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Rare Monitors up for Adoption

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You have got to be joking! As far as I'm concerned you've just had a monumental lapse in judgement, and now it will the be monitors that will be paying for it.

Even just the thought that you sent him the monitors....after everything he has said here....makes me really sick to my stomach.
 
Oh man. I just read his posts. He doesn't even know the proper setup for the "green ones" and the "blue ones".

Yeah, they went to a knowledgeable keeper.

Ignoring the fact that I could have provided for them, there were IMO, far more capable people to give these to that ALREADY KNOW what the care requirements are.

I hope it all works out for the animals sakes.

BTW, why is he now banned from this site?
 
I think..

Steve meant Thomas. I didn't look to see why he was fined and suspended.

Rob, you never wrote to me either. Not that it matters, but I am one of those who responded to this thread.

Something smells a little funky to me, but I'll just get out the Oust and toodle on over to the other threads. Ta.
 
BILLY WILLIAMS said:
but I think we can all agree, that Thomas was the best candidate for these animals.

Thanks again people,
Regards,

Rob
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I will agree to disagree, because you talked to someone on the phone for awhile you know everything about them? Let me know if you want the list of people on the BOI who could tell you they thought the same thing!!
 
Both kawtnuffin and vampgirl have been fined and suspended. Their posts degenerated into name calling and hostility.

And Maggie, I share your suspicions. This dialog and its culmination seem hinky to me.
 
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I posted animals up for adoption, and it turned into a battleground between many of you... and you expect to me to hand over my animals to you???
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Well the person you gave them to was suspended and fined for his actions.

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I am especially disappointed in both Palex and TripleMoonExotics behavior in this thread, as much of what they had posted had nothing to do with the original post, and was nothing more than antagonistic comments directed at both Vampiregirl and Kawtnuffin.
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From what I rad the were just as guilty!!

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Over the weekend, I had contacted every individual who responded to this thread. Interestingly, many of the individuals never responded back to me.
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We know this is not true since Steve was never contacted.

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I felt that Thomas would be the best candidate for these animals. He was the only person that I felt confortable in believing to be an honest to good guy(after all, he was raised by a baptist minister!) Education and grammar do not matter when it comes to keeping reptiles, and I am sure he will do a good job with them.
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I spent 12 years in a Catholic school, does that make me a good home for them? Also I believe education is an important thing for keeping reptiles!! Maybe not grammar.
 
Hmmmmm

Over the weekend, I had contacted every individual who responded to this thread. Interestingly, many of the individuals never responded back to me.
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Well........I responded back on oh, page 2 and 3....and I never got any messages. Not that it bothers me that I wasn't offered a chance at these animals, I KNOW I have neither the time nor knowledge of the animals to properly take care of them. And since I still have chickens, I cannot foresee tearing down my coop to build for them. :rolleyes:

Something just doesn't smell right about this whole thread.....and I don't think it's cat food I'm smelling. :ack2:
 
I think this whole thread was just another "psychology experiment". LOL!
 
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Any bets on whether or not the animals ever existed in the first place?

Yeah, something is fishy.... :toiletcla
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You nailed that one. I highly doubt they ever existed. Nobody in there right mind would have given away such high dollar animals to someone who not only could not grasp the English language but also did a stint in Prison. Can you say....proof of prior lapse's in judgement?

I never responded in the earlier posts as I felt something was amiss from the get go. Now, I know there was.....

Griz
 
Well it appears as though Thomas has been banned for using a word which I would not deem offensive or indecent (he got banned for using the word "P ie- H ole"- how silly is that?). Anyways, Thomas sent me an update as soon as he received the animals yesterday afternoon/evening.

Apparently something happened while shipping, as the female emerald tree monitor arrived dead. I would love to know what happened to it, as I thought that I did everything necessary to ensure a safe voyage. Unfortunately, Thomas carefully explained to me that he hasn't the money at the moment to have such a necropsy done on the animal. It really hurts to know that the female died; she was one of my most favorite captives. This was in no way Thomas' fault; if anything it was my own, and I blame myself(regardless of what the true cause may have been). I specifically shipped with the airline, to avoid any possible shipping complications, as the animals would be in transit for a shorter period of time. Words cannot express how I feel right now.

He has sent me various photos of the animals set up in their temporary enclosures, as well as several photos of the dead female V. prasinus, in an attempt for me or anybody else to possibly identify what could have gone wrong. All of the other animals appear to be fine and healthy, although I did have to make a few suggestions to Thomas on his temporary setups. Hopefully with the advice and suggestions I gave him, my(his) animals will do well and live a long, healthy life.

I can see that many of you are upset with my decision, but I assure you, that they are in good hands. As for the people that claim I never contacted them, I am sorry if there was some problem in communicating, or you not getting my messages. I assure you I tried contacting every single individual on this thread, even if it was just to thank them for their interest. I am not good with computers, so it is very possible that I messed up somewhere along the line. Once again, my apologies.

Here are a few of the photos that Thomas sent me last night. Can anybody make anything out from these photos? I am not an expert in determining the cause of death of reptiles, as I haven't had much experience with this in my own collection(death). Any help would be greatly appreciated(despite being after-the-fact).

Rob
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Here are the other photos which Thomas sent me last evening. He did forget to include photos of the Pilbara Rock. I will see if he can send some photos of that individual as well; and I will post them here for you to view.

Blue Tree male:
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Blue Tree female:
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Emerald Tree male:
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Kimberly Rock females:
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kimberly rock male:
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I'm sorry...

about the female, Robert. Alas, from the pictures it is impossible to say for certain just what she may have died from. It could have been as simple as she stressed to death. Being shipped, no matter how comfortable and complete the packing job, is a stressful situation. Perhaps she just wasn't as resilient as the others who, by the way, are beautiful animals.

I wish them long, happy and healthy lives in their new home.

As for communication on this forum, it is relatively easy if you do it through the forum private messaging system. I have yet to miss a message or an e-mail that has come via this forum. (One of the reasons I like it here so much :) ) Next time you would like to get in touch with one of us here try that route, it'll be easier on you and we're more likely to get your message.
 
To all the doubting-Thomas'....do you believe now?? Sad.....really, really sad! To think they could have gone to a good home with a number of people that posted on here.
 
I guess my spelling was too good and I didn't call "dibs", so my respect level dropped. Meh, its a shame. I love how most of the time during the thread, we were talking about husbandry, and care, such as keeping them all in one big room together and feeding them cat food.
 
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If you are interested in taking on ALL of these monitors, please respond to this thread below with your level of personal experience, prior monitor experiences, accomodations which you have available to house these animals, and why you think I should choose you to be the new keeper of these rare and amazing animals.

I will not give these animals away to any old person, so please, serious inquiries ONLY.
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Bob

I am not a monitor person but I just would like to meke a couple of comments.

First, these are your animals. You are entitled to do anything you like with them.

That said, the quote above came from your first post. On frst glance it sounds like you have some very solid parameters for choosing your animal's new caregiver.

Where this theory breaks down is when your final choice was an illiterate 21 year old kid who just recently got out of prison. This was your choice over someone who has years of experience and the financial means to care properly for a group of animals that do require significant and relatively expensive housing and husbandry? I am sorry. You seem like an intelligent individual but the logic here escapes me. A couple of the folks who responded here are well known on the reptile community and their word is pretty much beyoond reproach

The only other point I would like to make is that your vehement attitude against folks who sell their animals is a bit confusing. Over the last two years you have posted a number of YOUR animals for sale on this very site. Monitors incuded. Contradictory to say the least.

I would be far more worried that the new owner would end up selling the animals for eating money or possibly bail than I would have been about the legitamate interested parties selling them.

Just an opinion.
 
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