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Jay did not buy anything from Whitefeather he received the snakes in a trade which I had no knowledge nor did I authorize it.
When Jay entered the trade with Whitefeather he did not no the snake were mine.
After talking to Jay, It sound like he will do the right thing.
Will keep you people on the BOI informed.

peace out!!!!
Will slough

ps no it Andy who works for N.E.R.D TURN TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
 
I just got of the phone with Jay, I thought he was going to do the right thing he is not. He is worried about reputation being dammaged, IT IS .
your just like whitefeather a theif.
I made a comment while I was intoxicated at a reptile show that mike had to trade somthing of mine because he had nothing expensive. Jay and mike never told me what the trade was at dinner, because mike knew the snake were mine and I would have never got rid of them. jAY AND MIKE keep me in the dark until mike went to jail.
Jay as long as you have MY SNAKES, YOU ARE A THEIF.
 
Man this is one of those times I was hoping to be wrong. I am so sorry to read this. When I read your first post saying that Jay was going to do the right thing I felt a cheer inside and was glad to be wrong in my predictions that he would never give you your snakes back. And now I read this and my spirits sink. Just take comfort in the fact that a lot of people have experienced things like this in the past and that every dog has its day. Karma comes back to visit us all eventually.

Will, please post a number or email me with a number I can call you at. I would like to speak with you about this and maybe I can help you.
 
I don't think Will's post is totally clear. My employee and I went to dinner with Michael Whitefeather and Will Slough along with some people at animal plastics. We went to Outback Steakhouse. During dinner the topic of trading animals came up between Whitefeather and Slough. Will asked, "What did we trade for?" and Whitefeather replied," You'll have to come to my house to see for yourself, you'll be totally happy." Will did not have one negative comment, and was looking forward to seeing what he got. We had a great time at dinner. Later that evening Will and Whitefeather along with a couple guys from Freedom Breeder, came up to my room to look at one of the adult albino tigers. At that point, in front of everyone, he said it was one of the coolest retics he had seen, and was looking forward to seeing his new snakes.(trade that Whitefeather had done). Will and Whitefeather left that night with Whitefeather driving first to Whitefeather’s so Will could see their new snakes. We had given Will an extra vendors badge because he said he wanted to come down Sunday and display his crazy new ball python morph on our table. We were stoked. But he never showed up. We didn’t hear back from him until a week before the "Prehistoric -Whitefeather post". We are going to do the right thing by helping Will get receipts for the trade that was done so he can get back the snakes that were rightfully his.
I normally would not post anything that has to do with a business deal but in this case I feel that it is best so there are no misunderstandings, and the truth is laid out.
 
To: PreHisStolen Pets

Jay: "We are going to do the right thing by helping Will get receipts for the trade that was done so he can get back the snakes that were rightfully his."

The snakes that are rightfully his are the original snakes that belonged to him that Whitefeather traded without his knowledge. To "do the right thing" you need to give them back. It's obvious even in your own distorted post that Will only knew what they were getting, not what they were using to trade, HIS snakes. Even by your own words here in your post it is TOTALLY clear that Whitefeather and you completed the entire trade and that Will was completely in the dark. How can he be in the dark if it is HIS snakes being traded??

Give them back Jay. Stop capitalizing on other peoples pain, suffering and loss.
 
I'm not sure I understand all of this but.....

:argue:

First of all, doing the right thing depends on what one considers the right thing.

If someone bought a snake from another breeder and thought the deal was legit and didn't know that the snake actually belonged to someone else, why should they give the snake they purchased back to someone they knew nothing about.

In other words, this guy Andy obviously bought a snake from this guy Whitefeather.....Andy thought the deal was legitimate......then one day this other fellow named Will Slough comes along and says....Hey, that's my snake give it back.....Whitefeather didn't have the right to sell you that snake. As far as I can see it is Whitefeather that owes Will Slough either the animal or the money.....not this guy Andy. Will should either buy the animal from Andy and then get reimbursed from Whitefeather or chalk it up to a bad mistake, not to be made again.

This guy Whitefeather has obviously been a moron for a long time and yet eveyone acts like they only just found out.....Why would someone go into business with someone and not look into their reputation?

Then we come to this guy Jay.....if he did a trade with Whitefeather and he thought everything was on the up and up, why is it that he should give back the snake. It is no different than the deal Whitefeather did with the guy Andy. Once again, Slough should get his money or an animal of equal value from Whitefeather....he is the one that has done something wrong.

Sorry Mr. Slough, but the people that are victims of Whitefeathers can't be held responsible for the wrong doings of Whitefeather.
Is there anyone else here on this board that understands what I am trying to say?? And one last thing, I do not know any of the people involved in this whole fiasco....I only know what I have read here on the BOI.


Grace Winchester
 
Ps. I forgot to say was mike also sold the tiger albino female that he traded my snake for (with out me knowing) for $3000.

peace out!!!
Will
 
Grace,

In MHO a person who bought stolen property can be held liable to the true owner even if the buyer acted in good faith and without knowing who the original owner was. As far as I understand, if in fact it can be demonstrated that the item belongs to another person it will have to be returned. Maybe someone more versed in law can clear this point.

Regards.
 
Sorry, but No. Stolen property is stolen property.

By selling another's snakes, Whitefeather in effect STOLE those snakes. They instantly became "Stolen property". Stolen property must be returned to the rightful owners when it is recovered. Look it up, it's the law in every state. Period. No if's and's or but's.




Grace said:
:argue:

First of all, doing the right thing depends on what one considers the right thing.

If someone bought a snake from another breeder and thought the deal was legit and didn't know that the snake actually belonged to someone else, why should they give the snake they purchased back to someone they knew nothing about.

In other words, this guy Andy obviously bought a snake from this guy Whitefeather.....Andy thought the deal was legitimate......then one day this other fellow named Will Slough comes along and says....Hey, that's my snake give it back.....Whitefeather didn't have the right to sell you that snake. As far as I can see it is Whitefeather that owes Will Slough either the animal or the money.....not this guy Andy. Will should either buy the animal from Andy and then get reimbursed from Whitefeather or chalk it up to a bad mistake, not to be made again.

This guy Whitefeather has obviously been a moron for a long time and yet eveyone acts like they only just found out.....Why would someone go into business with someone and not look into their reputation?

Then we come to this guy Jay.....if he did a trade with Whitefeather and he thought everything was on the up and up, why is it that he should give back the snake. It is no different than the deal Whitefeather did with the guy Andy. Once again, Slough should get his money or an animal of equal value from Whitefeather....he is the one that has done something wrong.

Sorry Mr. Slough, but the people that are victims of Whitefeathers can't be held responsible for the wrong doings of Whitefeather.
Is there anyone else here on this board that understands what I am trying to say?? And one last thing, I do not know any of the people involved in this whole fiasco....I only know what I have read here on the BOI.


Grace Winchester
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Maybe i read it differently but...

What I got from Jay's post was NOT that Will was in the dark about the trade... But that Will KNEW that Whitefeather was making a trade and was excited to see what he ended up getting for his snakes.

I have friends that I trust completely enough to barter and deal with my animals, my money and my property- it sounds like Will had given Whitefeather permission to complete a transaction.

If Whitefeather and Will were not friends or business partners, how did Whitefeather get posession of the snakes in order to trade or sell them?

As has been said... Legally, stolen property laws may or may not force the return or financial compensation of the snakes here... But morally and ethically, it looks like Will just made the wrong kind of friend and is now trying to make other people pay for his mistakes in judgement.
 
Hey Will, could you please explain why you told Jon T ( in my presece) at Tinley that the calico was Micheals to do with as he wished.
 
Thanks for bringing that up again Al!!

In case you missed it the first time Will....


Will-
Remember talking to me outside the hotel at Tinley???? I remember talking to you! You just so happened to tell me that the calico that Andy had purchased from Michael was not yours but in fact Michael's. You said that you were just telling people it was yours just to piss them off.... Any of this ringing any bells?!?

I'm anxiously awaiting your response!
:D :D :D
Toodles!
Jon Tarutis
 
What About the Buyer of

the albino tiger retic? If Whitefeather traded for an albino tiger and then sold it for $3,000 without Will knowing it then shouldn't Will go after the person that now owns it? I know such an animal is for sale at Kingsnake and there are only a very limited number of these animals available in the world. Is this the animal you traded Jay for and Whitefeather subsequently sold without your knowlege? Why haven't you posted about the buyer since this party is the one that bought a hot snake as I see it? Hell, Jay has purple phase albino retics for sale at $3,000 on his website so anyone that buys an albino tiger at that price should know something's fishy.
 
Yes, I know Chad

and figured he'd obtained that animal from you since I'm well aware you're the originator of those beauties. I was on the phone with you the day you hatched the first one and you sent me a pic, remember? Have to think super tiger albinos are not far away, eh?
I didn't think Chad would knowingly be involved buying a hot animal any more than you would be. I'm just wondering why if Will knows who has what then why has he singled you out here? I think his only recourse is to go after Whitefeather but personally I doubt if he'd ever see a penny from him especially if he's in the slammer. Hope you and Will can both square everything up.
 
This is to Jon Tarutis,
who ever your are, I was told the snake was dead prior to tinley park.
I was told in november that the snake is alive and doing great at andy place who works for nerd.
Yes the snake was to be sold to mike for $7500 still, waiting for dime one . NICE TRY ON YOUR LIE.
 
It seems to me that Will made the mistake of trusting Whitefeather with his snakes and has become a victim of his own poor judgement. Apparently he is trying to blame others instead of taking responsibility for his own poor business decisions. Of course, this is just my opinion.

Matt Roberson
 
Interesting Will....regardless of whether or not the snake is alive or dead you still told me that the snake was Michael's...I know you don't know who I am...nor do I really care....what I do care about is that you told me (with Michael standing next you) that the snake was Michael's all along.... I thought the calico was yours but once you told me yourself that it was Michael's I apologized to Michael for doubting him.
Now if we go along with your story....you shouldn't be trying to collect from Andy you should be trying to get the money out of Michael... is it Andy's fault that Michael never paid you for the animal before he re-sold it?!? Now when I talked to Michael at Tinley (with you standing there)...you were already well aware that the snake had been sold by Michael....now why didn't you try to collect from Michael?!? Looks to me that you are grasping at straws to make up for some poor business decisions....
Should you try your intoxication bit again...perhaps you shouldn't conduct business while you are in an impaired state of mind... especially when dealing with animals of this value.
 
Thank you John, for pointing this out.

I mean, I get hammered and make business deals for high dollar animals all the time. NOT!

Let's face it, he made a blind business deal with two of the worst reputations in the business for ethics and husbandry. I can't believe that no one saw this coming?

TC
 
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