*(RED FLAG) LnB REPTILES (BIG TIME SCAM)

[HerpVenue]

Maybe your LOVE for bruce is blinding you.
Funny how he knew he would get robbed THAT night.
So instead of calling the police.....he set up "traps"
"TRAPS"?!?!?!? give me a break.
Did he rig it so a cage would come down?
Maybe the floor would have caved in?
or maybe he set up claymore mines all over the place?

yeah right.


Your love for bruce also blinds you.

I guess you can't see his fake receipt that was sold to harry 2 months after harry was gone

here you go.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...d=146524&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

posts by your beloved bruce....eeerrrr I mean harry 4 years after his death
get your head out of bruces big fat @ss

Barry and a friend of his were the first two suspects in the case.

DUHHH?!?!?!?!? your so smart maybe instead of working out on your body...maybe you should work out your brain. How about I break into my house tommorrow. Then when the police comes I tell them your name. Guess who would be the first suspect?

Why do you think he was the first suspect? Because bruce named him DUHHHHH!!!!!

Boy Bruce your so smart.... oh I mean mike

 

[HerpVenue]

did you ever think that maybe The whole C.R.E. break in wasnt really a set up by Bruce? Did you ever think that maybe he got screwed? At first, from what I understand from everyone, Barry and a friend of his were the first two suspects in the case. Then it got turned around on bruce. It's funny that some of the stuff that was stolen from cre, barry is now looking for the oppsite sexes of those animals.

ha ha ha ha ha ha he he he he he he ho ho ho hoh ohoh hi u huh uhuhuh u

That is so funny. you are so two faced.

Do I have to go and get your own post?
The one were we were talking aboutharry shipping venomous.
Then you cam on with your victoria's secret panties all in a wad because we were talking about your boyfriend / daddy without proof.

And guess what? Here you are talking about barry without proof.

oh i get it. we only need proof if its against your sugar daddy
you big burly stud you.

 

[HerpVenue]

Heck, for all I know, you could be helping barry and leroy and that's why you're so protective.

where did I protect barry?
so you think speaking about your beloved is atuomatically protecting his enemies?


helping barry?
I am oh so far away and have no contact with him.

you however have contact with bruce.
sh!t you even use the same ISP...

 

[chad]

Angelo,

Here is Barry White's info

1235 Brain Road
Clover, SC 29710

(803) 222-6646

Email: [email protected]

Hope this helps.

 

[bigshow]

The bottom line is, no matter what your opinion is about bruce/cre, it has nothing to do with barry! That connection is over and done with. My whole point was simply that maybe isnt as innocent as everyone said he was with the break in. WHO KNOWS!? They never did recover the snakes. It's over and done with, move on! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's fine. But, geez guys,.....unless bruce or someone at cre ever did you any personal harm,....let it go. Are your lives so shallow and pointless that all you have to do is get on the boi and rip on bruce/harry/noa/sleepy/doc/dopy/ whatever you want to call him? Lets get back to the subject at hand....BARRY stealing pics and selling things he doesnt have.

 

[HerpVenue]

A: did you ever think that maybe The whole C.R.E. break in wasnt really a set up by Bruce? Did you ever think that maybe he got screwed? At first, from what I understand from everyone, Barry and a friend of his were the first two suspects in the case.

B: The bottom line is, no matter what your opinion is about bruce/cre, it has nothing to do with barry! That connection is over and done with.



A: How are you guys going to sit here and start bashing someone that you have no proof what so ever that he did this?! I mean, maybe he did do it,...I dont know either way. I just find it really funny that you guys start naming him. Just for the record, thats slander. Some of you guys need to chill out.

B: Lets get back to the subject at hand....BARRY stealing pics and selling things he doesnt have.


what you say always differs when it is about different people.
You say one thing when it comes to your beloved bruce.

Then you say something different when it comes to bruce's enemy

but your right this is about barry.

I am just waiting for chuck to get done with his investigation.
because the snakes he is selling could have come from that female.
as far as the pic...my gut says he stole it.
but it could also have been inadvertently given to him as the mother of the snakes he is selling

Anyway keep us informed Chuck.
And like I told you in e-mail.
It might be good for you not to deal with anyone from that part of the country..... you have been having bad luck.

 

[bigshow]

Chuck, good luck with all of this. Keep us posted. Mr. Luna, lets try to be more civil about things. Like I said, we all have our own opinions. Neither one of us know the truth about the cre break in. Someone does, and one day, they'll pay. All I know is that I didnt do it,...and you didnt either, so lets move on. If you dont like Bruce, that's fine,....but geez man,....just let it go. If he does something else down the road that you feel is wrong, then, talk about it. Until then, just let it go.

 

[Wilomn]

Chuck, good luck with all of this. Keep us posted. Mr. Luna, lets try to be more civil about things. Like I said, we all have our own opinions. Neither one of us know the truth about the cre break in. Someone does, and one day, they'll pay. All I know is that I didnt do it,...and you didnt either, so lets move on. If you dont like Bruce, that's fine,....but geez man,....just let it go. If he does something else down the road that you feel is wrong, then, talk about it. Until then, just let it go.

bigshow, perhaps in your neck of the woods it's cool to let a known theif and animal abuser go on his merry way. However, not all of us feel the same way about people who lie and cheat and steal and abuse animals the way your pal bruce does.

Perhaps if you don't like the fact that some people don't want to let it go then you should move on to other pastures where the behaviour you accept and condone is of such low calibre. It won't be accepted or tolerated here on the BOI, not from bruce or anyone else.

Perhaps you and bruce and barry are all in this together. YOU certainly seem to know QUITE a bit about both what bruce has and what barry has and is looking for. You SURE seem to have a lot of information about these two, one a known theif and the other working towards becoming known as one. Why is that?

 

[chuck tornetta reptiles]

Abit off track but back we go. lol.

OK, It really is just a bunch of he said she said still in my own personal deal ,
And like i said before im not sure untill i find out more , i definatly do not want to hurt the reputations of a couple guys just over some false information.
In a nut shell and all i can say now is that , THAT VERY PICTURED FEMALE was sold to a friend of mine as possibly gravid i believe APRIL/ mid may , and a DEAL was made , by myself and my friend to split the litter .if she ever had a litter in the first place .
I was called by a customer who is or at that time was dealing with barry white , for het sharps.
barry sent him my females pic .
barry told him they were from a het male x albino female breeding,
barry told him they were produced at his PARTNER`S Place and his partner name is John m.
JOHN M,. could be anyone any john m, in the world i realize this but,,,,
the confusion starts with this. AND AGAIN NO IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE I REALLY DONT KNOW.
1) MY friend who baught the snake baught her very reasonable ( because she had just been treated for a resp after breeding ) he didnt have room and told me he was putting her temporarily with another breeder`s collection . she was fine and i know that other breeder and everyone was fine with the deal.
but the other breeder does deal with a john, m ./
i cant say if its thew same guy or not.
THIS BUSINESS IS SMALL. EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE. SO IM NOT ACUSING ANYONE and im sure there are a bunch of john m,s i personally only herd of 2 , so far in my reptile breeding / keeping years but thats just me .
and nevermind the fact that barry could have made this name up , see ( no proof )
well thats coinsidence 1
2 was the fact that in 5 adult sharp albinos pictured on my website with no sex markers on the pics , BARRY or someone went all the way to the bottom to pick the very exact female i sold my friend.
lucky guess , i guess .
3, a friend of mine from mississippi , sent barry a money order for snakes sharp hets , ( barry had him make the money order out to john, no last name and rest blank. ) WEIRD.
THEN someone else was saying stuff, and i cant stress enough how i hope it isnt true and how i really want to believe and i think i do this other breeder that its all coinsidence and bull crap.
i just wanted to make sure.
I would love to know 2 things though ;
HAS ANYONE RECIEVED ANY OF THE 7.1 ALBINO SHARPS AND 27 HETS AT ALL.? THAT BARRY SAYS HE HAD
AND who is this john m. and from what state does he live .
this whole thing might very well be just a CREEP using my pic to sell his animals !
i just was fishing to clear up a few coinsidences
chuck tornetta reptiles

The safest place for a MINNOW , IS to hide near the a$$ of a bass

 

[bigshow]

Wes, YOU GOT IT DUDE! You know everything! It's amazing how you think you know everything. If you wanna talk all that smack, start a new thread, this one is about Barry. Not bruce. You and I have gotten into heated discussions before, I am not going to go through it again. YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME! I am not going to fuel your hatred for cre/bruce. I have my opinions on the whole subject and you have yours. Move on. If you have something to say to bruce, why dont you call him up or go to his store and do it?!

 

[Wilomn]

Wes, YOU GOT IT DUDE! You know everything! It's amazing how you think you know everything. If you wanna talk all that smack, start a new thread, this one is about Barry. Not bruce. You and I have gotten into heated discussions before, I am not going to go through it again. YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME! I am not going to fuel your hatred for cre/bruce. I have my opinions on the whole subject and you have yours. Move on. If you have something to say to bruce, why dont you call him up or go to his store and do it?!

Don't get all bent out of shape bigmouth, you are the one who has come on here with so much knowledge of both bruce's and barry's snakes.

I don't hate bruce or harry or noah or any of his other personalities, I despise them, but that's different entirely.

Now, back to the questions I had for you, why do YOU know so much about barry's snakes, the snakes he wants and the snakes he's gotten rid of? We all know that you and bruce have some sort of relationship and that it's hard to see the light when your head is burried so I'm not even bothering with his connection to you.

You know so much about barry, tell us why? You seem privy, once again, to information that the rest of us would like to have ourselves.

Personally I think the whole bruce/barry/bigmouth connection is MUCH more entangled than any of us have found out yet. But, like you say, maybe I'm wrong.

Your CONVICTED animal abuser friend has connections to barry. barry is now in the middle of some VERY interesting questions. You seem to know barry pretty well too. Share with us your vast knowledge of these carolinians and their reptiles. Please.

It would seem that you bigmouth, with bruce being such a good friend and he and barry being so closely connected by their past, would be in the best position to enlighten us as to what really happened to those albinos and hets that are in question. Don't you WANT to help the herp community find out if there is yet another scam being perpetrated against it? Hmmmmmmm?

 

[chuck tornetta reptiles]

I have a question about these clowns

As manny of you know , there is BIG words flying when you mention harry , bruce , hce, noa , ect ..... about him scammin loads of people, and i dont remember him ever comming on this forum to defend himself in any way.( i could be wrong i havent paid that close attention.)
Now we have this Barry white who seems to be the same sheep in different clothing .
But they both still post like every day , and i just heard that bruce sold an albino burm to one of my friends customers and it died inside of a month blowing CHUNKS . not just bubbles CHUNKS .
Thats pneumonia full blown, and had mites to boot.
WHY DOES KINGSNAKE ALLOW KNOWN CROOKS TO POST IN THERE FORUM, im not bashing kingsnake . i love that site, but if someone screws multiple people there should definatly be a 3 strikes and your out policy.
chuck tornetta reptiles

cement shoes will alter swimming , pack a lunch.

 

[bigshow]

Hey, WES, BIGMOUTH, the reason I know what I do about what barry is doing is because he posts it on kingsnake you idiot! Geez, get a clue

 

[HerpVenue]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...d=146524&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

The link above will outline Bruce's........errr I mean Harry's replies four years after he has been dead. He was defending himself........errrr I mean his son Bruce.

But bigshow / mike still holds Bruce in high regard. (as you can tell) He will not make a comment on the above because he can't. He will pretend he did not see it....because he can't admit his beloved is a crook and that he is wrong about his beloved
I guess birds of a feather flock together.

He does not think there is anything wrong with impersonating your dead father.
He does not think there is anything wrong with misrepresenting animals
He does not think there is anything wrong with ripping off people.

some of those "het" piebalds he has sold should be ready to mate soon. We shall soon see.

and when they dont prove out........bigshow here will still take bruces side. Because like I said. Birds of a feather flock together.

How can you take the side of someone so wrong ....unless you were helping in the wrong doing? IMO



Anyway Chuck to answer your question.
Unless the police are involved.....Jeff B won't do anything.
And the police are just not interested in learning about hets or dealing with reptiles. So people like him and his bossom buddies will continue to get away with it.

Besides he probably just does not want to get involved for legalities sake. ( I guess I can't blame him)

 

[bigshow]

Ok, yea, so anyways,.....................back to barry now. For anyone who thinks that barry and bruce are working together,....after everything that happened with the break in,...they really dont care for each other any more. And guys, yes, I will stand up for bruce until I ACTUALLY see him do something wrong. Which, I havent yet. If I actually do one day, you can be your bottom dollar I'll be the first to do something about it. Until then, I will not sit here and believe people that I do not know. People that seem to just have it out for bruce for whatever reason. Now, if you are unable to understand that, I'm sorry. That's the kind of person I am regardless if you like it or dont! Get over it fellas! Get back to the subject at hand...BARRY! Has anyone else noticed that since all of this came out about him,...you dont see a single post from him on kingsnake? Sounds to me like he's hiding.

And one more thing, Mr Luna and Wes,.....Guys,.....whether you believe me or not, I am not Bruce. I am not Barry. I have my opinions,....quit attacking me for them! Like I said, if/when I ever see Bruce actually do something wrong, I'll get on here and let you two guys know before anyone else! Until then, GET OFF OF MY CASE!

 

[bcfos]

Re: I have a question about these clowns

As manny of you know , there is BIG words flying when you mention harry , bruce , hce, noa , ect ..... about him scammin loads of people, and i dont remember him ever comming on this forum to defend himself in any way.( i could be wrong i havent paid that close attention.)
Now we have this Barry white who seems to be the same sheep in different clothing .
But they both still post like every day , and i just heard that bruce sold an albino burm to one of my friends customers and it died inside of a month blowing CHUNKS . not just bubbles CHUNKS .
Thats pneumonia full blown, and had mites to boot.
WHY DOES KINGSNAKE ALLOW KNOWN CROOKS TO POST IN THERE FORUM, im not bashing kingsnake . i love that site, but if someone screws multiple people there should definatly be a 3 strikes and your out policy.
chuck tornetta reptiles

cement shoes will alter swimming , pack a lunch.

Chuck you know as well as I do that kingsanke allows those crooks to post because it means money for them. Bottom line is they really don't care about anything except getting those fees for posting for sale ads.

And I will bash KINGSCAM as I like to call them for this. You would think they would get complaints on people and turn them away, but not no but HELL NO!! They think only in dolars and cents, not about the bad name certain crooks give their site.

 

[HerpVenue]

guys, yes, I will stand up for bruce until I ACTUALLY see him do something wrong.

that is nice.
here he is impersonating his DEAD father
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...d=146524&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

Did you see it?

here he is impersonating DEAD his father
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...d=146524&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending
Did you see it that time?

 

[HerpVenue]

enclosed is a nice little picture harry/bruce is passing around as a receipt for his piebald.

Look at the picture.

1. The Ratley's forgot how to spell their own name

2. It was written to HCE but according to DEAD harry he did not become hce until 2002 Look at the receipt dated 1999 (I guess the ratley's can see into the future.

3. Look at the date of the receipt 7/8/99.........harry died in May 1999

And guys, yes, I will stand up for bruce until I ACTUALLY see him do something wrong.

Interesting..... so unless you see it... You will continue to stand up for them.

Lets get back to the subject at hand....BARRY stealing pics and selling things he doesnt have.

gee you were not there to see it.

Hey, LUNA,.........did you ever think that maybe The whole C.R.E. break in wasnt really a set up by Bruce? Did you ever think that maybe he got screwed? At first, from what I understand from everyone, Barry and a friend of his were the first two suspects in the case. Then it got turned around on bruce. It's funny that some of the stuff that was stolen from cre, barry is now looking for the oppsite sexes of those animals. That doesnt seem funny to you? Oh, what am I thinking?.......You talk about me being blind...........maybe your hatred for bruce is blinding you now smart guy! Heck, for all I know, you could be helping barry and leroy and that's why you're so protective.

You were not there to see it.


I guess you are a man of double standards when it comes to your beloved brucey.

I sent you links so you can see.
but you refuse to read it.....because you might see. You would hate that feeling of betrayal by your beloved brucey.
Did you all meet in the jail where he was at?

 

[HerpVenue]

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he above was posted on kingsnake <!-- Posted by: luvthemherps 199.222.138.152 1063245625-->
Want to know what is funny?
Harry has been dead for over four years at that point



Look out for this criminal

 

[craig kade]

anyone recognize this pic, it was sent as the father of Barry's hets.