Rainer Weishaupl shipping USPS

[DAND]

Ophis, DAND you're incredibly FOS and you know it.

Who is Frank Juarez? It seems those who have asked this question are considered FOS by you. Are you going to continue to avoid answering the question?

 

[bluerosy]

your attempted smear tactics AREN'T fooling anyone. let's quit w/ the smoke and mirrors for a it, shall we? i asked you a simple question: why doesn't a snake deserve a stable temp throughout transistion that styro provides. oh that's right, YOU determine the future conditions beforehand and that's that. BULL BRO!!! it takes 4 minutes and about 40 cents to ship SAFELY w/ styro. guess you don't have that kind of time or money huh? you're becoming your own worst enemy. any more gems you'd like to drop on us peasants? now TRY to stick to the question rainer, explain to us all again the lack of needing insulation while shipping live snakes for cross country travel shot into the stratasphere for hours at a time. oh and btw, that intergrade you sent me never ate like you keep saying either. i had to pinkie pump it non stop to keep it alive. but you already knew that, you just failed to disclose it.....dan felice

Dan,
Your pinky pump story has been discussed as well as the fact you lied several times and then dissapear from the thread only to show up on another thread to start over again. its people like you that make this place dangerous.

First its no secret that you are trying to smear my name and its not the other way around.

Now this story has been gone over on this thread and you are to stupid to understand to realize did not contact me with any problesm for 5 months. Then I did replace the animals anyway. You are never going to get better service and a better person to deal with Dan. These thing are 100% your fault. If anything you owe me and this comminity a big apology.

Your pinky pump story has been discussed as well as the fact you lied several times and then dissapear from the thread only to show up on another thread to start over again. its people like you that make this place dangerous.

This was posted here here by someone who is concerned about people like me.


People spending a lifetime to earn a reputation and lifestyle destroyed because someone is upset because they misunderstood something or are just flat out to get something for nothing. Well not only did the good person get his name and life destroyed by what certain people feel are justifiable, but a criminal has gotten away. Now what’s this good person to do? File a lawsuit? Well not only is their case probably compromised by trying to defend their good name, but they will now be boycotted against and risk business suicide according to FaunaClassifieds.com’s Rules that they have posted. And this is justice? How is this justice? But apparently this is justified in the fact that eventually it will catch up to the person doing wrong. Well maybe. Obviously if they got away with their crimes on FaunaClassifieds.com’s flawed system of justice, they will probably continue getting away with them. Now what about the person that lost everything because of this? His names still ruined and destroyed. Again, this is a real concern that comes up many of times. People try to justify this with those reasons.

Now lets look at another prospective angle of this.

Now we already know the actions that faunaclassifieds.com will go through. We know that they will flat out lie and deceive people. We know that they will flat out frame someone. I have the evidence on this site to show this. So how can you justify the above question? After all, we established that you cannot trust what they say as accurate. So how can you trust anything they say? Yu cant. Just like they make it clear on their site, that once someone is found to be lying, then they loose all creditability. This same holds true with faunaclassifieds.com. We know what lengths they will go through. We know of their corruption. We know that we cant trust what they say or is portrayed in front of us on their site. This means that this site had little if any credibility. So what is the purpose of using it? You know the info is bogus. And if you got garbage coming in, then you will have garbage coming out. You cannot make a valid decision when the facts and truth is distorted. That’s the bottom line. So there is no way you can justify the concern or idea by this manner. Again, it’s only helping one group of people, the ones that are protected within the faunaclassifieds.com. It’s a no win situation for the hobbyist or the rest of the industry. The only ones that are winning are the few people whom are protected behind this empire. One that do have shady past’s and proven themselves as frauds.

And finally many people justify this by saying well hey look, they protected me from being ripped off by so and so. They did? How do you know? Who saids so and so is a bad person or criminal? FaunaClassifieds.com? Well they have little credibility. You don’t truly know this so and so is a bad person. You know so by what FaunaClassifieds.com saids. But you know that FaunaClassifieds.com will make up lies and evidence. You know they will distort the truth and hide the true facts. So you don’t truly know who’s bad and who’s not. And gossip really spreads in this community like a wild fire. So you cant just believe what everyone said’s because chances are the originating source isn’t vary credible.



So then where do I turn to know who do business with and not too or to report problems?

Well to begin, there are non biased groups like the Better Business Bureau and the law enforcement or courts. Turn to the police if you been ripped off. This is what they are there for. Generally its out of miscommunication or error, so try to resolve it first. Or you may also turn to the BBB to resolve this. The BBB had allot of credibility and a tract record. They are unbiased to another’s beliefs in the community and got nothing to win by being deceptive or nothing to loose by doing something against someone. They look at the facts and attempt to resolve the issue. You can contact them to inquire about a business before you do business with them or not. FaunaClassifieds.com is not the way to go about inquiring about people or attacking someone. There is a reason many people speak negatively about this group or is against them or their practices. It’s because of what they do.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Ah the
lunatic ramblings of Mario Stinso... they're always good for a laugh.

One thing that I'd like to touch on the fact that UPS and Fed Ex will indeed knowingly accept live snakes tendered to them for shipment. Of the three major door-to-door carriers, DHL is the only one that refuses them under any circumstances.

 

[dan felice]

Rainer Continues To Avoid 1 Question.....

i'll make it real simple for you this time since paragraphs apparently confuse you: why doesn't a snake need insulation when shipped hundreds, if not thousands of miles in the freezing cold belly of a plane? i cannot spell it out any plainer! why?!?!? that's all i'm asking! but you don't have an answer for this one do you? at least not one you think will 'work'. keep scheming away, you'll eventually come up w/ something i'm sure. and btw, in case you don't recall [again!], you're 'replacement' snakes never got here, remember? you couldn't even handle that part of it!?! about 30 other deliveries made it here last summer, just not yours but that was my fault huh? you're either a joke or a liar. pick one rain.......dan felice

 

[bluerosy]

Ken,
Fed Ex and UPS will not accept live snakes for shipment in my state. I went as far as going to the the head office of Fed Ex in person as well as to a major distribution center for UPS. I asked to speak to a supervisor in both places and I asked why other states allow it with there company and there answer was the discretion of individual state office what they will accept and what they will not accept.

Dan,
I have asked you 10 questions in this thread and you never responded. Be that as it may I will answer you. But I am getting tired of your hit and run tactics. It is cowardly and I have no doubt if I was to meet you would be the same in person.

First DAN, I should mention that in our conversation on the phone you told me the snake stopped feeding for you. I should remind you this was after I did not hear there were any problems for 5 months. It was then I decided to "GIVE" you a pair of snakes. It was not really a replacement but something I did out of the pure goodness of my own heart. Especially after your threatening emails, but after I confronted you on the phone you aplogized for being drunk when you wrote it. SO, I never had to replace anything. But for simplicity sake lets call it a replacement. Okay?

Now lets look at your terminalogy for the colubrids being shipped on a plane . You used words like, "the freezing cold belly of a plane",
"shot into the stratasphere"and "being chilled senseless at 30,000 feet in the belly of a plane" your words make me never want to ship colubrids in any type of container the way you put it. But in the real world the snakes I sent never froze. And this is with thousands of shipments I have made. Matter of fact most people I have sent snakes to commented that the snakes fed right away after unpacking on the very first day (thanks to my packing methods). That shows the snakes were not undewlly stressed in any way. I should also point out we are talking about North American colubrids here and not tropical boids or geckos. This type of reptiles being shipped does make a difference on the temperature changes and their health.

When i was living in California I did a fair amount of field collecting. One thing I noticed in the field is that some snakes slid into the freezing cold water from an enbankment after sunning themselves. The places in California were i grew up the water was freezing since the drainage came down from the Sierras. So if in nature a snake is not stressed to temporary temperature changes why would it effect them in transport? Another thing I discovered that a lot of herpers used was method in photgraphing colubrids. They would put some skittish or spastic colubrids into the refrigerator to slow them down before placing them on natural settings for pictures. Not a practice I use but still this was something I observed from very experienced breeders of colubrids.

I might also add that I always ship snakes after they have not eaten for several days so they have no food in their system. This is all in preperation for the temperature changes that may occur. The fact is the type of snakes i ship are not effected by lower temperature changes and I don't thing those temperature changes are as severe as you describe them. Of course we still have to debate what is considered to low but I am sure the temps the snakes are transported in are the same as other live animals including mammals. But north american snakes are different creature from most small animals and they are designed to withstand certain temperature changes given they have no food in theire system to induce regurging. most of the places I ship to without insulation are close to my state (like Florida) and that means the plane is in the air for about 40 minutes. If it goes to a colder climate or hot weather climate the snake should be packed with insulation and thats when I use it.

As far as the snake i showed a picture of that i sent you not being the one. Why don't you post a pic of it then? Oh I remember that was one of the questions I already asked you and you did not respond. But being the gentleman I think you are you will probably post a pic of a different brooks just to further you pathetic power trip you are on.

Finanally the second package I sent to the address you all of a sudden changed on me in the last minute came back as undeliverable. It was stated on the package "No such address". Fianally the second package was insulated.


and for those who are just joining us and don't have the time and interest to read through all these posts on this thread here is an email I posted from myself to Dan after the second delivery:



Dan
I am sorry I have to disagree with you .

First, I should not have agreed to replace a snake that you did not contact
me about for 5 months. You been around since the 60's I would think that you
do know about certain snake edicate. The snake was in your posession and you say it did not eat but a couple times and then languished. Why didn't you
contact me a week later or two weeks later? Why wait and work with an animal for 5 months to see if you could save it and then complain to the seller?

Second I was doing you a favor and being a nice guy to send you your
replacement. I even paid for the shipping a second time.AL, this was in
spite of you nasty first email. Can you imagine selling a snake to someone
and then 5 months later getting an email like that? I am sure you would not
respond in like manner.

Third the snakes were sent in a insulated box. I only ship in cardboard when
the weather in the destination area is permitting.

Fourth your address that you gave me was not a deliverable address (whatever that means) so it was your fault. Now you blame me that the snakes came back dead?

Just how far do you want someone to go for customer satifaction? I sent you
three snakes and paid for two deliveries.

Then there is you first email to me that you started off by threatening me
without even ASKING me if I would replace it. I called you and told you I am
not motivated by threats. You apologized and said you were drunk when you
wrote it. I overlooked it and said I would replace anyway. Funny thing what
is, what bothered me the most was your insinutaion that I sent you a bad
snake. I even sent you a picture of the snake before you purchased it and i
still have the pic of the original snake. It looks very fat and healthy for
a newborn. You can see the bulge of its last meal in the pic as well.

You conatacted me several months later to remind me of my promise to replace the snake. I agreed to sending you two nice hypos for the one because they were less money.

Now i get this email from you?

I have been doing this for a long time as well. You are my only bad
customer. I have had no complaints and if i did I am the type to bend over
backwards to fix the probelm because I am in a hobby and not a business and
thats the way I just am. I love the hobby and i wish everyone was as good as
me in treating other herpers.


This hobby seems to attract a lot of bad people. I am not one of them even
though you would like to make me out to be one. I am not the type to rip
anyone off (like you are insinuating) and I really resent that.

Dan it seems to me you are the one with a problem and your emails to me
speak volumes. The way you come across is not good.

I wish you would not go with your threat to go public because any accusation
is bad. But in this case I cannot be pushed around like you have been doing.



Rainer Weishaupl


----- Original Message -----
From: "dan"
To: "Rainer)"
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Message from dan felice
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[Ophis]

If thats ture then your kinda between a rock and a hard place as far as shipping goes in your state. Your in Georgia, right? Your argument about insulation seems to hold some water,but then why did you insulate the second package to Dan and why don't you just insulate all shipments just to be on the safe side.

 

[Ophis]

I am curious about your dark side. What can you tell me about Ophis? Is it just the music you like or do you hold to those believes as well??

I only listen to Ophis if Im feeling down and need a "pick me up" song with a fresh new outlook.

 

[bluerosy]

I only listen to Ophis if Im feeling down and need a "pick me up" song with a fresh new outlook.

I like their sound to but I find their lyrics spiritually vile. Leave it to the germans.

 

[bluerosy]

why did you insulate the second package to Dan and why don't you just insulate all shipments just to be on the safe side.

Well it was the time of year and the temperature. Its heat that kills and not cold. Of course if it gets below freezing no package should be sent. Insulated or not. The real killer IMO is the summer months when most of the shipping is done with this hobby. Heat will kill a reptile far easier than cold.

 

[dan felice]

more malarky from rainer......

rainer, you're comparing apples and oranges if you're comparing a snake's natural locale behavior to being similar to being cold shipped across the country. you sent my snake 1400 miles w/out ANY insulation whatsoever and it came in STUNNED. the beneficial effects of this noninsulating practice somehow escapes me. i'll say it one last time and maybe it'll sink in: 4 minutes and 40 cents, that's all it takes to safely ship a small snake anywhere! if you cannot understand that, then you need to get out of the business!!! plain and simple.......btw, 'my hit and run practices' as you refer to them??? you're getting a tad sensitive rainer. up here, we call that a 'r e p l y' to a post directed towards oneself. and as far as me trying to damage your character? LOL! you did that all by yourself sport. remember, i didn't start this thread, i only responded to it. 4 MINUTES and 40 CENTS, that's what it takes, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! but i guess that's just too much for you huh? damn, and i thought i was busy! and also, where is all your big breeder backup? i defy you to get ONE of them to come here and agree w/ your backpeddling drivel. you ever think of running for a political office. that's you're true calling. you can bull***t all day long and not actually have to really say anything. you oughta look into it, you're a natural .........dan felice

 

[bluerosy]

Ughh..
The snake never came in stunned, You never mentioned it until now after two years and after several emails and posts you come up with another story. You are really desperate. After I have proven you to lie about almost everything yet you cointinue your parade to come up with this stunned thing.

Its obvious to anyone who has taken the time to read your posts on two threads regarding this issue is that you opt for misrepresentation. For all your spouting about the evils and negativity about Rainer Weishaupl, its a simple case of "the Lady doth protesteh to much".

Unfortunatley people like Dan felice use the internet forums to advance their own personal agenda for for financial or other gain through deliberate misinformation. For whatever reason, this is the thread Dan Felice is hoping people will buy into.
Its hard enough these days to extract the truth behind the origins of these types of threads without going over 50 pages over two threads and someone deliberatly trying to cloud the issues by restarting another informational bomb several pages later.

Bottom line is Dan Felice received a very beautiful, fat and healthy brooks king from me in 2003 (I posted the pic twice here on this thread). I never heard from him until 5 months later (over the winter) when he sends me a nasty email saying he wants his money back or he will "go public with this" threat. This is after I sold him a snake 5 months prior with no word or notification that anything was wrong with the snake. I called him on the phone after his nasty and threatening email to confront this wacko and he apologizes for the email and says he was drunk when he wrote it. He then whines to me that the snake had only eaten a couple times and it went off food (so he says). He says he tried force feeding the snake the last few months and he wants to send the snake back. I figure I would rather make this nut case happy and prove to myself there is no such thing as an unhappy customer. Big mistake on my part. So I tell him to keep the snake and that i will GIVE him a pair next season.
Fast forward in 2004 I send him a pair of hypo brooksi. We communicate via email and tells me to send it to his address. Then the day I was supposed to send the snake he sends me an email (not a phone call) that he will no longer be at that address as his work is finished in that area and he will be at a new address. I send it off to the new address and I track the package and I dicover it got lost. Ends up I get the pacakge back 7 days later with print on the box that "the package was undeliverable" due to "no such address exists". The snakes come back to me 7 days later dead in the box. I email Dan and tell him what happened and asked him why it happened. I never get an email back from him. Not a word. Another 3-4 months pass he writes me another nasty email saying he wants his money back.
This guy is a seller worst nighmare. I was going to start a thread about him after all this happened to warn people but I thought no publicity on this site is good publicity. I even talked to Rich Zuchowski about this Dan fracas at the Daytona show this 2004. Rich told me if the buyer did not complain then he would not start a post about it.



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Dan
I am sorry I have to disagree with you .

First, I should not have agreed to replace a snake that you did not contact
me about for 5 months. You been around since the 60's I would think that you
do know about certain snake edicate. The snake was in your posession and you say it did not eat but a couple times and then languished. Why didn't you
contact me a week later or two weeks later? Why wait and work with an animal for 5 months to see if you could save it and then complain to the seller?

Second I was doing you a favor and being a nice guy to send you your
replacement. I even paid for the shipping a second time.AL, this was in
spite of you nasty first email. Can you imagine selling a snake to someone
and then 5 months later getting an email like that? I am sure you would not
respond in like manner.

Third the snakes were sent in a insulated box. I only ship in cardboard when
the weather in the destination area is permitting.

Fourth your address that you gave me was not a deliverable address (whatever that means) so it was your fault. Now you blame me that the snakes came back dead?

Just how far do you want someone to go for customer satifaction? I sent you
three snakes and paid for two deliveries.

Then there is you first email to me that you started off by threatening me
without even ASKING me if I would replace it. I called you and told you I am
not motivated by threats. You apologized and said you were drunk when you
wrote it. I overlooked it and said I would replace anyway. Funny thing what
is, what bothered me the most was your insinutaion that I sent you a bad
snake. I even sent you a picture of the snake before you purchased it and i
still have the pic of the original snake. It looks very fat and healthy for
a newborn. You can see the bulge of its last meal in the pic as well.

You conatacted me several months later to remind me of my promise to replace the snake. I agreed to sending you two nice hypos for the one because they were less money.

Now i get this email from you?

I have been doing this for a long time as well. You are my only bad
customer. I have had no complaints and if i did I am the type to bend over
backwards to fix the probelm because I am in a hobby and not a business and
thats the way I just am. I love the hobby and i wish everyone was as good as
me in treating other herpers.


This hobby seems to attract a lot of bad people. I am not one of them even
though you would like to make me out to be one. I am not the type to rip
anyone off (like you are insinuating) and I really resent that.

Dan it seems to me you are the one with a problem and your emails to me
speak volumes. The way you come across is not good.

I wish you would not go with your threat to go public because any accusation
is bad. But in this case I cannot be pushed around like you have been doing.



Rainer Weishaupl


----- Original Message -----
From: "dan"
To: "Rainer)"
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Message from dan felice


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[snakebstr]

Damn, Rainer

You seemed to throw up, how gross...LOL...Rainer this is David, I noticed this post and figured I would throw my 2 cents in. After 5 months Danny boy wouldn't have gotten anything from me, Even more so with the attitude, I guess I am just glad you got to deal with him instead of me, I wouldn't put up with the bull crap at all, YOU CAN'T please everyone so you just have to please the ones that you can and forget the one that wanna Be HARD to deal with.

And KEN, Fed Ex and UPS will Not except SNAKES and I know this for a fact. I have taken Packages to them and have been turned away. I have heard of people Getting SPECIAL premission but I personally have not been able to. They flat out say NO they will NOT ship SNAKES. The office here says no, they mean no. I have even known people to be called to come pickup the package they sent because someone noticed it had live animals and they don't ship animals. But from what I understand it is like Rainer said " It is up to each offices discretion of what they will allow to ship".
See ya later, DAVID

 

[Chris@TSE]

Yes, you will get a different answer on what they will allow dependant upon each driver you encounter or location you visit. Such is life........

 

[snakebstr]

DAN, 1 or 2 REAL QUESTION??????

I was wondering IF THE SNAKE WAS SO STUNNED, THEN WHY DID IT WAIT 5 MONTHS to die, or BETTER YET, WHY DID YOU wait 5 months to contact RAINER? I personally wouldn't have done anything with you unless I had been contacted about the problem the day you got the snake. If You would have contacted ME and said you felt the animals was not doing good DUE to the matter that I shipped the snake but you wanted to try and save it first, And if something happened then you would want a replacement or something like that then OK, But to come up 5 month later and say THE SNAKE JUST died, Give me a break THESE are LIVE animals and THEY DO DIE that is just what happens, We try and do good on our DEAL to make customers happy, BUT I BELIEVE that RAINER did HIS part in Trying to send a SECOND batch of snakes but YOU gave HIM a bogus ADDRESS and NOW you need to do YOUR PART and Apologize for trying to smear RAINER's name. If Rainer sent you a second shipment to cover the first after 5 months, That is a GOOD GUY in my BOOK, I bought a Dumirels Boa from a guy once and it DIED less than a day after I got it, You know what I got 50% of what I paid for it, I paid 150.00 and got 75.00. And the Snake looked healthy I got it at a REPTILE SHOW, Go figure on that ONE.

Rainer is Correct in that Colubrids do not need the requirements that boas and pythons need for shipping and HEAT PACKS KILL far more snakes than the COLD, I am personally scared to put a HEAT PACKS in with ANY snake much less baby colubrids, HEAT PACKS use oxygen and can cause suffercation/Dehydration with the increased heat even more so with baby snakes.

Just my 2 cents.....By the way what the hell is 4 minutes and 40 cents, last time I sent something to took more than 4 minutes and a hell of a lot more than 40 cents to ship? See ya DAVID

 

[Wilomn]

And KEN, Fed Ex and UPS will Not except SNAKES and I know this for a fact. I have taken Packages to them and have been turned away. I have heard of people Getting SPECIAL premission but I personally have not been able to. They flat out say NO they will NOT ship SNAKES. The office here says no, they mean no. I have even known people to be called to come pickup the package they sent because someone noticed it had live animals and they don't ship animals. But from what I understand it is like Rainer said " It is up to each offices discretion of what they will allow to ship".
See ya later, DAVID

Perhaps it's that ohsopleasing personality of yours david, that has them refusing you.

I have never had a shipment turned down by either fedex or ups. I have NO special permission. I label my boxes properly and tell them what in the box both in person and on the airbill itself.

Try having someone else send your snakes to see if it is just you, not that I'm saying you're.....unworthy or anything but, some of the "officials" are not exactly equalateral in the administering of their duties. Maybe you've just run into one of those.

Then again, maybe it IS just you.

I reckon we'll find out sooner or later.

 

[David Scarboro]

It's different here in Georgia.

I have never had a shipment turned down by either fedex or ups. I have NO special permission. I label my boxes properly and tell them what in the box both in person and on the airbill itself.

Wes, The North Georgia Hub of UPS has a "No Live Animal" Policy. I have argued it with them extensively, and haven't gotten anywhere. I have shown them in their own material where certain animals are allowed, and they tell me that it is up to each office. Recently another person in this area dropped off a box of small turtles to be shipped. The pkg. was not labeled. The good people at ups heard scratching, and called the police. They tried to press charges, but all that came of it was that the owner/shipper was told to come get his turtles and not come back.(there is probably a good thread in this story, about all of us getting in trouble because of incidents like this) I live in a small town, so everyone knows that I have reptiles. I wouldn't even get in the door of the ups store with a pkg. The policy comes out of the Athens Ga. hub. I have received boxes in the last year through ups marked "live harmless snakes" at my home. I just can't ship them. This is Georgia home of "Bubba the Snake Killah". I have been fighting this mentality for 25 years doing educational shows at local schools. I have to believe that I have done some good, but it is hard to tell!

 

[Wilomn]

I had forgotten you lived in a third world part of the world. It does explain a lot though.

Out here both fedex and ups will pick up when you call them. Perhaps that is an option for you. As long as you aren't shipping snakes with legs and claws, anyway.

Ain't ignorance grand?

 

[David Scarboro]

50 years

That is how far you set your watch back when you come to Georgia. You should see our reptile laws. NO NATIVE SNAKES! Kind of tough if you ask me. Now I'm sure someone will jump in and say "Why don't you just leave?" I've been leaving for 30 years, just haven't made it to the state line yet!

 

[bluerosy]

Like Mr. Scarboro I live in GA. I have tried to ship reptiles with UPS and Fed EX and my name has been flagged. UPS and Fed Ex know me very well. When I try to send packages the snakes are turned over to DNR and left to die in the package until they go to the zoo for identification. I get them back a week or two later dehydrated and near death. I also get nasty letters from the state warning me not to ship.

 

[Wilomn]

Well boys, if you can't ship legally, if you can't ship at all, perhaps this is not the business for you.

If you guys cause me to loose my shipping priviledges I'll be plenty pissed. I know it's hard but it's also the truth.

Work out something legal or stop.

Period.