Ray's Reptilia and North Port Reptiles... one and the same?

Heika · Apr 7, 2006

I belong to another forum, and a couple of the new members there have received really, really poor service from Ray's Reptilia. One of them just pointed out a new site.. North Port Reptiles. He said that when he called and spoke to Ray's Reptilia, he spoke to Joy, who was his secretary. Anyhow.. now a Joy has a very similar website to Ray's, is advertising on Kingsnake (and maybe here?) and it appears that Ray's ads are nowhere to be found. In addition, there were several identical pictures on both sites yesterday, although they seem to have taken care of that after a person from the forum emailed North Port Reptiles and asked if they were associated with another reptile company. After checking again, it looks like only the bearded dragon section on both sites share the same pictures still. The response given to the member was that, no, that they were a new company all together. Anyhow, neither site has a phone number or an address, so it is a bit hard to verify that they are one and the same. I suppose "Joy" could have struck out on her own? Somehow, I don't believe that is the case. Here are the two websites..

http://www.northportreptiles.com
http://www.raysreptilia.com

Heika Sample

Joejr14 · Apr 7, 2006

Sure looks the same. The whole 'baby albino corns 65 dollars shipped' indicates to me that they are in fact the same, or related. I've not seen anyone else in the industry word their ads like that---smells and looks like Ray's "I Ship USPS" Reptilia all the way.

Anyone contact North Port and see how they ship?

ByRandom · Apr 7, 2006

http://www.raysreptilia.com

Domain Name.......... raysreptilia.com
Creation Date........ 2003-05-07
Registration Date.... 2003-05-07
Expiry Date.......... 2006-05-07
Organisation Name.... Ramon Torres
Organisation Address. 8314 Marwood dr
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. richmond
Organisation Address. 23235
Organisation Address. VA
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES

Admin Name........... Ramon Torres
Admin Address........ 8314 Marwood dr
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ richmond
Admin Address........ 23235
Admin Address........ VA
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... [email protected]
Admin Phone.......... +1.8046740762

http://www.northportreptiles.com

Domain Name.......... northportreptiles.com
Creation Date........ 2006-04-03
Registration Date.... 2006-04-03
Expiry Date.......... 2007-04-03
Organisation Name.... Ramon Torres
Organisation Address. P O Box 99800
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. EmeryVille
Organisation Address. 94662
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. US

Admin Name........... PrivateRegContact Admin
Admin Address........ P O Box 99800
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ EmeryVille
Admin Address........ 94662
Admin Address........ CA
Admin Address........ US
Admin Email.......... [email protected]
Admin Phone.......... +1.5105952002

Same Person? I think so.

Joejr14 · Apr 7, 2006

Busted!

ByRandom · Apr 7, 2006

joejr14 said:
Busted!

I would sure say so.

joepythons · Apr 7, 2006

nice

Good catch Josh!!! I bet Ray will post later on that this site has nothing to due with him

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ExecutiveReptiles · Apr 7, 2006

I thought

I thought the same thing, When I saw this new Company advertising, I Imediatily thought of Rays Reptilia...Its one thing to try and salvage your reputation...but its another thing to start up a whole new company and try to start fresh and think everyone will not notice...I saw that too...the way he words his adds...they where identical...Glad other people saw the same thing..

ByRandom · Apr 7, 2006

Just another reason to point out that these are the same people (if it isn't blatantly obvious by now):

These are exerpts from their HTML code:

http://www.northportreptiles.com said:


<html>
<head>
<title>Reptiles for sale at North Port Reptiles </title>
<meta name="generator" content="Yahoo! SiteBuilder/2.2.4/1.5.0_06">
<meta name="keywords" content="reptiles,snakes,boas,pythons for sale,boa constrictors,snakes forsale,chameleons for sale,bearded dragonsforsale,">



<style type="text/css"></style>
<script>// workaround for IE table layout bugs
function tableWorkaround(cols) { if (document.all) { document.write('<tr>'); for (var i = 0; i < cols; i++) { document.write('<td></td>'); } document.write('</tr>') }; }
function tableWorkaround2_colheader() { if (document.all) { document.write('<col width="0">') }; }
function tableWorkaround2(rowHeight) { if (document.all) { document.write('<td height="' + rowHeight + '">'); document.write('</td>') }; }
</script>
</head>

http://www.raysreptilia.com said:


<html>
<head>
<title>Ray's Reptilia Breeder of Fine Reptiles </title>
<meta name="generator" content="Yahoo! SiteBuilder/2.2.4/1.5.0_06">
<meta name="author" content="Ray Torres">
<meta name="keywords" content="snakes,reptile sfo rsale,snakes for sale,reptile breeder,chameleons,bearded dragons,sales,">



<style type="text/css"></style>
<script>// workaround for IE table layout bugs
function tableWorkaround(cols) { if (document.all) { document.write('<tr>'); for (var i = 0; i < cols; i++) { document.write('<td></td>'); } document.write('</tr>') }; }
function tableWorkaround2_colheader() { if (document.all) { document.write('<col width="0">') }; }
function tableWorkaround2(rowHeight) { if (document.all) { document.write('<td height="' + rowHeight + '">'); document.write('</td>') }; }
</script>
</head>

Very very similar.

http://www.northportreptiles.com said:
<body bgcolor="#000000" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" vlink="#800080" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" topmargin="0" leftmargin="0" hspace="0" vspace="0">
<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="992" height="1804">

http://www.raysreptilia.com said:
<body bgcolor="#000000" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" vlink="#800080" marginheight="0" marginwidth="1" topmargin="0" leftmargin="1" hspace="1" vspace="0">
<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="1025" height="2536">

http://www.northportreptiles.com said:
<script language="JavaScript" src="http://hostingprod.com/js_source/geov2.js"></script><script language="javascript">geovisit();</script><noscript><img src="http://visit.webhosting.yahoo.com/visit.gif?us1144460473" alt="setstats" border="0" width="1" height="1"></noscript>
<IMG SRC="http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=76001405&t=1144460473&f=p7w4" ALT=1 WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1>

http://www.raysreptilia.com said:
<script language="JavaScript" src="http://hostingprod.com/js_source/geov2.js"></script><script language="javascript">geovisit();</script><noscript><img src="http://visit.webhosting.yahoo.com/visit.gif?us1144460476" alt="setstats" border="0" width="1" height="1"></noscript>
<IMG SRC="http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=76001405&t=1144460476" ALT=1 WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1>

Exactly the same.

ByRandom · Apr 7, 2006

A Few Screenshots.

Chameleon Company · Apr 7, 2006

Heika,
To the viewer, we traded PM's about this before you began this thread, but I would like to publicly compliment you and those that helped bring this information here. To the others of you who can pull up all the codes etc, this dense old man salutes you. I am happy enough just being able to take digital pictures. I will speculate that the motivation by Ray was to run from his name (kind of a tough reality, eh?). I would suggest that those of you with an outstanding issue with Ray report what you have to Kingsnake, etc., as he may have worn out his welcome there, and they won't take kindly to the reincarnation if just to duck his track record there.
And to Ray, if you or an employee read this. We reside in the same state, and I sell to people who in turn sell to you. I defecate better than your past business practices. If you finally want to do it right, I salute you. But you need to start with a lot of the folks who you swindled, and you did swindle them. Surely you do not have all the money to make restitution now, but you can get your name back by contacting them, and making an arrangement. It could take many months for you to fix things, maybe longer. It is do-able. Until then ..... well, I am glad these computer sleuths are not on my butt.

Heika · Apr 7, 2006

Thanks for the good advice, Jim. And, thanks to all of you who chased it down and made it conclusive!

Heika

rabernet · Apr 20, 2006

Snakedepot.com also Ray?

Can anyone run the code to see if http://www.snakedepot.com is also Ray? Someone on another forum had inquired about them, and after checking BOI it yielded nothing. They said they had contacted the site and received a phone call that they missed - but called the number back from their caller ID and the machine said "thank you for calling Ray's Reptilia". Has he started yet another site?

Gecko_Den · Apr 20, 2006

Domain Name.......... snakedepot.com
Creation Date........ 2006-04-08
Registration Date.... 2006-04-08
Expiry Date.......... 2007-04-08
Organisation Name.... SNAKE DEPOT
Organisation Address. P O Box 99800
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. EmeryVille
Organisation Address. 94662
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. US

Admin Name........... PrivateRegContact Admin
Admin Address........ P O Box 99800
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ EmeryVille
Admin Address........ 94662
Admin Address........ CA
Admin Address........ US
Admin Email.......... [email protected]
Admin Phone.......... +1.5105952002
Admin Fax............

Tech Name............ PrivateRegContact TECH
Tech Address......... P O Box 99800
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... EmeryVille
Tech Address......... 94662
Tech Address......... CA
Tech Address......... US
Tech Email........... [email protected]
Tech Phone........... +1.5105952002
Tech Fax.............
Name Server.......... yns1.yahoo.com
Name Server.......... yns2.yahoo.com

The previous information has been obtained either directly from the registrant or a registrar of the domain name other than Network Solutions. Network Solutions, therefore, does not guarantee its accuracy or completeness.

Show underlying registry data for this record

Current Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE
IP Address: 216.39.58.40 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-CALIFORNIA-SUNNYVALE
Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: Snake Depot
Meta Description: We are breeders of boas ,pythons,bearded dragons,chameleons,turtles,tortoises,kingsnakes,milksnakes and other fine reptiles
Meta Keywords: snakes,reptiles,snakes for sale,reptiles for sale,chameleons,bearded dragons,boas,pythons,ball pythons,turtles for sale ,tortoises,

Bill & Amy · Apr 20, 2006

Looks like all this information is the same as the other above.

Admin Address........ P O Box 99800
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ EmeryVille
Admin Address........ 94662
Admin Address........ CA

joepythons · Apr 20, 2006

ad

Check this ad out,Rays new name is "Razz)

.http://www.reptilemarket.com/cgi-bi...sults_format=long&db_id=11232&query=retrieval

Cat_72 · Apr 20, 2006

Geez, for someone who claims that neither BOI nor his shady dealings have any effect on his business, he sure changes names a lot. LOL.

joepythons · Apr 20, 2006

true

Cat_72 said:
Geez, for someone who claims that neither BOI nor his shady dealings have any effect on his business, he sure changes names a lot. LOL.

Yea but the real funny part about all this is.No matter what he changes his name or business name to the members of the BOI always bust him :hehe:

.

Griz · Apr 20, 2006

That's a true tell tell sign of a scumbag. Anytime someone has to use multiple alias's to hide their identity, especially when they deny it after being busted, you know you're dealing with true scum of the earth.

Griz

joepythons · Apr 21, 2006

be nice

Bob, calling Ray names is not a nice thing to do now.

norsmis · Apr 21, 2006

Ray will also delete any posts on his forums that shed any light to his shady dealings.
I agree with you Griz..........

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