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Bad Guy Reptile Addicts / Fred Kick

I'm sorry to hear about the OP's loss and all they went through. Next time, I recommend buying a 100% solid animal from a reputable breeder (or a reputable dealer if you're buying something not bred in captivity). If you can see eye caps, then that's usually a sign you're dealing with someone who doesn't have a keen eye for health problems...meaning there are probably more problems you don't see.

I want to point out that I'd never buy anything from the Kick brothers as I've heard more than enough horror stories, but I would like to make a few points.

1. Most breeders do not have any sort of return/refund policy, contrary to what the OP stated in one of his/her posts. Almost every breeder I know of will issue credit, but does not offer cash refunds. The Kicks are not alone with this policy and this is not what makes them bad guys.

2. I'm not sure, but it looks to me like the seller is expecting to be reimbursed for vet expenses, which is not reasonable. Fred Kick offered the OP a full cash refund for the purchase price, which is as much responsibility as any seller has.

I'm not saying it's right to sell sick animals - I'm just saying that what you do with a reptile after you buy it is your decision, and the seller is no longer responsible. If you weren't happy with the animal, then return it and let the seller worry about the health issues. Chances are they would have either euthanized the animal or fixed whatever was wrong, without having to spend $500+ in vet bills.

3. I've seen more traditional dog/cat veterinarians do more harm to the animal, than I have actually seen fix animals. Most vets are trained for dogs, cats and the usual types of pets...they generally don't know much of anything about reptiles and in my personal experience, most veterinarians have no business treating reptiles. I've seen body parts (limbs, hemipenes) removed unnecessarily, and I've seen vets give antibiotics and appetite stimulants that ended up killing the animal in question. Bottom line, if you take a reptile to the vet, be sure it's a vet who specializes in reptiles. Otherwise, you'd be better off getting advice from someone knowledgeable who works with or breeds that species.

In my opinion, whether intentional or not, the vet screwed you out of a lot more money than the Kicks did. A good reptile breeder could have taken one look at that snake and known how to remedy the situation, or if it was too far gone to save.

And again, I'm not making any excuses for the Kicks. They have no business being in this industry. Guys like that just make my job harder by having to deal with the paranoid customers that they create.

I didn't get the feeling that the OP was asking for Fred Kick to refund the vet costs - just the snake's original purchase price. From the first post:

"...it would be really kind if you could refund me the $100 I paid for her, since she was not in good conditions when I got her."

"...just refund me the minimal $100 I feel I deserve for all this inconvenience."

Also, from what was posted, the seller never offered an actual refund, just 'store credit'.

"...if you bring her back we offer some type of credit, but we have to look at her first."

"I have offered you credit multiple times for her if you bring her back."
 
Makes NO sense to take a store credit when they sold you a POS sick, dying, poorly cared for animal. Who in their RIGHT mind would want another animal from a place like that ?
 
What I don't understand is why doesn't Fred respond to this thread? He just keeps posting animals for sale all over the internet and totally disregards this. Crazy if you ask me. I've heard nothing but bad stuff about this guy's animals from other breeders and it seems that he could care less. You'd have to be an idiot to buy from this guy at this point.
 
I was wondering why the op lied to him about that too. I think the seller is at fault 100% but I found that odd. Just asking a question doesn't mean you're attacking anyone. I hope the op gets a refund but I wouldn't count on it.

i may be wrong here but im thinking she wasnt lying when she said this, she just didnt make it perfecltly clear. i think she meant this was(would be) the only one she had that would require LIVE as all her others eat F/T...
 
i may be wrong here but im thinking she wasnt lying when she said this, she just didnt make it perfecltly clear. i think she meant this was(would be) the only one she had that would require LIVE as all her others eat F/T...

and of course if i had read this a little further i would have seen she answered this...
 
What I don't understand is why doesn't Fred respond to this thread? He just keeps posting animals for sale all over the internet and totally disregards this. Crazy if you ask me. I've heard nothing but bad stuff about this guy's animals from other breeders and it seems that he could care less. You'd have to be an idiot to buy from this guy at this point.

because there are threads and even news articles about these guys from years ago. People still go to there tables at the show and buy there junk. people will see something on KS and buy it. As long as he is getting business, why bother?
 
I see them at every show I go to- Manchester NH and White Plains NY. I like seeing the diversity on their table, but I be sure not to touch anything.
 
Not Long Island. Buffalo, NY. The do not use a banner or any type of signage at the shows they attend, so most won't know who they are until after the fact.
 
To clarify a few points that have come up...

I took the snake to a very reputable reptile veterinarian to be examined.

Why not just return the snake and let Fred Kick deal with it? Because I care about the snake. Returning it to the very place that allowed her to get sick would've been cruel in my opinion. I wanted the snake to get better, not worse. Sending the snake back to Fred Kick would possibly mean it would continue to go untreated. I was doing my part to help the snake, which was my primary concern.

Regarding store credit... It's already been said, but I'll repeat it. I did not accept this offer of store credit because I did not feel comfortable getting yet another animal from him, seeing as the first one was so horribly unwell. Not only that, but the snake's conditions were from long term lack of care- not a fast-acting, temporary illness. Why would I want to risk getting another animal from the same source?

My point in going to court with this case is not to get all my money (vet bills, etc) refunded, but rather to show him that this will not go unnoticed. I'm under the impression that not many people stand up to him. I want my voice to be heard in the situation more than anything- for the sake of the animal that suffered in this situation. I wish more people did this. Many realize "oh well, I bought a sick animal from them... I won't buy from them again and I'll spread the word" but that's about it. I want him to realize that neglecting an animal to the extent he did with this rosy boa is completely unacceptable. Maybe he won't get that message, maybe he won't care. But at least I'll have tried.

I hope that clears things up that have been brought up. :)

-Alessia Bachrach
 
rosy boas

Wow, First of all the right thing for the company to do was to refund your money with no hesitation. By them telling you that the humidy may be too low is ridiculous. First of all anyone who keeps and breeds rosy boas knows that they need a very dry environment and do not do well in humid environments. in fact a water bowl should only be placed in a rosy boa enclosure for one day and removed. the only exception is during the shedding process. a little humidy likea moist paper towel can be used.
Second of all Rosy Boas do not play dead and will of course right themselves up if turned over. We are not talking hognose snakes.
3rd of all the statement about if parasites were not present the snake would be dead. That is ridiculous. Parasites and amoebas/bacteria will wreak havoc on a snake in captive conditions! Also I believe a stool sample positive for any kind of bacteria or worms and a receipt form a vet office is enough proof for a person to get a refund for a sick snake. Even a captive bred snake can pick up pathogens like coccidia, and also internal parasites from other cb animals. certain types of internal parasites can cause odd neuralogic signs in snakes. well keep us posted on the status. hOpe the snake recovers and you get your money back
 
rosy boas

on another note. In there defense I do know people have bought snakes from them and have had no problems or complaints with there animals and customer service. They do have a good reputation as a breeder. In my opinion the right thing to do is to have your money refunded to you. some breeders have so many snakes that it is sometimes easy for a snake that is sick to become unoticed in the very beginning.
 
on another note. In there defense I do know people have bought snakes from them and have had no problems or complaints with there animals and customer service. They do have a good reputation as a breeder. In my opinion the right thing to do is to have your money refunded to you. some breeders have so many snakes that it is sometimes easy for a snake that is sick to become unoticed in the very beginning.

And thats when the breeder needs to re-evaluate his situation and either cut back the size of operation or higher more help so things arent gone un noticed.

Im sure the good deals Fred had were from healthy stock he received and flipped fast enough they didnt have time to be exposed to his "Facility"
 
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