Cat_72
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norsmis said:
Delete them and "ban" you, lol. I'm pretty sad about not being allowed to post on Ray's forum....
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Ray's Reptilia and North Port Reptiles... one and the same?
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Delete them and "ban" you, lol. I'm pretty sad about not being allowed to post on Ray's forum....
Griz
Driving the short bus....
joepythons said:
Nice try Joe, but as is evident to anyone reading the post, I am not referring to Ray specifically but scammers as a whole and their behaviors. I am sure I can come up with other "real life" examples of this pattern if need be.
Griz
norsmis
Absurdly Existing
Yeah it really hurt my feelings also when he "banned" me from participating in the "Ray is a great guy" forums. If you notice on his forums, the only people posting there are kids who don't realize Ray sold them sick animals if he sent them at all. I am just glad we have some cyber super sleuths here to weed out the "Ray's" of this business and expose them. Kudos to all of you who do this for the community!Cat_72 said:Delete them and "ban" you, lol. I'm pretty sad about not being allowed to post on Ray's forum....
darkbloodwyvern
New member
Disturbed by image in lower left corner
Um, not to bring up something offtopic, but the pic of the white and black king eating what looks like a beautiful adult corn is REALLY disturbing.
In the lower left hand corner of the front page. I understand the whole kings-eat-other-snakes thing, but if i had a king and corn that were that large and beautiful, i would not be feeding one to another. And by the bright coloration of the corn, it looks like he was freshly killed or is still alive, not just a circumstance of, "oh, the corn died, I'll feed him to the king."
That pic to me reminds me of the kids who buy mice so their cats can kill it, a waste of life, & from the looks of it, about $65 worth of corn snake in leui of $4 worth rodent prey. This is something that would lead me away from buying from any breeder, unless they had some explaination other that, "well that looks like a great pic to show my expert husbandry of herps..."
Um, not to bring up something offtopic, but the pic of the white and black king eating what looks like a beautiful adult corn is REALLY disturbing.
In the lower left hand corner of the front page. I understand the whole kings-eat-other-snakes thing, but if i had a king and corn that were that large and beautiful, i would not be feeding one to another. And by the bright coloration of the corn, it looks like he was freshly killed or is still alive, not just a circumstance of, "oh, the corn died, I'll feed him to the king."
That pic to me reminds me of the kids who buy mice so their cats can kill it, a waste of life, & from the looks of it, about $65 worth of corn snake in leui of $4 worth rodent prey. This is something that would lead me away from buying from any breeder, unless they had some explaination other that, "well that looks like a great pic to show my expert husbandry of herps..."
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Cat_72
Back from exile :)
Um....where do you see this picture? Left hand corner of what page where?
Roy Munson
New member
Cat_72
Back from exile :)
Ah.....forgive me, I was confused, I thought she was talking about the page she was on HERE.....
*blonde moment*
*blonde moment*
kmurphy
New member
It must have been a gray moment too, as I thought the same thing.
norsmis
Absurdly Existing
This is posted under the pic:
This snake died of natural causes and was
subequently fed to this kingsnake.
If you have any questions about anything you
see on this website contact us before you
come to any conclusions.
Ray
This snake died of natural causes and was
subequently fed to this kingsnake.
If you have any questions about anything you
see on this website contact us before you
come to any conclusions.
Ray
Cat_72
Back from exile :)
That cornsnake looks dang near the same size as the King....how about if we ask if the king died of natural causes after eating that corn too???
Cat_72
Back from exile :)
*notes the extreme sarcasm of my previous post* 
scalesnstuff
New member
Just Added?
I do not recall seeing that when I looked th first time.norsmis said:
darkbloodwyvern
New member
Cat_72 said:
um, yeah, i want to know too!
I still would not trust that... what if the corn died of IBD or an RI and passed it on the king eating it??? I know snakes have better digestive tracts than humans, but if a snake died of "natural causes" in my snake room, it would be in the freezer out of any contact with feeders or living animals that would have any contact with my reptiles, not on a dinner plate.
I did NOT see any notes or warnings, just the picture. I am still highly supicious that a responsible owner or breeder would not take a dead snake to the vet for analysis and cremation, no matter how cool it would be ("cool" as in immature and thoughtless of potential risks and harm to the king and other snakes) to get a "snake eat snake" image.
darkbloodwyvern
New member
come to conclusions?
"This snake died of natural causes and was
subequently fed to this kingsnake.
If you have any questions about anything you
see on this website contact us before you
come to any conclusions.
Ray"
If i may add to my previous post, the fact that someone may have purposefully fed a live healthy snake to another is rather disturbing. However, just as disturbing to me is the fact that I would never trust the health of an animal that died of natural causes as a feeder animal to ANY of my pets. yes, accidents happen, and I've known several people have had a king escape and eat another snake.
However, most of them don't take pictures of it and put them on their websites because on their part, it is considered a mistake or a failure of their responsibility for the saftey and health of their animals. I feel a responsible owner would not glorify their mistakes, or endanger the health of their livestock by introducting any contagion via prey or otherwise. If the snake had signs of being previosly frozen, perhaps i could forgive what appears to be a risky situation, as some snakes will insist on eating specific prey, be it live rodents versus F/T or cold-blooded vs. warm-blooded prey. If the snake eating the corn was known to only accept reptilian prey, perhaps. I have never seen any information about a king who would not accept more reasonable prey.
In my experience, it is rare for reptiles to die of natural causes in captivity, and even when they do die of old age, most people bury them in their backyard, or even more responsibly dispose of the bodies with an experienced person on the offhand possibility that said corpse could be a carrier of some debilitating or heaven forbid, fatal disease to other animals.
I have never read or seen any responsible and trustworthy breeder of any kind of animal encourage exposure to a very likely health hazard in the way that this image shows.
You can argue that it is natural for snakes to eat one another, but we are keeping them in cages and treating them as pets, which is not in any way natural to a snake. Our responsibility to these animals is to protect them from "natural" dangers since they are very limited in what is natural to them when they are living in captivity.
So if that is coming to a conclusions, then I do apoligise. Otherwise, I can come to no other conclusion that there are animals at risk that should not be at risk, and I have a very hard time respecting such irresponsible behavior.
"This snake died of natural causes and was
subequently fed to this kingsnake.
If you have any questions about anything you
see on this website contact us before you
come to any conclusions.
Ray"
If i may add to my previous post, the fact that someone may have purposefully fed a live healthy snake to another is rather disturbing. However, just as disturbing to me is the fact that I would never trust the health of an animal that died of natural causes as a feeder animal to ANY of my pets. yes, accidents happen, and I've known several people have had a king escape and eat another snake.
However, most of them don't take pictures of it and put them on their websites because on their part, it is considered a mistake or a failure of their responsibility for the saftey and health of their animals. I feel a responsible owner would not glorify their mistakes, or endanger the health of their livestock by introducting any contagion via prey or otherwise. If the snake had signs of being previosly frozen, perhaps i could forgive what appears to be a risky situation, as some snakes will insist on eating specific prey, be it live rodents versus F/T or cold-blooded vs. warm-blooded prey. If the snake eating the corn was known to only accept reptilian prey, perhaps. I have never seen any information about a king who would not accept more reasonable prey.
In my experience, it is rare for reptiles to die of natural causes in captivity, and even when they do die of old age, most people bury them in their backyard, or even more responsibly dispose of the bodies with an experienced person on the offhand possibility that said corpse could be a carrier of some debilitating or heaven forbid, fatal disease to other animals.
I have never read or seen any responsible and trustworthy breeder of any kind of animal encourage exposure to a very likely health hazard in the way that this image shows.
You can argue that it is natural for snakes to eat one another, but we are keeping them in cages and treating them as pets, which is not in any way natural to a snake. Our responsibility to these animals is to protect them from "natural" dangers since they are very limited in what is natural to them when they are living in captivity.
So if that is coming to a conclusions, then I do apoligise. Otherwise, I can come to no other conclusion that there are animals at risk that should not be at risk, and I have a very hard time respecting such irresponsible behavior.
Roy Munson
New member
I also recognized the photo because it was discussed on cornsnakes.com about a month ago. Ray got bashed pretty good in that thread too, with many people citing the BOI as their source of info about his practices.norsmis said:
I like corns and kings, but this photo raises more questions than "why would anyone do that to a pretty corn snake?" Most of these questions have been raised here too. My biggest concern was prey size for the king. If that corn was ultra-healthy, raised from the egg, and died from being dropped from the second story patio, it would still be way too big for that king. I also have to question the marketing savvy of someone posting that pic on their site when they're trying to sell corns from the same site.
