take up knobs as partners.
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I am sorry if you are mad cause you can not or others post to my ads. I had trouble with the PM's so I could get back to them. My email was blocked by comcast to notify me that I had a PM. I want to have contact with my customers. I want folks to see the ad and if interested they will contact me. I don't think you can attack on ads so I think you are wrong in your statements. So folks who really want one of my animals contact me and business is conducted in a professional matter. So they will be locked.
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Not to turn this into a "Wobble" debate, but...

Originally Posted by Cat_72:
Not true....there ARE spiders that do not wobble. While it seems to be unfortunately prevalent, there ARE spider who do not wobble, and people that are working with breeding only those to see if there may be a chance of at least lessening the occurance of the problem.
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Some may not display the wobble, but their offspring may. Kevin has said that the original Spider was a wobbler, so I think all Spiders, and Spider combo's have the potential to wobble. I also think it is great that some breeders are working with Spiders that do not display the wobble to see if there may be a chance of at least lessening the occurance of the problem

Originally Posted by Mooing Tricycle:
Agreed. Im glad this was commented on. Mine does not. And i am one of those who plans to work with them to see what can be done.

The fact that people pass it off as " not a big deal" Is just another problem.
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I don't think it is so much that people pass it off as " not a big deal" as it is just a well known, and accepted fact that Spiders, and Spider combo's have the potential to wobble. Would you have every breeder just cull any Spider morphs that wobble, and do you plan on doing so? If so, then Kevin should have killed the original one and we would not have any of the various Bee's, Albino Spiders, Spinners, etc.
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It is well known that most Spider, and Spider combo's have the wobble to some degree. Some have it as hatchlings and loose it later, some do not have it as hatchlings and develop it later, and some may never display it but their offspring may?
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In this case it was a slight wobble that progressively got worse over seven months or longer. How long should a breeder be obligated to replace a Spider Morph after a sale, should it develop a more severe wobble? I think Power House has set the bar a lot higher than most breeders would be willing to jump.
 
I do not even think Jim breeds Balls, but he HAS to get in on evey post on the BOI. I wish they had the ignore feature....

Rob, we will just agree to disagree, but again, if you were not around to see the damage Joe did, on purpose, then you really do not know the whole story.
 
RJK890 said:
I don't think it is so much that people pass it off as " not a big deal" as it is just a well known, and accepted fact that Spiders, and Spider combo's have the potential to wobble. Would you have every breeder just cull any Spider morphs that wobble, and do you plan on doing so?
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If my spider produces ANY babies that wobble, i will probably keep them, or find homes with GOOD friends that i can watch, so the animals arent given away. And also never breed the male, or the babies. If an animal can live a full life, without much adverse effect, im not for culling them unless its OBVIOUS they will not live with a good quality of life. I think its a big deal when people keep breeding REALLY Bad wobblers just because they pass it off as something that happens with the spider gene. Theres no reason that people cannot be selective, and work at seeing if we can remove this problem. I love bees, Id love to produce my own someday, and other spider morphs, but i wont do it if its going to cause other animals to carry on a trait that i dont desire in any of my collection.
 
David R. writes:
I do not even think Jim breeds Balls, but he HAS to get in on evey post on the BOI. I wish they had the ignore feature....
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:rofl: First off, I believe they have an ignore feature here !

Secondly, I'm not sure of your age, but I had my first ball python in the '60's. Were you born yet ?

Thirdly. Want to bet that you have posted in more threads than me in 2008 ?

I'm also from Baltimore, ball python capital of the world. Ever see 100 pieds in the same room? :rofl:

Let me guess that you weren't on the Debate Team in school?

Pssst: I not only have worked plenty with "balls", I also got a nice pair. :rofl:
 
I was born in '68.

Just because you finally took the hint, and toned down your posting in '08, does not mean you have not been a forum whore in the past.

No, in High School, the debate team was for losers that could not get girls, I chose to play tennis, soccer, run track, and lifeguard. Yeah, tennis may be considered a sissy sport...

Who cares how many Balls you have seen...

I will look for that ignore feature.

Feel free to email me if you want to continue, unlike you, I will not hijack a thread just to hear myself speak.
 
Larry Suttles said:
This is false by a long shot.
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Why do you say that Larry? I mean that would only be roughly 2000 females dropping eggs..... :>poke2<:
 
David,
So let me see ... forgive me, but its hard to type when laughing .... you say I'm a "forum whore" :rofl: Guess I should be getting paid for this :rofl:

I choose to believe that all who posted their experiences with Joe/Clark were telling the truth. Weren't paid (as alleged), weren't using an alias (as alleged), weren't lying (as alleged), actually "can do" (as alleged they should be "teaching"), and actually have extensive knowledge. BTW, speaking for myself, I've already forgotten more than you've learned. Many can deal with reading those opinions and experiences, and still have a low opinion of Joe themselves. You, on the other hand, have to "allege". It wasn't enough to say what you would of Joe/Clark. It wasn't enough to disagree with others. You, and others, had to try to discredit those who told the truth of actual dealings.

Like you alluded to, "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach". And then there's those woeful souls who can only elevate themselves by pushing others down. Wave to the crowd David :wavey:
 
Dennis Hultman said:
* jo49er 208.127.52.52
* marcus101 208.127.52.52
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Thanks Dennis!

Robert, nope, never suggested or even thought it was you! Just the name Joe came to mind when I read that post by marcus101!
 
Chameleon Company said:
I choose to believe that all who posted their experiences with Joe/Clark were telling the truth. Weren't paid (as alleged), weren't using an alias (as alleged), weren't lying (as alleged), actually "can do" (as alleged they should be "teaching"), and actually have extensive knowledge.
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Dennis Hultman said:
* jo49er 208.127.52.52
* marcus101 208.127.52.52
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And... just to be clear, does that mean you also believe every detail of every transaction both of those individuals have ever had? There are a few reports of extremely negative transactions with Joe.

Then there's the blatant threats of blackmail that Joe used to get his own way over at Reptile Auctions. Definitely not upstanding honest behavior.

And... because it really may need to be pointed out to some people; anytime you want Jim to show up in a thread and stick his head inside his rectum (where it's all warm and cozy and tough to see anything that might bother him) just mention Wendy Childs.
 
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