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ReptileRefuge-stealing photos and Care Sheets

Knowing that any article or photograph is AUTOMATICALLY copyrighted as soon as it is created means that no copyright notice is NEEDED.

It's copyrighted, plain and simple. Ignorance also is not a legal valid excuse.

Anyways... How's about plagiarism?

The article located at this URL (see screenshot)...

http://www.reptilerefuge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=286

claims to be "written by our very own Moldypotato"... yeah, STOLEN by our very own moldypotato more like it...

It's word-for-word identical to Home Grown Herps Leopard Gecko care sheet :)

http://www.homegrownherps.com/pages/leopard.html
 

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Axe said:
Anyways... How's about plagiarism?

The article located at this URL (see screenshot)...

http://www.reptilerefuge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=286

claims to be "written by our very own Moldypotato"... yeah, STOLEN by our very own moldypotato more like it...

It's word-for-word identical to Home Grown Herps Leopard Gecko care sheet :)

http://www.homegrownherps.com/pages/leopard.html
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Probably not. someone else claims it was written by moldypotato. moldypotato doesn't claim to have authored it.
 
Quicky looking at it, I know he did violate "D" of that, maybe more. The bearded dragon care sheet they took, the owner that wrote it has on that site a "LEGAL NOTICE" Big red letters also right on the page he took.... and it spell outs in detail that the info is not to be copied, reproduced in whole or part without the owners consent. Everything BUT that was copied.

You can not get much clearer than that!

Ophis, there are many sub chapters to the copyright laws, I don't profess to know them all, but I guess if you think you can copy others work without their consent, try it... there are a lot of eager attorney's out there that are willing to clairfy it for you.
 
CheriS said:
Quicky looking at it, I know he did violate "D" of that, maybe more. The bearded dragon care sheet they took, the owner that wrote it has on that site a "LEGAL NOTICE" Big red letters also right on the page he took.... and it spell outs in detail that the info is not to be copied, reproduced in whole or part without the owners consent. Everything BUT that was copied.

You can not get much clearer than that!

Ophis, there are many sub chapters to the copyright laws, I don't profess to know them all, but I guess if you think you can copy others work without their consent, try it... there are a lot of eager attorney's out there that are willing to clairfy it for you.
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Who knows where he got that care sheet. Its posted on various reptile sites. How can you prove he removed copyright notifications. NOT so clear.

If you read all of my posts I state that he SHOULD ask for permission AND give credit to the owner if he uses their material. I also stated that he DOES seem to be in violation of CIVIL laws concerning copyright infringement. I do not think his violations rise to the level of criminal offense. Whatchewtalkinboutwillis?
 
Ohpis,

I think you missed the part about I know where the BD care info came from. I know the person that wrote it. It is copyrighted and states it on the page it was taken from... in detail, and that was removed

Very clear!

Moot at this point as he has taken that one down now, I checked a short time ago and many have been removed now.

I at first thought the same as Daniel of Scales did, that it was a kid and he did not know better, but since then some have been removed, only to be replaced by another from other sites.
 
Ohpis,

I think you missed the part about I know where the BD care info came from. I know the person that wrote it. It is copyrighted and states it on the page it was taken from... in detail, and that was removed

Very clear!

NOT clear (at all). I know you THINK you know where he got it from, however this care sheet was ripped off and posted by other sites prior to reptile rescue ripping it off from whomever. Lets say sites "B" "C" and "D" rip off site "A"s care sheet and remove copyright notification. Then reptilerescue copys the same care sheet from site "B". reptilerescue did not remove copyright notification, therefore not a criminal offense. If this care sheet is available on various sites, how do you know reptilerescue got it from the original authors site and removed copyright notice?
 
Ophis said:
NOT clear (at all). I know you THINK you know where he got it from
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EXTREMELY clear, as we KNOW personally, several original authors of works that were on his website - including some of Melissa Kaplan's articles, and she does NOT allow her articles to reproduced on other websites. And she has a LOT of copyright notices all over her site.

With regard to your example...

If I break into your neighbour's house, steal his VCR, then sell it to you, you're still guilty of receiving stolen property, whether you knew about it or not - even though you weren't the one to break into your neighbour's house you're still guilty.

Get it?
 
Sigh...no....you don't know for sure where he got it. I don't think I can state this more clearly. If the document was copied and posted on various other sites. (and it is. there are other links in this thread to the same care sheet on other sites) reptilerescue could have copied it from one of the other sites. This may be a civil violation, but not a criminal one since you can't prove he got it from the original author and removed copyright notice.

I agree with your analogy Axe. Too bad you can not apply it to the subject at hand. Can you review my U.S. Copyright law link and point out where you think what reptilerescue did rises to a criminal offense under the statute?
 
Ophis,

Let try it this way since you can not understand it

Go to goggle, put in this: "Temperature gradient ranging from 100-105F, nighttime drops into the low 70's. This gradient is critical for food digestion."

You will see it ONLY comes up on one site........ the site it originated on, by the owner that wrote it. You can not steal something that is no where else.

Get it now?


Sorry, this is away from the original purpose of this thread, which was for others to check if their work was appearing on that site, give permission to copy it, credit it or remove it.
 
LMAO!! So if it's not in google it's not anywhere? Which week is this? I used to do SEO (search optimization work) for a living and there are many reason why a site isn't listed in Google.

An example of this is our caresheets on Veileds and Jackson chameleons. When I told the admin of that site to review the caresheets and give credit where it's due, he went back and added links to where he got them. Our caresheets were linked to the sites he got them from, others who had copied our information.

For the most part instances of copyright infringement for those that don't use them for financial gain are delt with utilizing "cease and desist" letters. If the situation is resolved to everyone's satisfaction it goes no further. Sorry, no crusifixations here. Maybe you can locate another reason for non-reptilerooms.com forums to get shut down.
 
CheriS said:
Ophis,

Let try it this way since you can not understand it

Go to goggle, put in this: "Temperature gradient ranging from 100-105F, nighttime drops into the low 70's. This gradient is critical for food digestion."

You will see it ONLY comes up on one site........ the site it originated on, by the owner that wrote it. You can not steal something that is no where else.

Get it now?


No. I don't get it. Here is a link to a site that has the same care sheet with no copyright marking.
http://www.reptileforums.com/care_sheets/lizards/leopard_gecko.htm

Get it???
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Axe:

reptilewhateverman. You get the jist. Where in the copyright law stauttes did he rise to the level of criminal offense?
 
Daniel,

Sorry you feel that way, they are many forums, list and site I post on and write for, nothing to do with reptilerooms.

I answer not only of BOI here, but several other of FC forums and sometimes they are the only answers on them, as with many forums. I support FC and several others as much as I can

The difference is I object to people stealing others works, not what site it is or what it does. No where in my name, profile or signature does reptilerooom appear, that's a rather low blow
 
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