Providence Reptiles (inquiry)

[Cat_72]

I believe that was ruled as severe depression and instigative substances (steroids). Either way, ever taken steroids? I know plenty of people who do, doesn't really make any difference except sometimes they are irritable. I think I can get over someone being in a bad mood for a while, either way, I was just trying to say that this thread is about the reptile trade and personal experience with a seller, not to put your noses where they don't belong. People are going to do whatever they're going to do, whether it's legal or not. People buy drugs because they want em, simple as that. Whatever people are doing, if it don't hurt nobody but themselves, then it's not my business.

I was torn over which of your posts to quote....each one seems to be more ingorant than the other in some way. But this one really got to me...steroid use doesn't do anything but make people "irritable"?? Are you REALLY that dumb?

A little more ACCURATE information about ABUSE of HGH:

Although supervised growth hormone therapy in the case of a deficiency syndrome is generally quite safe, with few side effects, the situation regarding illicit hGH enhancement may not be so positive.

One of the most common side effects of hGH misuse is acromegaly. The onset of this disorder begins with an overgrowth of bone and connective tissue that leads to a change in facial appearance, such as a protruding jaw and eyebrow bones. Acromegaly can also lead to abnormal growth of the hands and feet, and a shortened life expectancy. A summary of other reported side effects of hGH enhancement include:

Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar, risk of diabetic coma)
Glucose intolerance/ diabetes mellitus (high blood sugar)
Inadequate thyroid function
Acromegaly (irreversible)
Heart enlargement (may be irreversible)
Heart damage
High blood pressure
Premature ageing and death (especially in the case of acromegaly)
Water retention
Thickening of the skin
Abnormal hair growth (hirsutism)
Liver damage
Impotence

Many of the effects from long-term administration of this drug are irreversible. Some of the effects can induce life-threatening conditions or shorten life expectancy.

Yeah, none of that is any big deal. Nah, it doesn't hurt anyone....besides the people who use them...and the parents, sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and friends of those who use them. No big deal.

There is a HUGE difference in using ANY drug for the use it was intended, and ABUSING it...

 

[Cat_72]

*ignorant.....never remember to use "spell check".....

 

[ApriliaRufo]

This is not the topic of this thread, but since it won't be put to rest... Drugs will never go away, any of them. They will always be prevalent and have always been prevalent. The next time I need drug facts, I will pm you to give me the full one two on their side effects. My point is that of all the drugs in the world, HGH (along with Marijuana) are of my least concern. How many people have died from "street" drug use, Crystal Meth, Heroin, Crack Cocaine, PCP, Cocaine? How many from HGH use? Choose your battles in life carefully. I do not support the use of HGH, I do not support the traffic of HGH, I do not support the administerring of HGH to kids to make them better skaters, but I know that people will always use them. Suicides from depression, hurt family and friends. Car accidents hurt family and friends. Ladder accidents, the list could go on forever. People own hots for pure adrenaline rush and a psychological captivation by owning something that could potentially kill you. It's no different. Your family would be just as torn up if you were killed by your pet, as they would if HGH killed you. Life is full of risks, and there will always be people to take them.

I've had enough of this subject. I'm not dealing with realists here, just idealists. Drugs, guns, prostitution, murder. Welcome to Earth. I think Utopia's a few planets down the road. Get used to it and pick your fights carefully. While people are fighting against HGH, their kids are being solicited by perverts on the internet. Find the big issues and take care of them first. Ted Bundy didn't use HGH, so he's a ok I guess.

 

[Dr Owens]

You know, it's not all that uncommon to see idiocy displayed on online forums, but it's far less common to see it displayed to such a staggering degree as has been demonstrated here today.

First there is this:

I know this is a post about Providence reptles but since we are on the drug kick. Pharmacudical companies manufacture drugs that are harmful to use everyday. I know your going to say they are legal and yes they are. That fact is many kill people and have terrible side affects. The FDA approves these, test results are covered up from the pharmacudical company, Doctors prescribe them and they kill. I know not to many of these drugs, but the ones that do are still not banned. Double Standard, I think so.

And then there is this:

Well and considerring he said he was using HGH and then someone said he was selling his stock of 40,000 units, you can go to an anti-aging specialist and have HGH prescribed to you. It is a steroid that increases testosterone levels, but masturbating raises test levels and prednisone is a steroid, so masturbating if you have asthma should be at least 10-20 years behind bars right? And forget buying a snake from him... A masturbating asthmatic is dangerous...

I am truly at a loss as to which post demonstrates the greater degree of not just ignorance, but bold faced stupidity.

Amazing...

 

[Cat_72]

Ah..........so you're one of those who CHOOSE to be ignorant. It's there, there's nothing I can do about it, so it doesn't matter.

If less people had that "it's here to stay no matter what I do, so why bother" attitude, the world wouldn't be the screwed up place it is now. Or at least not AS screwed up.

And FYI.....I just because I have an issue with drug dealers and those who think they are OK doesn't mean my kids are any less protected from anything else. Some of us can multi-task, it's part of the job description of being a parent.....you do everything you can to keep your kids safe, you don't look the other way because you don't think you can make a difference anyway.

And what the heck does Ted Bundy have to do with anything? Just because he's done a different kind of "wrong" doesn't make it any less.......WRONG.

 

[critical bill]

This isn't one of those forums where pre-pubescent adults yell at eachother and name call and all that entails, is it?

Sometimes....sadly....it can get that way. I just like to stick to the facts, prema.

 

[Wraith]

I believe that was ruled as severe depression and instigative substances (steroids). Either way, ever taken steroids? I know plenty of people who do, doesn't really make any difference except sometimes they are irritable. I think I can get over someone being in a bad mood for a while, either way, I was just trying to say that this thread is about the reptile trade and personal experience with a seller, not to put your noses where they don't belong. People are going to do whatever they're going to do, whether it's legal or not. People buy drugs because they want em, simple as that. Whatever people are doing, if it don't hurt nobody but themselves, then it's not my business.

And when that someone you know has a "bad mood" that turns into a homicidal rage what then. Can you live with it? Plain and simple. Steroids can and do cause death. Usually it's the user who dies, but there are incidences where it's the user who turns against someone else and kills them because they have become psychologically imbalanced due to the use of that so called "recreational" sport drug.

Some of the psychological problems known to occur with the use of steroids...

http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C10/C10Links/www.tcada.state.tx.us/research/facts/steroids.html

"Steroid abuse can have profound effects on the mind, causing temporary personality changes in some. Users may exhibit uncontrolled aggression and violent behavior called “roid rage,” in addition to severe mood swings, manic episodes, and depression. Moreover, users may suffer paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment from feelings of invincibility. During periods when they do not use, chronic users may experience withdrawal symptoms that intensify the psychological effects."

 

[nora]

dont forget the physical effects in men... i mean cmon why? what dude would wants to walk around with shrunken ummmmm

jewels? i guess that would be the appropriate word or the lack there of...

that's probably where all the psychological problems really stem from. but of course i wouldnt know cuz I dont have boy parts.

 

[Savriti]

http://consumerlawpage.com/article/drugs_that_kill.shtml
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi53.html
http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws99.htm

But I am stupid because it is not in my best interest
David Edmonds

 

[Chameleon Company]

Dr. Jay ...

You took the words right out of my mouth, regarding displays of idiocy (and I am non-karma now).

Chuck, what an irony ... Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhh! I was raised believing that taking advantage of certain self-indulging opportunities would make me go blind, and perhaps challenged such notions in my youth. Now, in my latter years, when the new "mother's little helper" is convenient, its back to tempting the fate of blindness all over again ! Is there no peace short of death !!!!! Anybody see my glasses ?

And to Tim. No judgement here to be passed. Absolutely all make mistakes, and I will not parse your words in a forum where there are less complex fish to fry. Best of fortune in getting through this, and getting all to where I think you wish they were. If you do not yet attend church at least once weekly, let me put in a plug for it.

 

[Dr Owens]

http://consumerlawpage.com/article/drugs_that_kill.shtml
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi53.html
http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws99.htm

Are you serious? Your posting of the above articles does nothing more than reinforce my previous conclusions concerning your mental capacities. If you actually think that those are legitimate arguments against the use of pharmaceuticals by the medical profession, then you are actually more obtuse than I originally thought.

But I am stupid because it is not in my best interest

I think that I will refrain from responding to any more of your posts. It's not worth my time to engage in a one sided debate with someone who can't even type a coherent sentence. (Please see your previous post for additional examples of illiteracy.)

 

[nora]

those articles are related to poor manufacturing of certain drugs and the FDA not catching it til after the fact that many people were dying from said drugs. btw I took vioxx and I'm still alive, but then again some of the people who took the drug probably had a severe allergic reaction to the ingredients found in the medicine, or exsisting health issues that cause an adverse reactions.. but if i were to be one of those affected by the drug would the blame be put on my doctor or the drug company.... hmmm

this is going from one extreme (kinda) to another..how did this all of a sudden become the Discovery Medical Channel?

 

[nora]

and yay for no edit button... lol

 

[tim8dena]

You took the words right out of my mouth, regarding displays of idiocy (and I am non-karma now).

Chuck, what an irony ... Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhh! I was raised believing that taking advantage of certain self-indulging opportunities would make me go blind, and perhaps challenged such notions in my youth. Now, in my latter years, when the new "mother's little helper" is convenient, its back to tempting the fate of blindness all over again ! Is there no peace short of death !!!!! Anybody see my glasses ?

And to Tim. No judgement here to be passed. Absolutely all make mistakes, and I will not parse your words in a forum where there are less complex fish to fry. Best of fortune in getting through this, and getting all to where I think you wish they were. If you do not yet attend church at least once weekly, let me put in a plug for it.

thank you..i had started to put up another post but yours brought me a ray of sunshine

i have made my peace with God..he is the only one to judge me now
i have my family back and a great relationship with God now..i have nothing left to hide..i left that life style..yes i needed a little push at first but after i learned so much about my freinds whom i got my steroids from and everything else they were involved in i went well beyond what was asked of me..i personally dont have alot of issues with steroids(i know this will cause some crap) as many use them as i did for many years to better themselves physically..however as we see they are wide spread and now sold to children with ease..if used properly i have no issues with them..just as alchohol and cigarettes for adults but that decision is up to you..i personally would rather see some one use steroids then cigarettes..unfortunetly those who sell steroids usually sell other drugs as well..i have decided to never use steroids again not based on what i call a moral decision but a legal one..again everyones decision is up to them..like i stated earlier i think those who drink and smoke are wrong..i personally dont do either of them..

i made mistakes and i have moved on..the purpose of this forum is to discuss business of selling and buying reptiles..myself was never questioned til this was brought up..only positive things to say about me..now many have passed many judgments on me based on a mistake i made in the past..

some say steroids are bad and some say otherwise..we can find fault with every drug out there..im sure many dont know of the thousands who have died from simple complications from tylenol and other similar drugs..

lets please stick to the purpose of the BOI..i have done no crime in the reptile world...

also let me respond to some other posts here..Jake/AKA JimmyFungus..AKA Ironfist..AKA Macktruck...since he wont post his real name i will..accuses me of losing my license..i never lost them..they were placed on probabation as i called in a prescription drug for a employee and did not verify with the proper doctor..i was told she(the doctor) would be notified the next day so i had no issues calling it in..the drug was Medroxyprogesterone is a female hormone, usually called "progesterone". It is important for the regulation of ovulation and menstruation.

Medroxyprogesterone is used to treat conditions such as irregular or abnormal uterine bleeding and lack of menstruation.

this is not the morning after pill that Jake accuses me of using since my so-called teenage girlgriend was pregnant....are you going to call me again and demand another pair of spider ball pythons to make these post disapear..again i have nothing to hide..espicially since this was later dropped when it was staightened out by everyone involved....

you accuse me of stealing Your drug money since no one could go to the police..please look closley and the article in the ledger..how could i steal your money if i turned $32000 over to the police in July..remember i was arrested in March..many have confused the 3 articles..the one that states 40000 units was written in Sept..the DEA took over all my email and info and confiscated your drug $$$$..how else would you know anything about it if it were not you who lost your $$$ and drugs..this is why you use fake names etc..your $$$ and everyone else associated with you is nicely secured with the DEA..you know the phone number as you received a copy of it in the emails you received to claim or dispute your losses..
so i guess the only part of your post that is correct is that im a NARC

 

[lanceheads]

I agree with Tim, STICK to business at hand, this is not a "Mitchell Report"
This started out as an inquiry about his business and early posts were postive, then it took a horrible nose-dive off topic.

Randal

 

[John E Dove]

I agree with Tim, STICK to business at hand, this is not a "Mitchell Report"
This started out as an inquiry about his business and early posts were postive, then it took a horrible nose-dive off topic.

Randal

Complacency, even in regard to the smallest matters, eventually allows for a total perversion of all principles.
John E Dove

 

[critical bill]

Complacency, even in regard to the smallest matters, eventually allows for a total perversion of all principles.
John E Dove

PHUCKIN A!!!

John E Dove for PRESIDENT!

 

[Cat_72]

Complacency, even in regard to the smallest matters, eventually allows for a total perversion of all principles.
John E Dove

That has to be the best post I've seen in a mighty long time, sir.

 

[ophidile]

Eh, I'm not one for moral absolutism (ie, one must never budge on any principle) nor total moral relativism (ie, everything is justifiable)

However, I do dislike it when people use the "but everyone's doing it" justification, or the "it's okay when used responsibly!" one. While I don't necessarily like the "war on drugs" (seems to cause more problems than it solves), I'm tired of hearing self-appointed "drug gurus" say that anyone who has had problems from drug use wasn't "using responsibly". It's the same as "no true scottsman"; if you define "responsible users" as people who have no serious problems, then yes, responsible users have no serious problems.
I don't know much about steroid abuse and "responsible use", but it seems to defeat the point of a "good physique", which is to be *healthy*. And when involved with sports, well, that's just cheating, and making it hard for people who don't want to play Russian Roulette with their health to compete.

 

[HerpVenue]

Hey Tim, why don't you tell them about the part where you ordered steroid powder and then cooked up your own steroids in your own laboratory under the alias "DepDaddy"? Then maybe people will understand that you were not a personal user like you claim and that you in fact were a big time steroid dealer. You took orders for steroids and then never sent the product keeping people's money because you knew that they couldn't go to the police about it. You were a thief and a drug dealer.

Couple all of this with being a rat and a stool pigeon you can see why so many people think that you are a class act. If you won't admit to this I WILL POST PROOF anywhere you go.

Maybe you should start selling rodents instead of reptiles. You could call yourself Ratman and at least the name would fit.

First. That does not make sense.

You say he was dealing.
Then you say he was a thief because he would not deliver.
Don't you have to deliver to be dealing?

Why would he be stupid enough to buy all these drugs for "resale". And then make sales and not deliver? he should have saved some money and not bought the drugs at all. He can just sell drugs that does not exist.

Second. How do you know what is in his laboratory?
Third. How do you know so much details about this story?
Fourth. why are you so upset that he cooperated with the police?

It sounds like the Druggie is mad at his dealer.
yes Jimmy fungus. I accuse you of being a Juicer.

Tell yourself and or your friends that being a juicer is bad and that it will make the police very interested in you.

And tell yourself or your friends that if the police are not interested in you already for the "juicing", then the feds will show interest for the "computer assailment"