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Rainer Weishaupl shipping USPS

I appreciate your opinion of me in that regard Wes. Anyone who has as many rep points and rep power as you do while at the same time having been suspended as many times as you have and now owns 94 warning points is Fing A right on in my book.
 
Wes,

"You've got to admit, the entertainment is worth it as twice the price."

Nice. Speaks volumes to my point. This is all entertainment I guess, not a serious thread? Thats interesting becuase this is a real persons reputation that your having fun with. Reputation is everything, and I am glad to see that someone with your "status" here thinks this is fun. Like I said, speaks volumes.

I usually dont jump into these things with such fervor, but here lately, even when a guy admits he is wrong, if he isn't "sorry enough" for a few of you, then he is drawn and quartered. It's not right, and deep down you know it...or are you having to much fun to make yourself stop?

S~
 
The BoidSmith said:
Thanks Sasheena. No need to post it here, you can send it to me via private e-mail with the guarantee that it won't be disclosed. Any other takers?

Regards.
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Well, my real name is pretty obvious my user name.

If you legitimately needed my info I would send it to you. The level of information I would give would depend on our relationship. I may elect to give my home address and home phone number to someone I consider a good contact and considered a person that shared similar interests and wanted to have future contact with. If I was doing business with a person for the first time or maybe a one-time deal I would probably only give a business number or cell phone number.

I guess what I am saying all my contact info be it personal or not would still be able to be traced back to me in some form because I have nothing to hide.


Dan you have mail
 
wilomn said:
Opie, Aphid, whatever the heck your name is, DON'T go away. You're one of the few, the proud, the walking upright with spinal cord apparently intact and functioning, don't bail now. For less than the price of two beers at a bar, you're bellyup here for a year.

You've got to admit, the entertainment is worth it as twice the price.
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Ophis,

I agree with Wes, stick around.
 
Zx7trev said:
Wes,

"You've got to admit, the entertainment is worth it as twice the price."

Nice. Speaks volumes to my point. This is all entertainment I guess, not a serious thread? Thats interesting becuase this is a real persons reputation that your having fun with. Reputation is everything, and I am glad to see that someone with your "status" here thinks this is fun. Like I said, speaks volumes.

I usually dont jump into these things with such fervor, but here lately, even when a guy admits he is wrong, if he isn't "sorry enough" for a few of you, then he is drawn and quartered. It's not right, and deep down you know it...or are you having to much fun to make yourself stop?

S~
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You are willing to compare the shipping of computer parts to live animals as being anything close to the same...this "speaks volumes" about your integrity as well.
 
Shipping by any carrier

I guess most of have not been in the business long enough to know that ALL CARRIERS will NOT except SNAKES Knowingly, It is ALL illegal if the Carrier doesn't know what is in the BOX. Yes, USPS is federal. I didn't take the time to read all of the 26+ pages of this thread, but I know for sure that other services knock packages around. Several BIG breeders USE the mail and UPS, and DHL, and several other carriers due to the CUSTOMER not wanting to PAY the 75.00 shipping that DELTA CAHRGES, By the way DELTA is the only Carrier that I know of that KNOWINGLY will ship SNAKES of all kinds, All of the other Carriers will ship Frogs, Turtles, Lizards and other reptiles but MOST will NOT except SNAKES if you tell them they are SNAKES, Big discrimination if you ask me. But back to the post at hand. I believe as long as the snakes arrived ALIVE and well that someone shouldn't complain, these are the chances WE take when shipping something LIVE. Something COULD happen NO MATTER what Carrier YOU USE. If the PET arrives ALIVE then thank the person who sent it, Don't gripe about everything else, Now if it had come dead then you have the right to be pissed. But I am sure the method of shipping was discussed, I have NEVER not told the customer how I was shipping. I would be glad that he sent some money back. Before you all jump down my throat I only speak the TRUTH like it or NOT. :2gunsfiri Thanks David

PS trying to get someone introuble for the way they ship will only cause trouble for the WHOLE INDUSTRY, another reason for them to BAN snake keeping all together......Think about that one.....think before you post....see ya
 
snakebstr said:
PS trying to get someone introuble for the way they ship will only cause trouble for the WHOLE INDUSTRY, another reason for them to BAN snake keeping all together......Think about that one.....think before you post....see ya
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No one is trying to get anyone in trouble. Of course, since you have NOT read the entire thread you wouldn't be able to grasp that, would you?

This is more about one guy changing his shipper, not shipping method just the shipper, so that we all stay out of the limelight.

Had he not agreed to stop, had he continued to use USPS and been caught doing so;should a snake have escaped or a box been inspected, it could have had serious ramifications for all of us, even you david.

Perhaps before you go through the obvious tremendous expenditure of effort that is required for YOU to think, david, you should put INFORMATION in your head that you can THINK WITH.

How can you come here, a zillion pages into a thread and then say that it's all about getting some guy in trouble, when in fact THAT was NEVER the point of this thread, just shows that YOU should take your own advice.

THINK before you post david, and if you can't think, DON'T post.

Just so you know, rainer will NOT be using USPS anymore. His packing is fine. His snakes are good ones and, from all appearences, he's slightly unpleasant on occasion but good at what he does. There, NOW you don't have to go to all the trouble of READING what you're giving advice on.
 
Derek,

The point in my shipping computer parts by the thousands monthly wasn't that they are the same as live animals, it was to show that I ship alot of them, and know something about how to ship things when you want them handled in the best way possible (as in when they are fragile). Smaller packages are handled by hand more often than large packages and are less apt to be seriously stressed. Its a fact, and was backed up by a later poster who worked for Fedex I think it was. I think you assumed that I am comparing whats in the box...I am not. i am just saying that when its important that its handled carefully, its better in a smaller box.

S~
 
I can understand that...the less room to move...the more secure the shipment...
Documents sent through the USPS (and most carriers) are shipped in UNPRESSURIZED and NON TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED sections of the plane in most instances. Regardless of ground temperature...the temperature at 30,000 feet is below freezing...combine this with the lack of oxygen...and you are presented with very hostile conditions for the animals being shipped. This obviously would be of no concern when shipping inanimate computer supplies. This SHOULD be of great concern and utmost importance to the seller AND to the buyer in ALL instances where animals are being shipped.
That was MY point.
 
snakebstr

sorry snakebstr, but the shipping method was not discussed with me. In fact, I asked if he would be shipping FedEx or UPS before the snakes were shipped, and I asked for a tracking # after the package had been shipped. He at no point indicated or even hinted that the snakes would be sent through USPS or that he was not using FedEx or UPS or anything like that, which is why I was so shocked when the USPS driver came to my door with an expressmail envelope (of which I was not even convinced would contain a snake based on the size of the package.) All of this info is in the Business section discussing this same situation.

Also, I was not looking to get anyone in trouble, and did not even want to discuss WHO sent the snakes to me USPS but I was advised that others had the right to know so they could request another shipping method.... I was advised that this needed to be on the BOI and the shipper's identity revealed.

Had I known that Rainer was sending the snakes to me USPS then I would have either passed on the deal, or if he was willing to ship another method (which he has since indicated that he would have been) then I would have requested FedEx. At no point was there any indication to me that USPS would be used so I had no way of knowing that I NEEDED to request a different shipping method. The biggest difference to me, personally, with the legal implications of USPS vs FedEx is that with FedEx company policy... worst case scenario is that they will not let the shipper ship with them again.... worst case scenario with USPS is that I get slapped with a federal offense as well as the shipper, or have to PROVE that I did not know that the snakes would be shipped that way. I had the right to know what legal issues I was being exposed to. I am also not convinced that the envelope and non-insulated cardboard box that I received was the safest way to send a snake....

snakebstr, I'm glad to hear that you tell your customers how you will be shipping, so far everyone else that I have dealt with has told me how they will be shipping AND sent a tracking number.... apparently, not everyone feels that the buyer has the right to know these details... this was the FIRST time that I have had to deal with this issue. Most of the people who have shipped to me in the past have done a nice job....
 
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I am also not convinced that the envelope and non-insulated cardboard box that I received was the safest way to send a snake.... end quote
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Of course it not the "safest" way to send. You could send it in a bullet proof metal box and it still would not be the safest (Very arbitrary).

The whole envelope issue also confused a lot of readers as it may appear to some readers the snake was placed in a deli cup into an envelope. I just want to clarify that the envelope was an ADDED feature as most just send the box by itself. The large envelope is just a covering for the box.

Chausies, I have been shipping longer than most of these posters have been born. The fact is I have l shipped thousands of boxes like this with NO causualties except one. Thats the best record par none that I know of. The reason for this is I know what I am doing better than most. I also told you that the smaller packages get better treatment. Then two people posted here that work in the shipping industry that backed my claim. They exlained how it works in detail. Larger boxes are at risk and they do get handled roughly due to the shipping process.

The whole insulation thing really has to do with the temperature of the senders location and destination temperature. You live in Florida and the temps were perfect. Thus no reason to send insulated. The snakes arrived with you in excellent condition and you never complained about anything until two months later when you started two threads about them being shipped usps. I do send in insulated boxes most of the time due to cold or hot weather depending on the time of year. However WHAT IS important is the strength of the boxes.

I think myself and everydody here gets it that usps is not the way to go. I as I stated in my very first postr that i will no longer be sending snakes that way. But please do not add to the confusion by stating that the packages were not well packed when I take great pride in my packaging being better than 99% of the snakes sent in this country. I think most of the reason people pack loose or in large boxes is they are not as experienced and as knowledgable as myself and a few others. I also know a lot of the top breeders in this country that do ship in larger boxes just to appease the recipient but they are well knowing that its safer to ship in a smaller box.
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i'm new to this forum and blows me away how imature many posters act.it seems that many people think that if they find a fault or mistake in someone it gives them the right to go for the jugular.i wonder if these same people act this way in every day life with people they interface with? or is it that behind a computer you feel a rush of power to cut somebody a new one when your not looking them in the eyes and reveal your REAL self? so sad.
i'm retired from the transporation industry,the last 15 years with federal express.air freight is sorted by doucements and box freight,box freight goes down a belt and a machine reads the zip code then when it gets to the proper chute a arm comes out at 40 MPH to push it down the chute and sort it.this process can happen up to 5 6 7 times before it gets loaded on a aircraft.so you can see why internal movement can cause damage or in the case of reptiles stress.doucements are sorted in a much less stressful way.
i've received several shipments from rainer and there was never a problem,the snakes never seemed stressed.shipping in boxes while necessary for older animals is not the best way to ship hatchlings.shipping with the post office was a mistake,it's been corrected so let's move on.i wonder what it would be like if people treated others the way they wanted to be treated ?

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This is why this board can turn nasty


As far as the box it shipped in, shipping baby snakes in a tightly packaged container in a small "box" type box, is just as safe as shipping something UPS/DHL/UPS overnight in a larger box. Why? Let me explain...I work for a computer parts company that ships hundreds of PC's, monitors, printers, and service parts every day. About 35000 per month actually. About 2% of those large packages arrive broken even though they are packeged in superior, top notch foam packing, in double ply boxes. The reason why is that these packages are not handled much by humans (because the dimensions of the box mark them as heavy, even if the box is not. this is called DIM Weight)...they are moved along conveyors at transit hubs etc and often can fall off. They are also palletized, and can be moved(and punctured) by forklifts etc. Also, they can happen to be the bottom box in a tall stack of heavy boxes, and get crushed his way. With sensitive parts...we often opt to use a smaller, clamshell type boxs, with some foam inserts, as the boxes are genrally handled better. With small boxes...such as the type you would use for a book, they are handled almost exclusively by hand, and almost never experiance "tramatic" damage. Its a fact, I have been doing this a very long time. Marking packages as Fragile, or Live animals, really does not do alot of good depending on which hubs the package is traveling through. The only real neagtive to this type of box is that the smaller boxes lack insulation (temperature control), which is something that can be dealt with by shipping in the right time of year, or if you are located in the south, and are shipping to a southern address ( and you watch the weather channel).
 
Rantign and reaving

Do you like watching yourself talk? Pc's being shipped and animals are 2 different things. Stick to the issue at hand. If i ever recieve crap shipping like that then yeah I would say something just like everyon else. People that do stupid things like that tells a whole story about that individual. With just that one picture buries a persons reputation. :throwup02
 
LOL! rainer, you are SOO full of it!!!!!!!

so, snakes don't need insulation if YOU determine that temps at points A and B are adequate huh!?!?! HAHAHA!!!! who are you, God? and just for arguments sake, what about ALL the time the snake is in transit? you know, where it spends hours being chilled senseless at 30,000 feet in the belly of a plane. insulation is not required here??? and the rapid temperature rise once the snake has landed? no insulation needed for that either i guess right? you seem to think if you say it, then it's true??????? you are a major league BS'er!!! you must think you're you're talking to idiots. oh and btw, that pic of that real nice brooksie you keep showing? no, that's not the snake you sent me, NOT EVEN CLOSE. keep on digging rainer......
 
AHhh..Dan Felice. My only bad customer I have ever had. Nice of you to drop by again. But its seems after everything that has been revealed about you in this thread and the other one that you would be ashamed of posting again. My mistake.


Posted by Critters Wild:
Do you like watching yourself talk? Pc's being shipped and animals are 2 different things. Stick to the issue at hand. If i ever recieve crap shipping like that then yeah I would say something just like everyon else. People that do stupid things like that tells a whole story about that individual. With just that one picture buries a persons reputation.

Critters ,
Not sure if you are taliking about the carrier or the packing?

If the carrier then for your information all carriers (Fed Ex , DHL, USPS, Airborne, UPS ect.) ship the same way.


If you are taliking strictly about the packaging then you are wrong. That picture was posted here with a series of pics that shows the process. Maybe you should think of your own rep :no01: :no01: :no01: :no01:
 
dan felice said:
so, snakes don't need insulation if YOU determine that temps at points A and B are adequate huh!?!?! HAHAHA!!!! who are you, God? and just for arguments sake, what about ALL the time the snake is in transit? you know, where it spends hours being chilled senseless at 30,000 feet in the belly of a plane. insulation is not required here??? and the rapid temperature rise once the snake has landed? no insulation needed for that either i guess right? you seem to think if you say it, then it's true??????? you are a major league BS'er!!! you must think you're you're talking to idiots. oh and btw, that pic of that real nice brooksie you keep showing? no, that's not the snake you sent me, NOT EVEN CLOSE. keep on digging rainer......
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Yea Rainer, but thats powerfull stuff!
 
Ophis,
Its only powerful if you beleive it.

I am curious about your dark side. What can you tell me about Ophis? Is it just the music you like or do you hold to those believes as well??
 
ashamed of what rainer??? your starting to believe your own spin. bad sign dude!

your attempted smear tactics AREN'T fooling anyone. let's quit w/ the smoke and mirrors for a it, shall we? i asked you a simple question: why doesn't a snake deserve a stable temp throughout transistion that styro provides. oh that's right, YOU determine the future conditions beforehand and that's that. BULL BRO!!! it takes 4 minutes and about 40 cents to ship SAFELY w/ styro. guess you don't have that kind of time or money huh? you're becoming your own worst enemy. any more gems you'd like to drop on us peasants? now TRY to stick to the question rainer, explain to us all again the lack of needing insulation while shipping live snakes for cross country travel shot into the stratasphere for hours at a time. oh and btw, that intergrade you sent me never ate like you keep saying either. i had to pinkie pump it non stop to keep it alive. but you already knew that, you just failed to disclose it.....dan felice
 
He did explain it. You just don't agree with it. Each to their own. You guys might as well stop arguing, you will never agree.

S~
 
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