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Precision Nick 11-07-2008 06:38 PM
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Video From Our Facility
Some video from one of our greenhouses. A nice group of Ambilobes being raised up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=923B5Ie4JV0
Cameron B 11-07-2008 06:42 PM
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FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:00 PM
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Very nice Nick,.. thanks for sharing.. Are you chameleons "sunning" or do you always keep them in those enclosures?...
Ray
Vegas Chad 11-07-2008 07:04 PM
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I like the set up that you have in the green house, however mixing locals in area? How are you telling the female locals apart? Can you tell an Nosy female apart from any other local of female?
Nicodemayo 11-07-2008 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas Chad (Post 145879)
I like the set up that you have in the green house, however mixing locals in area? How are you telling the female locals apart?
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Beat me to the post.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:06 PM
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I have many of those enclosures, some shaded, some in more sealed greenhouses to control temperature. Multiple sizes as well. I alternate them as they progress in size then separate cretin ones based on growth rate, color, local, sex. They are kept in enclosures similar to that all their lives until they are shipped out. I love open air housing! Nothing replicates natural sunlight and fresh air!
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas Chad (Post 145879)
I like the set up that you have in the green house, however mixing locals in area? How are you telling the female locals apart? Can you tell an Nosy female apart from any other local of female?
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very good point...
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:09 PM
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Why would i Mix locals?! are you guys nuts

each "Cube" has a separate Local and size range. All the cubes are also heated under mulch and in the trees at the flick of a switch.
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145882)
I have many of those enclosures, some shaded, some in more sealed greenhouses to control temperature. Multiple sizes as well. I alternate them as they progress in size then separate cretin ones based on growth rate, color, local, sex. They are kept in enclosures similar to that all their lives until they are shipped out. I love open air housing! Nothing replicates natural sunlight and fresh air!
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well you definitely live in the place to do it, I'm jealous... i get like 2-4 months out of the year i can sun my group...i like the set up..
i do wonder about the mixing of locales though, females specifically
CleanLineChameleons 11-07-2008 07:12 PM
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Yea I thought the same thing, and how do you know what sire is with what dame and what locale sire is with what locale dame and what locale is the dame? But the set up is nice, I only worry about temps sense most were on the ground.
Just my initial thoughts.
Chris
AncientCritters 11-07-2008 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145885)
Why would i Mix locals?! are you guys nuts

each "Cube" has a separate Local and size range. All the cubes are also heated under mulch and in the trees at the flick of a switch.
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I belive in the video I heard there was Ambilobe and Nosy Be in the same area.
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:12 PM
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you said in the video.. " here are some ambilobe's mixed in with some nosy be's... unless you ment mix/hybrid...
Vegas Chad 11-07-2008 07:13 PM
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Quote from the video.
“Looks like we have aaaaaa some ambilobe mixed in with some Nosy Be’s in here.”
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:17 PM
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they were on the ground because i had just transferred them to that cube. The enclosure are heated. I never mix locals unless breeding intentionally. And i do check temp ranges from all sections constantly... anything else fellas?
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:19 PM
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nope, looked like it for a second, the cube opposite that one has a mix of future breeders, not nearly as many though.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:21 PM
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All chams are acrylic dotted under the tail from 2inches up, to distinguish sex and locals. Can send any of my guys to pack and transfer without them knowing anything. its a great system
Orchidartist 11-07-2008 07:22 PM
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Thanks for sharing the video! Must be paradise
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:22 PM
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Not trying to offend or throw "jabs" here, just wondering... posting a video on this forum..trust me you will be reprimanded if the slightest thing looks suspect...
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145897)
All chams are acrylic dotted under the tail from 2inches up, to distinguish sex and locals. Can send any of my guys to pack and transfer without them knowing anything. its a great system
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Nice.......
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:24 PM
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that's unfortunate, reminds me of "Fauna"

lets just all say nice chams and enjoy, not play 50 questions.
I love you all!
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:27 PM
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Tomorrow i will add some video of our baby sections and some local breeding areas. Wait until you guys see Night video!! My favorite, there are hundreds sleeping in the leaves in bunches, it is awesome!
Vegas Chad 11-07-2008 07:28 PM
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Im all for everybody breeding chameleons, like many others they are my passion and the reason for this forum; and I am jealous of the area that you have to work with... id kill for that kind of weather and space... But really man... Coming out onto KingSanke getting banned in the Fauna BOI, then starting to burn your bridges with the online chameleon / reptile community all in one week is a bad idea man. You are obviously excited about what you got going on but you really need to tone it down a notch guy.
Take note on the meaning of this word.
"Humility: the quality of being modest or respectful"
Chuck G 11-07-2008 07:31 PM
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Nothing like a friday night lynch mob! I love you guys!
Good luck Nick. If everythings not right,our crew will straighten it out for you.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:33 PM
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Vegas chad take it easy pal, im not putting all your business on the streets
I am excited about life buddy, i have been breeding chams for 10 years and exporting most of them to Japan, just because im new for you im sorry. My personality can seem agressive through text but beleave me thats not my intentions.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:34 PM
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FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck G (Post 145907)
Nothing like a friday night lynch mob! I love you guys!
Good luck Nick. If everythings not right,our crew will straighten it out for you.
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haha... i love chuck g....
Nick, good luck indeed man... i hope only the best for you and your endeavors...
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 07:36 PM
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i am here to meet friends and have fun, not fight and have to explain myself. I think your being very rude chad.
I still love you though.
Chuck G 11-07-2008 07:38 PM
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i am here to meet friends and have fun, not fight and have to explain myself. I think your being very rude chad.
I still love you though.

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Sorry,Chad is mine.
AncientCritters 11-07-2008 07:39 PM
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Looks like a great place to raise some chams. Im not gonna let mine look at the video cause they will be jealous.
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:40 PM
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haha....... off subject- the Suns are getting WORKED by Derek Rose and the bulls....i wanna cry..
AncientCritters 11-07-2008 07:42 PM
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FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 07:47 PM
________________________________________about the suns losing!!!!
Nicodemayo 11-07-2008 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145897)
All chams are acrylic dotted under the tail from 2inches up, to distinguish sex and locals. Can send any of my guys to pack and transfer without them knowing anything. its a great system
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That guy that was shedding, i hope you plucked him out and remarked him! You wouldnt want to mix anyone up now would you!
Vegas Chad 11-07-2008 07:55 PM
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*sigh* You just don’t get it, do you? Keep digging your hole man. LoL... If you think I am being rude then I think you are being a dumb bass... I am not trying to sound rude, im not threatened or concerned about people buying chameleons from you. In fact, the more the better to grow the hobby, I don’t care. I am not going to turn this into another BOI thread; it’s not the place for it. I expunge myself from this thread.
Chuck, I will be up to bed soon darling.
summoner12 11-07-2008 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145895)
nope, looked like it for a second, the cube opposite that one has a mix of future breeders, not nearly as many though.
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A mix? How do you know who mated with who when they are all mixed?
Nicodemayo 11-07-2008 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by summoner12 (Post 145926)
A mix? How do you know who mated with who when they are all mixed?
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ive been wondering that too. Hes been avoiding a clear answer to that question.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:06 PM
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I don't care who mates who color wise, as long as they are all pure, i save the color morphs for the designer guys. W breed for local specific only.
I actually Misted the whole cube for the 1 guy shedding then remarked him 1/2 hour later, and gave him a kiss(he wasent happy with me).
Thanks for the sarcasm

Again i love you all
I just took some night video i am loading it now, i cant wait to share it, you guys are gonna go nuts!
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:08 PM
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Avoiding?!?! is this another lynch mob. If i had 10 or even 20 breeder id be concerned who "sired" who.
When you ave hundreds of breeder your less concerned, just focusing on locality not color specifics.
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 08:09 PM
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ive been wondering that too. Hes been avoiding a clear answer to that question.
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I have to agree with Chad on the tone it down thing and let chuck know that I am jealous of what he and Chad have going on.
I am seeing the same thing. I have asked the same question on a previous thread and received no answer.
I have to say I love the facility , looks great!
And I don't love everyone, but I try.


TylerStewart 11-07-2008 08:09 PM
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I'm still looking for the explanation of the Nosys mixed in with the Ambilobes... It was pretty clear to me in the video.
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FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:11 PM
________________________________________suns lost.......
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:12 PM
________________________________________i wanna see the night video..!
AncientCritters 11-07-2008 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by forever endeavor (Post 145918)
about the suns losing!!!!
:d
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yes!!! Go bulls!!!:d
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 08:15 PM
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yes!!! Go bulls!!!:d
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Fresno! what about your Kings in Sac.
summoner12 11-07-2008 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerStewart (Post 145932)
I'm still looking for the explanation of the Nosys mixed in with the Ambilobes... It was pretty clear to me in the video.
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Is someone warming the tar?
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:16 PM
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nigh video loading now, its the Sambava 2-3 inch cube(one of my faves!)just ran out and took it when i walked the dogs. Little chilly temp around 65F brrrr.
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:17 PM
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Nick,....nice....
everyone else,.. why all the Suns hatred?

everyone knows phx is gunna take it....
Nicodemayo 11-07-2008 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145942)
nigh video loading now, its the Sambava 2-3 inch cube(one of my faves!)just ran out and took it when i walked the dogs. Little chilly temp around 65F brrrr.
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Thats getting pretty cold. You better turn on the heated trees when it gets close to morning!
AncientCritters 11-07-2008 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan Jarosek (Post 145939)
Fresno! what about your Kings in Sac.

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100% Bulls fan. No matter where I live at the moment. I got love for the Kings and Clippers. You will notice I left one Cali team out
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AncientCritters (Post 145946)
100% Bulls fan. No matter where I live at the moment. I got love for the Kings and Clippers. You will notice I left one Cali team out

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yup , the best one too..
summoner12 11-07-2008 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AncientCritters (Post 145946)
100% Bulls fan. No matter where I live at the moment. I got love for the Kings and Clippers. You will notice I left one Cali team out

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DaBulls
(from chi

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FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:22 PM
________________________________________hahaha... SNL classic
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AncientCritters (Post 145946)
100% Bulls fan. No matter where I live at the moment. I got love for the Kings and Clippers. You will notice I left one Cali team out

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Oh the ones who choke. cough cough. Uh oh , I know I just pissed someone off.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:27 PM
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since your soo observant of the video perhaps you did see the heat cabel wrapped in the trees, haha wise guy.
Wont get cold enough for that tonight, thanks though
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:29 PM
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Oh the ones who choke. cough cough. Uh oh , I know I just pissed someone off.
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not me.... phx all the way...
no doubt, asphyxiation or not...the lakers are by far the most talented team in cali by far...
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FOREVER ENDEAVOR (Post 145953)
not me.... phx all the way...
no doubt, asphyxiation or not...the lakers are by far the most talented team in cali by far...
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What about the Sparks.


Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:31 PM
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Night video is a go!
Get the lynches out, tar and hate time


FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:32 PM
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What about the Sparks.



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hahahahahahaha
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145955)
Night video is a go!
Get the lynches out, tar and hate time



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hahaha....
summoner12 11-07-2008 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145952)
since your soo observant of the video perhaps you did see the heat cabel wrapped in the trees, haha wise guy.
Wont get cold enough for that tonight, thanks though

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How effective is that? Isn't that a bit of a fire/burn hazard do your chameleons? Why not use ceramic heaters?
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:36 PM
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Nicodemayo 11-07-2008 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by summoner12 (Post 145958)
How effective is that? Isn't that a bit of a fire/burn hazard do your chameleons? Why not use ceramic heaters?
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hes been breeding for 10 years and has exported to japan. He knows what hes doing. Im super cereal.
AncientCritters 11-07-2008 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FOREVER ENDEAVOR (Post 145959)
where's the video?
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I dont see it either
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicodemayo (Post 145960)
Im super cereal.
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lol.......?
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:38 PM
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yea it burns them all thats why i use it, duh?!
Trace 11-07-2008 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145955)
Night video is a go!
Get the lynches out, tar and hate time



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Ok. I'll bite.
You said:
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All the cubes are also heated under mulch and in the trees at the flick of a switch
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Considering that chameleons are arboreal, doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of undertank heat? Also, they naturally like to bask in the sun so why have heat cord unnaturally warming their feet and undersides?
I guess because a lot of your specimens seem to be on the ground - partly to avoid the dominate male in the tree - I guess the undertank heating is appropriate. The stress they must be feeling is not.
Good luck with your venture.
Trace
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:45 PM
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you are so foolish, i only heat when it gets very cold! they bask all day, you stink of jealousy, Play nice, here to be friends not fight all night, chameleons arboreal!!!! BS, on the ground because i dropped them in their moments before recording!
dante8858 11-07-2008 08:45 PM
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Video looks great!....wish I had warmer weather here to do something like that for my mellers. It is either to hot or to cold here! Good luck in your quest!
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:46 PM
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my venture, hahahahahahhahahahahaahahhah it was a venture in 99 pal, good luck breeding in tanks!



Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:47 PM
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I LOVE Mellers, we have some wc's roaming outside eating everything that moves LOL
summoner12 11-07-2008 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145967)
my venture, hahahahahahhahahahahaahahhah it was a venture in 99 pal, good luck breeding in tanks!




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Trace isn't a pal... not male, or your friend..... Just remember she is a mod

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FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:48 PM
________________________________________where's the video!?
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 08:49 PM
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Would you say they are sleeping in a dark forest???
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:49 PM
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Next round of interrogation, Ready Set Go!
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by summoner12 (Post 145969)
Trace isn't a pal... not male, or your friend..... Just remember she is a mod

.
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chameleon elite......
Trace 11-07-2008 08:50 PM
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you are so foolish... you stink of jealousy,
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Oh my gosh, THAT is quite possibly the funniest thing I've heard all day. Don't call me pal either.
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145965)
Play nice, here to be friends not fight all night, chameleons arboreal!!!! BS, on the ground because i dropped them in their moments before recording!
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I'm sorry, I don't get it. Why would you want to drop them. Why do you want to film them doing things they don't normally do?
Trace
summoner12 11-07-2008 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan Jarosek (Post 145971)
Would you say they are sleeping in a dark forest???
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oooooh boy....
Justin Carl 11-07-2008 08:52 PM
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I need some butter for my popcorn.
Does anyone have any?
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:52 PM
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Sorry trace.
I was relocating two smaller groups in to a bigger cube for this weeks sale.
Sorry again, just getting tired of being drilled here, again just trying to ne friends.
Cameron B 11-07-2008 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin Carl (Post 145976)
I need some butter for my popcorn.
Does anyone have any?
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Cooking some now. Be over in 5?
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summoner12 11-07-2008 08:54 PM
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Too bad im out of popcorn
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Originally Posted by Justin Carl (Post 145976)
I need some butter for my popcorn.
Does anyone have any?
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The other day I got this white chedder stuff you put on after you butter.... it was pretty good!
Cameron B 11-07-2008 08:56 PM
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The other day I got this white chedder stuff you put on after you butter.... it was pretty good!
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I'm not cooking that kind. Justin, sorry if this disappoints.
cainschams 11-07-2008 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145965)
here to be friends not fight all night
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You dont seem to be doing a good job.
You have a nice place to do some great things. You can get a lot of great advice around here but getting defensive and negative towards others is not the way to go about it. Maybe some advice is needed to better run your operation or go about things.
(SP)
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 08:58 PM
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Just YouTubed another video from tonight.
Hope you enjoy
dante8858 11-07-2008 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145968)
I LOVE Mellers, we have some wc's roaming outside eating everything that moves LOL
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Yeah I hear you there....my guy has eaten all of the leaves that were left on his Ficus!

and now he is living in a bare tree!

Justin Carl 11-07-2008 08:59 PM
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Parmesan cheese is good.
Hmmmm.... Where did I put that?
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:00 PM
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Again, better run my operation!
im sorry but i have produced thousands of Panthers for years now, and chances are guys you think are breeding more than they lead on, bought them from me.
Has anyone here produced 1 thousand panthers?!
They can advise me
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:01 PM
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I feel you, my guys leave battered ficus in their paths all day LOL
SoCaliSon 11-07-2008 09:02 PM
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Well...Speaking for myself I would never buy a cham from you based on the you could be selling crosses as pures...cause they look pure, as you have failed to acknowledge the question about why Nosy and Ambis were mixed. Do it how you want, not the way to rasie animals you advertise at "pure Locals".
Marc10edora 11-07-2008 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145882)
I have many of those enclosures, some shaded, some in more sealed greenhouses to control temperature. Multiple sizes as well. I alternate them as they progress in size then separate cretin ones based on growth rate, color, local, sex. They are kept in enclosures similar to that all their lives until they are shipped out. I love open air housing! Nothing replicates natural sunlight and fresh air!
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Did you have to use a special type of glass in the sealed greenhouse? Or did you go with the standard greenhouse glass?
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 09:03 PM
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davider 11-07-2008 09:04 PM
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Hey man, just chill

You are here to meet new friends. I like your place, you lucky dog you.
BTW where's the night video!?! You are getting us all excited for no reason. LOL
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon (Post 145987)
Well...Speaking for myself I would never buy a cham from you based on the you could be selling crosses as pures...cause they look pure, as you have failed to acknowledge the question about why Nosy and Ambis were mixed. Do it how you want, not the way to rasie animals you advertise at "pure Locals".
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Ditto ..... I will take my business elsewhere.
Nick , Jerry , whatever your name is.
Dark forest , Precison or what ever your name will be tomorrow.
Thanks for stopping by
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:07 PM
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Actually a green house Plastic, My locals are more pure than you can claim, believe me! My locals are so pure you questioning them is a joke to me! If they were crosses i would sell them as soo. At $99 i dont think people would hesitate. your judging based on one cube out of..well...alot
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by davider (Post 145990)
Hey man, just chill

You are here to meet new friends. I like your place, you lucky dog you.
BTW where's the night video!?! You are getting us all excited for no reason. LOL
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the video is on youtube..
davider 11-07-2008 09:08 PM
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NVMD I just youtubed it. Nice shout out..
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:09 PM
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Night vid's are up, i am certainly not here to plead for anyone's business. Just trying to show some cool stuff, but again the "haters are in the house"
TylerStewart 11-07-2008 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145985)
Has anyone here produced 1 thousand panthers?!
They can advise me
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For what it's worth, I've probably produced 1,000 panthers... And I don't believe that you have anywhere near "hundreds" of adults. I'd love a video of that.
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 09:11 PM
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alright now... everyone....lets just enjoy the videos..
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Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:07 PM
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Actually a green house Plastic, My locals are more pure than you can claim, believe me! My locals are so pure you questioning them is a joke to me! If they were crosses i would sell them as soo. At $99 i dont think people would hesitate. your judging based on one cube out of..well...alot
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by davider (Post 145990)
Hey man, just chill

You are here to meet new friends. I like your place, you lucky dog you.
BTW where's the night video!?! You are getting us all excited for no reason. LOL
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the video is on youtube..
davider 11-07-2008 09:08 PM
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NVMD I just youtubed it. Nice shout out..
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:09 PM
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Night vid's are up, i am certainly not here to plead for anyone's business. Just trying to show some cool stuff, but again the "haters are in the house"
TylerStewart 11-07-2008 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145985)
Has anyone here produced 1 thousand panthers?!
They can advise me
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For what it's worth, I've probably produced 1,000 panthers... And I don't believe that you have anywhere near "hundreds" of adults. I'd love a video of that. So far all we've seen is a bunch of babies in a tree, mixed locales crawling around the floor of a cube, while you tell us all how amazing it is. Nobody is "hating" on you or out to get you, just that when people claim things so outrageous and you seemingly showed up overnight, you're gonna get called on it.
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 09:11 PM
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alright now... everyone....lets just enjoy the videos..
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:12 PM
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put your money were your mouth is and ill prove you ohhhh so wrong on the breeder count.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:13 PM
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all the haters from vegas, like a hater cult, dave chapell haters ball, you guys are the winners.
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145999)
put your money were your mouth is and ill prove you ohhhh so wrong on the breeder count.
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Yeah right Jerry
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summoner12 11-07-2008 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerStewart (Post 145996)
For what it's worth, I've probably produced 1,000 panthers... And I don't believe that you have anywhere near "hundreds" of adults. I'd love a video of that.
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in ten years... since he was 16 he produced
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145996)
produced thousands of Panthers
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Might be convincing to some.
Cameron B 11-07-2008 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145985)
Again, better run my operation!
im sorry but i have produced thousands of Panthers for years now, and chances are guys you think are breeding more than they lead on, bought them from me.
Has anyone here produced 1 thousand panthers?!
They can advise me
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Alright, I typically stay out of this kind of stuff. However, Nick, it's in your better interest and integrity that should you want to "be friends" then you should play that way.
If you've produced thousands of panthers, that's great. Congratulations, in fact. There are plenty of knowledgeable people here on the forums that would be willing to share information I'm sure, but the way you're going about things isn't the way to do it. Even if you don't want the advice or knowledge shared, you're still lacking in the "be nice" department.
The questions asked here started out generalized as I see it. They were simple, and I too had the same questions. I don't think original intentions were to attack you, but when you're responses attack others, what do you expect? The generalized questions I speak of are the following:
1. How do you separate locales, and why do you house Nosy's with Ambilobe's? You've said something about cubes, but I'm still not completely clear on this. I understand you moved "next weeks sale" into a cube, and it appeared to be just males, but that's all you had to say.
2. How are you separating females, and how do you know locales on them?
3. Why heat the tree? You answered this now.
There were/are ways to go about answering the above questions. Hostility wasn't the best way, I fear. I do believe most questions were asked in an honest manner, and your honest and civil answer is all it would take to clear up the question. When you say things in a calm manner and answer the question as proposed, it only helps you. One, you're answering questions that many have just in general. Two, you're building a rep in a potential customer base. Let's face it, while you may not be new to the hobby, you're new to us. We'd like to know where you come from, and how you raise your animals. It's not a knock, but an inquiry. I'd love to give you my business (as I'm sure others have thought to do too), but such questions are imperative to many of us here. We care a lot for our animals (just as you say you do), so the husbandry from day one is key info that many of us like to have.
Bottom line here is that you can still try and redeem yourself. Whether you want to do that is up to you, but I'm assuming that in the best interest of your company and you, it would be more wise to just get civil and not consider every question a knock on your business. I had the same questions many had here, and they weren't meant in a negative way.
I've seen your ad. It's enticing, but I want to know more. Will you answer?
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:16 PM
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this is nick actually, you can bet too, a very credible "Mike" will be here this week to confirm. Bets anyone?
Lets bet on 100 breeder and not 20 or whatever you think i have.
summoner12 11-07-2008 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 145999)
put your money were your mouth is and ill prove you ohhhh so wrong on the breeder count.
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Why don't you just produce a video of all your live stock. Show us the truth, and maybe people will believe your claims.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:18 PM
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You think the vegas crew asked in a kind manner!!!!! joke right?
i mentioned the color dotting system did i not?!
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:19 PM
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I will answer any questions about my animals and my facility.
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146009)
You think the vegas crew asked in a kind manner!!!!! joke right?
i mentioned the color dotting system did i not?!
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Everyone , I can answer for Jerry . He is not going to answer the qustion about mixing locales.
summoner12 11-07-2008 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146010)
I will answer any questions about my animals and my facility.
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Who is the "vegas crew"?
Cameron B 11-07-2008 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146009)
You think the vegas crew asked in a kind manner!!!!! joke right?
i mentioned the color dotting system did i not?!
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Actually, yes. He originally did ask in a nice manner. Here is what Chad originally asked before getting hostile after seeing your attack-like responses:
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Originally Posted by Vegas Chad (Post 145879)
I like the set up that you have in the green house, however mixing locals in area? How are you telling the female locals apart? Can you tell an Nosy female apart from any other local of female?
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Cameron B 11-07-2008 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146009)
You think the vegas crew asked in a kind manner!!!!! joke right?
i mentioned the color dotting system did i not?!
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Actually, yes. He originally did ask in a nice manner. Here is what Chad originally asked before getting hostile after seeing your attack-like responses:
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Originally Posted by Vegas Chad (Post 145879)
I like the set up that you have in the green house, however mixing locals in area? How are you telling the female locals apart? Can you tell an Nosy female apart from any other local of female?
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Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:21 PM
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Maybe i will, then you can come up with some more BS like i am cloning adults. Why would i lie about breeders? to seem credible? i sell allllll day long, why would i have to convince anyone here i am not what i say i am?
And you think im out of line?
Crazy...
Vegas Chad 11-07-2008 09:21 PM
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We roll 2 deep. They be put'n HaterAid in the water here I guess. Back to hitting refresh every 5min.
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 09:22 PM
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i think we should all go get hammered......
davider 11-07-2008 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas Chad (Post 146015)
Back to hitting refresh every 5min.
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LMAO..I am doing the same Chad
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Originally Posted by FOREVER ENDEAVOR (Post 146016)
i think we should all go get hammered......
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I am in!
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FOREVER ENDEAVOR (Post 146016)
i think we should all go get hammered......
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get hammered and read this ,.... Good stuff
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=119906&page=2
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:24 PM
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If Tiki Tiki under produces this year just call me, ill cut you a great deal!!
Cameron B 11-07-2008 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan Jarosek (Post 146018)
get hammered and read this ,.... Good stuff
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=119906&page=2
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I knew it was only a matter of time before that was posted.
davider 11-07-2008 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas Chad (Post 146015)
Back to hitting refresh every 5min.
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LMAO..I am doing the same Chad
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Originally Posted by FOREVER ENDEAVOR (Post 146016)
i think we should all go get hammered......
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I am in!
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FOREVER ENDEAVOR (Post 146016)
i think we should all go get hammered......
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get hammered and read this ,.... Good stuff
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=119906&page=2
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:24 PM
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If Tiki Tiki under produces this year just call me, ill cut you a great deal!!
Cameron B 11-07-2008 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan Jarosek (Post 146018)
get hammered and read this ,.... Good stuff
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=119906&page=2
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I knew it was only a matter of time before that was posted.
Cameron B 11-07-2008 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146019)
If Tiki Tiki under produces this year just call me, ill cut you a great deal!!
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I don't think the concern is whether Chad can out produce you or not. I think the concerns were validity of husbandry. Simple questions that you are continually attacking back with.
I can only imagine the attack you'll give me just for saying this. Let the good times roll. Bar brawl?
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:26 PM
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search for some good reviews, you'll find plenty. When you sell to alot of people you cant make everyone happy.
TylerStewart 11-07-2008 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146009)
You think the vegas crew asked in a kind manner!!!!! joke right?
i mentioned the color dotting system did i not?!
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I couldn't have been more kind in my questioning, and it was the same questions you are still dodging (and that everyone else had). The color dot system is a joke, you can't possibly keep up with every shedding animal and "re-dot" their tails.
As was said before, just like in the BOI, you went from a simple inquiry to being half buried in a day, and it has everything to do with your attitude.
I think I'm done for tonight, early morning motocross race tomorrow. I'll have to hang up my pitchfork and hot tar for now.
Nicodemayo 11-07-2008 09:29 PM
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If Tiki Tiki under produces this year just call me, ill cut you a great deal!!
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"Nick" believe it or not, some of us breeders shoot for quality over quantity.
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:29 PM
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Your a joke, the color system has been utilized here and in Europe for years, i have a 5 man staff, we manage to re dot just fine. You could all probably learn alot from me if you dropped your egos.
Cameron B 11-07-2008 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146029)
Your a joke, the color system has been utilized here and in Europe for years, i have a 5 man staff, we manage to re dot just fine. You could all probably learn alot from me if you dropped your egos.
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LOL. kthxbai.
summoner12 11-07-2008 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146029)
Your a joke, the color system has been utilized here and in Europe for years, i have a 5 man staff, we manage to re dot just fine. You could all probably learn alot from me if you dropped your egos.
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I think your ego is bigger than all of us put together
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 09:31 PM
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settle down jerry Personal attacks are not necessary.
Vegas Chad 11-07-2008 09:31 PM
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Hey man, to tell you the truth I was considering getting a few from you. Needless to say that now I am glad that I did not! I don’t worry about producing any # of animals, what I have gets the best care that I can muster, I don’t have to spend my day running around a green house checking dot patterns on chameleon tails wondering if I mixed up a local thus giving my friends (customers) sub prime or misrepresented animals. With the less than 100 animals that I have it takes me all day to care for them properly. How the heck can you give personal attention to you chameleon mill?
Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:31 PM
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look at my animals and tell me they are not quality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quantity pays the bills, quality in quantity, try that next time
Chams are 20% of my business we breed GTP'S, Assorted lizards and many other snakes.
cainschams 11-07-2008 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146029)
Your a joke, the color system has been utilized here and in Europe for years, i have a 5 man staff, we manage to re dot just fine. You could all probably learn alot from me if you dropped your egos.
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Precision Nick 11-07-2008 09:33 PM
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keep your money chad, i would never sell to you ever ever ever. Your loss not mine.
My name is NICK
JERRY is my friend and partner
get it right
Ryan Jarosek 11-07-2008 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146034)
look at my animals and tell me they are not quality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quantity pays the bills, quality in quantity, try that next time
Chams are 20% of my business we breed GTP'S, Assorted lizards and many other snakes.
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Do you raise them all in the Dark forest Jerry?
summoner12 11-07-2008 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146034)
Chams are 20% of my business
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No wonder you don't care about your reputation here.......

summoner12 11-07-2008 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146034)
Chams are 20% of my business
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No wonder you don't care about your reputation here.......
FOREVER ENDEAVOR 11-07-2008 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Nick (Post 146029)
Your a joke, the color system has been utilized here and in Europe for years, i have a 5 man staff, we manage to re dot just fine. You could all probably learn alot from me if you dropped your egos.
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i think everyone needs to drop the egos... 12000 chamleons or 1.... its kindda the reason i dont come on here to often anymore... to many threads like this one.. i respect most the people here as well as any new comers... but come on children....lets calm down a bit...
Cameron B 11-07-2008 09:35 PM
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I wish my photo posts would get this many replies.