Bad Guy Reptidoc Dr. Darryl G. Walker

[hhmoore]

Can either side show emails to back their statements??
hint for Josh: Check your Sent folder...most people aren't as diligent about deleting those.

 

[Reptileman81]

First hhmore I checked and I dont have any saved pms. I have one but it just states what I wanted and got from Doc. Also yes both of those statements contradict each other.

Second you want records and proof. Well I can provide some. I how ever can not provide pics. I am a terrible photographer as many know. Also I dont keep around morbid pics of dead snakes. I know most of you think I am just someone looking for compensation or someone to blame. I am not looking for anything but to show everyone that even the big name breeders mess up. Really Doc is not even a big name. In the corn snake world I guess he is but in the reptile community most have never heard of him.

I am not trying to bad mouth anyone. I only speak the truth. I live my life without lies in it. I raise my kids with the same mind frame that lying is the worst thing you can do. So if you dont believe me thats fine but dont call me a lier cause this I am not.

My purchase list first shipment: $625
0.2 Ultramel (het Caramel)(ph Blood)
0.2 Ultramel (het Lavender)(ph Blood)
1.0 Ultramel Blood
1.0 Goldust Motley (het Stripe)
1.0 Hypo (het Stripe)(ph Opal)
0.1 Hybino (het Opal)(ph Stripe)
0.1 Lavender Motley (het Stripe)
1.0 Amel (het Hypo)(ph Opal)

My second shipment $170 (for the Butter (het Hypo)
Adult proven Butter (het Hypo) Which Doc was very insistent that I buy. I told him I was looking at another Butter. He said "well is the other one het Hypo. Mine is a much better snake." He was kinda rude at this point. I then told him it was a male I was looking at to go with the female I wanted from him.
1.0 Amel (het Hypo)(ph Opal) to replace the one that died in shipment.

Here is the dead list: 0.1 Ultramel (het Caramel)(ph Blood) 3-23-10, 2.0 Amel (het Hypo)(ph Opal) first in shipment second 4-27-10, 1.0 Goldust Motley (het Stripe) I put him out of his misery on 9-14-10

Here are some facts:

The Ultramel that died ate twice then died (feeding 3-10,3-15 and regurgitated on 3-18). The Amel that died on me fed record 3-15,3-23,4-1,4-7,4-9,4-15,4-23. I added the Goldust Motley's Fed Record on here.

The weights of these animals that ranged from 5-9 months old cause Doc could not provide any real hatch dates just gave me a range for the group. Some hatched in june and july. While others hatched in sept. and oct.

0.1 Ultramel (het Caramel)(ph Blood) 3-19 9g 9-18 25g
0.1 Ultramel (het Caramel)(ph Blood) 3-17 8g Died
0.1 Ultramel (het Lavender)(ph Blood) 3-16 7g 9-18 17g
0.1 Ultramel (het Lavender)(ph Blood) 3-16 8g Died
1.0 Ultramel Blood 3-17 12g 9-18 25g
1.0 Goldust Motley (het Stripe) 3-16 14g 6-10 13g As you can she he was losing weight. Thou he did put some on after this. They he took a turn for the worst and started regurgitating and getting thin.
1.0 Hypo (het Stripe)(ph Opal) 3-17 15g 9-18 62g
0.1 Hybino (het Opal)(ph Stripe) 3-17 14g 9-18 32g
These 2 and the Ultramel Blood are doing great. So out of 11 babies 3 are doing great. That is not great odds. Just poor stock and genes in my opinion. On top of the fact that I do not believe that Doc feeds his babies in the winter. Which I already said and he did not dispute if anyone caught that.
0.1 Lavender Motley (het Stripe) 3-16 8g and 11.5in 9-18 13g Still will not put on much weight. She now is taking longer and longer to eat her mouse. She waits like 2 hours or more sometimes. I think she will be the next to waste away. I hope for the best thou.
1.0 Amel (het Hypo)(ph Opal) 3-16 5g 12.5in This guy as well as the one that died in shipment was just so small. For a snake that should be atleast 5 months old 5g is totally wrong.


As for Doc's comment on my lack of food, not that it is anyone's business but I added my Food Inventory on here as well. I have plenty of food believe me. I have 57 mouths to feed including the snakes I got from him that have yet to die. I have not had any problems with any other snakes but 2 that I knowingly bought as nonfeeders from someone else. As for the fact that yes I was trying to sell some of the snakes that I got from Doc. First I was selling 2 of the best ones I got from him the Hypo male and Ultramel Blood male. The last one was the Goldust Motley. After I realized that he was not doing so well I took the ad down and still have the other 2 snakes. I did not want to sell any of them. But I needed some money at the time. I found other ways to get that money. Once again not that my money situation is anyone's business.

As for getting the second shipment of snakes from him a. he was sending a second shipment to replace the Amel that died in transit b. I figured I would make out on the deal not having to pay shipping for a snake and get a adult from him. I figured he could not send a bad adult. Well he sent me a undersized female that looked like she double clutched back to back with no meals. I also forgot to mention the fact that she wizes. I bet Doc you will not even deny that fact that she wizes.

Then there is all of you people that argue with me. This is a BOI that is open to anyone to put anything about anyone they want up. If one of you had a problem with a seller and told everyone I would not bash you about it. Especially if I had never done business with the seller (which most of you have not). Most of you comment on over half the BOI thread on here. You just can not help yourselves but to get in other peoples business. Then there is the fact that Doc only has one good guy thread with like 2 post in it. So if he is such a good business man and a well known name why does he not have more people willing to say so in BOI.

Now I do not need to justify myself in any other way. You can believe me or not. I dont really care. I spoke my mind and it was the truth. That is all that matters to me. If this thread stops just 1 person from buying from him then I did my job. Even if at the same time 100 people wont buy from me. I do not care about losing business only that the truth got out. Even if it did take 6 months to get the guts to do so.

 

[martin-bernstein]

Thanks for filling in some of the blanks. This actually puts you in a slightly better position to argue your case, or at least it gives ReptileDoc a chance to defend himself from tangible claims rather than abstract complaints. Though without pics (i understand that you don't have any) we still have to take your word for all of the above info.

You are clearly unhappy with the business transaction, and for that I totally feel for you. It is definitely not fun to feel like you've been screwed. But I must say that as of now, I only get the sense that you FEEL that you've been screwed, not that you HAVE been screwed.

Also, you mentioned several times that it "took guts" to post this. But it doesn't show much guts when you do it six months after the fact and without alerting the seller to your concerns when you and him had the chance to work something out.

 

[neelytd]

I call B.S. on this.

On the first document, you have hand written notes dated 9/2/10 and 9/9/10. At the top of the page, it says it was printed today. How is this possible?

 

[Em Wright]

My second shipment $170 (for the Butter (het Hypo)
Adult proven Butter (het Hypo) Which Doc was very insistent that I buy. I told him I was looking at another Butter. He said "well is the other one het Hypo. Mine is a much better snake." He was kinda rude at this point. I then told him it was a male I was looking at to go with the female I wanted from him.

This is something I do have experience with Doc on... I contacted him earlier this year about a snake I was interested in, asked a bunch of questions, and finally told him I didn't think I could swing the price at the time. He was never rude or pushy, he even offered to keep me updated since I had wanted a lone female and he was trying to sell her with a male as a pair, which he did.

I've also been in a situation where I bought a snake that had problems. She refused to eat for me (she was a yearling). I really think she and I just clashed. The whole time I was in contact with the seller and eventually he took her back and gave me a credit. Because the seller and I were in contact we reached a good agreement and I would purchase again from that seller because of how well he handled the situation!

The point I'm making... you should have talked with him in PM when you started having problems with the snakes instead of waiting until six months later to start an issue behind his back.

If anything can be taken from this thread I hope it's that if you're having problems with something you bought contact the seller, save your PMs.

Also, you mentioned several times that it "took guts" to post this. But it doesn't show much guts when you do it six months after the fact and without alerting the seller to your concerns when you and him had the chance to work something out.

Or even alerting him to the thread as far as we know someone else did that.

 

[bloodybaroness]

Also, you mentioned several times that it "took guts" to post this. But it doesn't show much guts when you do it six months after the fact and without alerting the seller to your concerns when you and him had the chance to work something out.

I agree.

This seems like a coward's play. You wait 6 months, provide no proof (sketchy feeding records that can be created at any time do not count,) and can't even man up to inform him of the thread? It took no guts to post what you did.

I'm not sure what game you are at here, but without hard solid proof this is going to be an impossible sale.

Even not being a "good photographer," as you claim, you should have documented the snake's condition in a tangible way.

 

[martin-bernstein]

I call B.S. on this.

On the first document, you have hand written notes dated 9/2/10 and 9/9/10. At the top of the page, it says it was printed today. How is this possible?

I didn't catch that little detail. Thanks for bringing that to our attention Tom. Please explain yourself Reptileman81. Did you handwrite these notes on 9/2/10 and 9/9/10, scan the sheet in to your computer, and then print it out today to then just scan it in again and show the file to us? That makes no sense.

 

[chazzz]

Josh please don't take this as an attack, and I hope you understand my concerns are about the animals and not the transaction.

First I want to address the feed record you posted for the animal that you just put down. Now if I am reading it wrong please correct me.

7/4/10 1-fuzzy
7/6/10 regurgitated
7/9/10 1-fuzzy
7/10/10 regurgitated
7/20/10 1-pinky
7/25/10 1-pinky
8/5/10 1-fuzzy
8/7/10 regurgitated
8/16/10 1-fuzzy
8/17/10 regurgitated
8/25/10 1-fuzzy
8/26/10 regurgitated

I'm not sure why the snake regurgitated the first time but the feeding regiment that you followed would destroy any snake quickly. After the first regurge you should have waited a minimal of two weeks even better 3 weeks before offering another meal. You only waited 3 days after the first regurgitation. Snakes sometimes regurgitate for a number of reasons that aren't related to a serious illness. But continuing to feed with no real time for the snake to build back up gut flora before its next meal you can count on another regurge. Regurgitation is brutal on snakes especially in such a short time frame to have so many. I think you get the point I'm trying to make if you need me to be more specific I will.

My other concern is you stated that all these snakes were sickly with one DOA. The last death had 5 regurgitations before you euthanized it. You also stated another one that died also regurged. Did you ever think about taking them to the vet that there is a chance they could be carrying a nasty virus or crypto that could infect the rest of your collection. It seems from your description of sickly which could mean a lot of things, that you would have shipped them back right away. But since for whatever reason you chose not to inform the seller of your concerns about their health. You decided to keep the animals so it is your responsiblilty to provide the best husbandry possible and that includes a trip to the vet or a necropsy after the first death not the DOA. If there is more that you have not included than I apologize but since you stated this was all you had to offer up I felt the need to address this.

 

[neelytd]

I didn't catch that little detail. Thanks for bringing that to our attention Tom. Please explain yourself Reptileman81. Did you handwrite these notes on 9/2/10 and 9/9/10, scan the sheet in to your computer, and then print it out today to then just scan it in again and show the file to us? That makes no sense.

I would like to add this doing that is almost a technical impossibility. Not really doible by the average user and most advanced users.

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[Amelanistic Orca]

Good shot Charles!!! Just gonna ask some of those questions meself!! Lol.. A snake can take a, "turn for the worse," in 24 hrs.!! Go to a vet asap; or watch em all turn down that path!!

 

[Reptileman81]

I did come to Doc and ask him about hatch dates after a couple weeks. As I stated before he could not give me much info on it. Just a broad range. I came to him about this because the snakes were so small for being 09's I thought maybe they might of been born in Dec. of 09.

I can not say for sure but if my memory serves me right I said something to him at this time about them being so small.

I ment to say above that I dont thing he feeds his babies in the winter.

As for the pages I printed up YES TODAY. I use a reptile tracking software called Viper. So yes I printed off this info today. I then wrote in the info that I could not print off. Believe it or not. As I stated before I am no LIER. I "dont" like to be called one.

As for FEELING I have been screw and weather I was or not. I know I was screwed. How can anyone justify 11 snakes being under 15 grams at a age of 5-9 months. I asume the 4 that were over 10g were the ones that were 9 months old. The ones that were 5,7,8g were 5 months old. As I said most snakes hatch out that big. Then they are double that size in the first month or 2. So maybe Doc you are the one that is lacking money to feed your snakes. Or maybe you are just to cheap to feed them properly. You feed what you plan to keep for yourself well and then what you plan to sell you feed them very little food. Just enough to keep them alive until you can sell them.

I have a 09 I just picked up that weights 252g. This is a Goldust Motley male I got to replace the sickly now dead one I bought from Doc. Now I will admit that this snake I really big for its age. But the snakes I got all should of been over 15g not under. Some should of been well over that. Some should of been about 50g or more. Yet the biggest one was exactly that 15g.

 

[neelytd]

As for the pages I printed up YES TODAY. I use a reptile tracking software called Viper. So yes I printed off this info today. I then wrote in the info that I could not print off. Believe it or not. As I stated before I am no LIER. I "dont" like to be called one.

Josh, you need to understand that no one here is directly attacking your integrity. You should also understand that you need to be 100% completely honest and forthcoming with the documentation that you can provide. Otherwise it looks like your fabricating details to support your claims.

The feeding schedule is really a judgment call on your part, not something I would consider "up for public scrutiny". But you need to understand that we are trying to see if it's possible if you had anything to do with the poor state of these animals.

In my personal opinion, it seems that you are upset at "something" and you don't really care if there's resolution to this situation or not. Your resolution is based off of "screwing" another breeder. This is unsatisfactory, and surely it speaks lower of your character than what you would like us to see.

All in all, I think you've done more damage to yourself than the Doc. Not that my/our opinion should really mean much to you, but for the sake of the integrity of the BOI, use more discretion in future posts.

Tom

 

[Ameivaboy]

Waiting 6 months to say anything- you have no claim against this guy even if he did send sick snakes. You simply can't wait 6 months. You need to address the seller immediatley of any problems. End of story

 

[Reptileman81]

Josh please don't take this as an attack, and I hope you understand my concerns are about the animals and not the transaction.

First I want to address the feed record you posted for the animal that you just put down. Now if I am reading it wrong please correct me.

7/4/10 1-fuzzy
7/6/10 regurgitated
7/9/10 1-fuzzy
7/10/10 regurgitated
7/20/10 1-pinky
7/25/10 1-pinky
8/5/10 1-fuzzy
8/7/10 regurgitated
8/16/10 1-fuzzy
8/17/10 regurgitated
8/25/10 1-fuzzy
8/26/10 regurgitated

I'm not sure why the snake regurgitated the first time but the feeding regiment that you followed would destroy any snake quickly. After the first regurge you should have waited a minimal of two weeks even better 3 weeks before offering another meal. You only waited 3 days after the first regurgitation. Snakes sometimes regurgitate for a number of reasons that aren't related to a serious illness. But continuing to feed with no real time for the snake to build back up gut flora before its next meal you can count on another regurge. Regurgitation is brutal on snakes especially in such a short time frame to have so many. I think you get the point I'm trying to make if you need me to be more specific I will.

My other concern is you stated that all these snakes were sickly with one DOA. The last death had 5 regurgitations before you euthanized it. You also stated another one that died also regurged. Did you ever think about taking them to the vet that there is a chance they could be carrying a nasty virus or crypto that could infect the rest of your collection. It seems from your description of sickly which could mean a lot of things, that you would have shipped them back right away. But since for whatever reason you chose not to inform the seller of your concerns about their health. You decided to keep the animals so it is your responsiblilty to provide the best husbandry possible and that includes a trip to the vet or a necropsy after the first death not the DOA. If there is more that you have not included than I apologize but since you stated this was all you had to offer up I felt the need to address this.

He kept regurgitating because of the strange lump in his mid section. It almost looked like he always had food in him. I let it go for a week or so before I feed him a couple of times before. I took him off of fuzzies and put him back on pinkies hoping that would help. The best thing would of been to take him to the vet. But really in my eyes a vet is for a animal you have a attachment to. I had no attachment to him. He could not stay health enough to grow a attachment for. If I can not self treat or medicate a doctor visit is not worth it. Besides I bought him from a Doctor!!!

Weather you think that this BOI took guts or not I dont care. For someone such as myself to say that someone with a rep like Doc's has sick snakes takes a lot of guts. Especially when that statement is true. He sells sickly ,small, undersized, under fed, suffering animals.

 

[Reptileman81]

Waiting 6 months to say anything- you have no claim against this guy even if he did send sick snakes. You simply can't wait 6 months. You need to address the seller immediatley of any problems. End of story

I will admit that yes waiting this long to speak up is a little fishy and maybe even uncalled for. But look at it this way if you were the next customer to have this happen to you by Doc wouldnt you be glad to know that someone took the time to tell it how it is.

As I stated before (I feel I say that alot cause my statements keep getting looked over) "If I stop one person from buying from Doc then I made a difference. Even if that means at the same time I loss a 100 potently customers. I do not want anything out of this in any way. I am just doing my duty as a contributor on both this site and CS.com to let people know that maybe someone with the respect that Doc has does not deserve it.

 

[Reptileman81]

The matter of the possibility of the documents I put up are real or not. Are you kidding me? You people asked for proof. I told you:

I do how ever have what I recorded as these snakes weight. But what does that matter what I have recorded. I could of faked that. Even thou I use the Viper software and do all of my recordings on there. If it will really put some peoples minds at rest I can put on here what I have recorded there. But as I said if you can not take my word for it now then what will that matter.

As I thought my proof would not be believed either. So in such words you people are calling me a lier. I said a few times I hate to be called a lier. I do not lie about anything ever in my life. So as far as I am concerned anyone here that wants to call me a lier I could not care to ever do business with anyways. So I am not losing anything here.

The blacked out part of the feeding history what do you think is under that. Why would I print something up off of a software just to black something out like that. Because the software puts my address and email on everything for business purposes. I can not fake that. I believe that that even Neelytd even was saying it is impossible to fake.

I would like to add this doing that is almost a technical impossibility. Not really doible by the average user and most advanced users.

 

[wyldwurm]

The best thing would of been to take him to the vet. But really in my eyes a vet is for a animal you have a attachment to. I had no attachment to him. He could not stay health enough to grow a attachment for.

That statement right there is utterly disgusting! How dare you deprive a living creature help that it cannot get for itself! You bought it, YOU are responsible for it's care - period! If you had to get restitution from something that was not your fault, then that is what you do.

But from what I read here, you have no rights to claim anything bad about this seller after 6 months. That's not guts, that's revenge. He is a doctor and you are someone that obviously does not care enough to get medical attention for these animals. I would wager to bet that you are completely responsible for their illnesses and deaths.

Although it is not required in the BOI, without proof, this post is nothing more than empty words that mean little - or nothing.

 

[Fox321]

Wow.. these BOI's always get me heated.

What I'm getting from this, Josh, is that you didn't call the guy after you received the snakes? (I call even when my snakes ARE healthy, just to let them know of the safe arrival.) It's common courtesy. If you simply couldn't find the time to contact him, surely when you saw one DOA, you would've wanted some money back, or some sort of compensation? Your lack of "follow through" has lost you this fight.

Secondly, I dont believe I've ever seen a sign outside a vet facility stating "Pet/Human Bonds Only". Vets are intended for sick animals, of every kind... with or without an owner..new owner, old owner, stray.. they'll take 'em all in I assure you. Besides, if you would've contacted the seller, and you HAD taken them to a vet, most likely you'd have received a vet compensation as well.. How can you just shut the tub, turn your head and KNOW that these animals are sick? Shame on you...

 

[starsevol]

I think this thread is having the opposite effect that was intended.
Although NO ONE wants a thread like this posted about them, I see Doc's reputation actually benefitting from this and Josh's, well not so much!

I am a little bit fuzzy on the contact details, but posting a thread like this 6 months after the fact is just wrong, imo.

And knowing an animal is sick, and not taking it to a vet is unforgivable.
That animal suffers, whether you feel an attachment to it or not.
Your personal feelings about the animal has nothing to do with what is right or what should be done. If it is YOUR responsibility and it is sick, then it needs help. It is suffering and that is the MOST important thing, whether you "like" it or not!

Not to mention that if there was a lump in the stomach causing it to regurg, you DO NOT keep feeding it!! Regular regurg protocol is 10-14 days with no food, and then a nutribaced very very small food item. Basically you denied the animal vet care, while feeding it to death.

You claim to be a "future professional" but you are shooting yourself in the foot everytime you turn around. Your self destructive tendencies are astonishing to witness!

 

[Reptileman81]

Lesson I am tired and this is pointless. None of you believe what I have said thats fine. I know I have not told a lie in about 10 years or something. I will not lie to anyone about anything.

I am also not going to stand here and have my words twisted around. If you can honestly tell me that you take every animal you own to the vet regularly then either a. you have plenty of money to do so b. You have 1 or 2 animals and not the over 60 that I have. c. You know nothing about illnesses to treat anything yourselves. I did what I could believe me. I you do not fall under any of these and you do have lots of animals that you take to the vet regularly lets see your proof. Show me your documents. Thats right none of you have any.

I came here to say my peace and I have done that. I did not come here to be bashed by everyone. That is all I have seen on this site. Do you people have nothing better to do then to monitor the BOI. You all have 2 cents to say about everyone's BOI good or bad. Most of the time you dont even know the person. Then there is the matter that most of you are no buddies just like me. Most of you have been here for a year at best just like me. So who are you to judge me.

Like I said, I said all that I have to say. I dont care what you think about anything much less me. I know I am right and that I got screwed. I know that cause I was looking for the best deal that Doc took advantage of me and unloaded a bunch of bad animals (runts) on me. So this will be my last post about this matter.

Doc I hope that you do not do again to anyone else what you did to me. You know you are in the wrong at least in some ways. I also hope that no one else ever gets screwed over by anyone ever again. I know without people like myself that have the courage to stand up and say something everyone would be getting screwed over. With that courage to speak up you rude inconsiderate people with nothing better to do but sit on your computer and wait for someone to post something somewhere that you can throw your 2 cents on.