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ReptileRefuge-stealing photos and Care Sheets

(bare with me I cant spell worth a crap)
Hello all. My name is Justin Rutledge. I am owner and co-operator for Reptile Refuge. If you would like to send hate mail or letter bombs to me please feel free, my address is in the first post. What a wonderful invention the internet is, a place were information can be shared and enjoyed by others. No wait that's not how it is at all. No one wants to share information they want to command it. Yes my admin posted care sheets on my site that were taken from other sites and now they are gone. Done over next case, but that's not how it happens on the internet. People have to pine over every little thing said to find out how to make the other person look bad and loose his credibility.

Some one said that wetwired was stealing someone's hard work and time. I agree that caresheets do take a lot of time and research but hard work. If you consider sitting in front of a computer in a nice comfy chair hard work you have never done any in your whole life. No no I am going to make this hard on my self and sit in on a hard wooden chair so I get but cramps every ten seconds yeah. The simple resolution to this is that the care sheets are no longer available on our web site. There see that was not that bad *POOF* its done over.

I will never see why the human race would rather argue that rectify a situation. The main reason I even considered starting my site was to help other people that wanted to know all that they could on reptiles. I have been working with reptiles for eight years now, but I have only been on reptile information forums for the past year. The one thing I found out was that too many people dictate their forums to the extent of being ridiculous. So created my own forums and recruited people from other forums. We do have rules but nothing for people to be anal about.

What I am saying is you people cant continue to talk about how we are thieving conniving Satanist. Or you can realize that things are done the care sheet you worked on is not longer tainted by my site and skip along on your way down the information super highway. I will still have my web site available for anyone who would like to come discuss herps. I have lost valued members over this and gained some as well.

Children grow up every day some aspire to become football players, doctors, lawyers, or even herpetologist. Someone will always need the help of others in any indever that they take on. Whether that is from a book, a magazine, or a reptile forum with a care sheet on it to help you raise your new reptile.

So if someone wants to put their name on a care sheet that they wrote that is fine, you go for it more power to you. But if you think that five years down the road someone will see you name and got off about the TOTALLY AWESOME CARE SHEET you did I would not think twice.

I have gained nothing from putting those care sheets on my site and still do not expect to. I am just a guy in the arm pit of America that will provide all he can to further the education of people on reptiles.

Go home tonight grab a beer, glass of wine or a carbonated beverage. Sit on the couch and relax. Nothing that happens on the other side of this glass screen is something to get this hyped up about.


Oh and remember please send all packages with a return address so I know who to thank.


Good day and as we say in Texas "Yall Come Back An See Us"
Justin Rutledge
 
reptilebreeder said:
Well, shame on him for using your forum to complain that you were stealing from him.

Thanks for dumbing it down for me.
I'm sure based on your character, that everything you say is very true, and these other "victims" are full of doo-doo.
I'm very sure that you didn't know you were stealing, I guess you just thought you were "borrowing" others hard work and actual experience.
I'm sure you only banned people who were flying off the handle and didn't even have a reason to be PMing you in the first place.
I'm sure, seeing as you "borrowed" so many excellent care sheets and photos, that you must have one of the most informative and up and coming forums out there.

If anybody needs it besides me :laugh: I'll dumb it down in advance. I'm being...............Sarcastic, actually Sardonic is probably a better term.
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Well said John.

I think what happened here is wetwilly and moldyP got caught with their pants down. Their first reaction was embarrassment quickly followed by anger for both being caught lying as well as being embarrassed by being caught.

Then, to make matters even worse, threads on wetwilly's site were altered or deleted entirely because they contained the truth, ie that lies were told.

My only problem is this- why should I believe anything either of these guys say? They have not lied once, they have done so a number of times and, and this is worse than just telling a lie and being caught (which is EXACTLY what happened here), the proof was DELETED from the site where it occurred.

Instead of merely saying "I was wrong, I should not have used the sheets without permission or said that moldyp wrote them. That was a lie and I appologize. I will delete all caresheets until I have gotten permission from the actual writer and if that is not available I'll find sheets that can be used with permission."

NOOOOOOOOOOOO, instead of that simple statement which would have wrapped this whole debacle up in a page or two, you clowns had to REPEATEDLY lie. Then you get repeatedly caught because you are NOT good liars. Then you get mad. Then you get stupid. NOW we're on what, page 17?

How stupid is that.

wetwilly, you had a good reptuation. It is tarnished now. Stop making excuses and just take care of the mess you've made. It's NO ONES fault but yours. If you don't want a reputation as a big lying crybaby, quit acting like one. You did wrong. Now, do right. If you do, with a little time to show it's for real, you'll be fine. Your site is pretty cool but you are NOT helping it or yourself by the attitude you are showing here.
 
jrobinson said:
But listen people....if we are bickering about whose info it is then we are defeating the purpose of having help forums like ours, if we spend all the time griping about who wrote this and that, then the people that needed help are not getting what they came for
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You guys just don't seem to get it.

Chances are that whomever wrote the caresheets you are using DID NOT just sit in a nice comfy chair and disgorge info into thier computer. Chances are that if a caresheet is worth having up for public viewing it was written by someone who has A LOT of experiance, possibly even years of experiance, working by trial and error to find out the best methods for keeping that particular animal.

You guys, wetwilly, moldyp and falcon whatever, do not seem to understand that you ARE taking someones sweat and blood and almost trivializing the effort that went into the writing.

If you can't take the time to verify that the author of the caresheet you're using wants it to be on your site, THEN NO MATTER HOW GOOD THE SHEET IS YOU SHOULD NOT BE USING IT. There are hundreds of caresheets out there that the authors of would be glad to let you use. There is no excuse for what you guys did or the way you have tried to cover it up or make excuses for.

Ya done wrong. Quitcher cryin and move on.
 
To tell you the truth I thought that is what I did.

I could care less what happens on some other forum conserning my self.

So continue with your debate on my web site.

All it does is brings me hits.

Remember you can find my forums a http://www.reptilerefuge.com

Have a nice day.
 
Silly falconguy, no one is saying you site is not good. I believe I mentioned that I liked it.

However, the morals and ethics of your mods and adminstrators, as well as your own apparently, are not of the same standard.

You guys stepped in it. Then stepped in it again. Are you going to wipe it off or just leave it there and cry about it?
 
I don't really feel inclined to add to his list of "hits" he's so proud of~ someone please tell me where on that site to look specifically for the stolen pages. I don't have many sheets~ but the few I've written (CO2 chamber, Feeding WC BPs, and average BP weight charts) are only for reproduction by the few that have been kind enough to ask and I have specifically given permission to.
 
People occasionally try to jack stuff from my fish and herp sites, nothing I hate more. Nothing worse than putting work into something just to have someone else steal it and claim it as their own. *sigh*
 
I've not read this entire thread~ I'm sure there is plenty of reason to be angry. On a positive note~ I just received a very polite PM from "Falcon2891" assuring me my care sheets are not on his/her site and that the sheets there now give appropriate credit where due. I appreciate that.

Sometimes we all do something stupid ~ I know I have (DON'T tell my husband I admitted to EVER being wrong!) Sometimes all we can do is appoligize and attempt to move on.
 
"Then, to make matters even worse, threads on wetwilly's site were altered or deleted entirely because they contained the truth, ie that lies were told."
- Wrong. If you had taken the time to read the rest of this thread, you'd have seen that the reason I deleted the thread you speak of is because it had morphed into an oversized flame thread.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOO, instead of that simple statement which would have wrapped this whole debacle up in a page or two, you clowns had to REPEATEDLY lie. Then you get repeatedly caught because you are NOT good liars. Then you get mad. Then you get stupid. NOW we're on what, page 17?"
- Again, if you would have read the entire thread, you'd know that none of the members of Reptile Refuge joined in on this little gossip thread until page 12. So, tell me, how it is our fault that it wasn't wrapped up in 2 pages? You seem to be forgetting that the users of THIS forum are the ones who started this thread, and continued to bitch and cry about this issue, not us.

"wetwilly, you had a good reptuation. It is tarnished now. Stop making excuses and just take care of the mess you've made. It's NO ONES fault but yours. If you don't want a reputation as a big lying crybaby, quit acting like one. You did wrong. Now, do right. If you do, with a little time to show it's for real, you'll be fine. Your site is pretty cool but you are NOT helping it or yourself by the attitude you are showing here."
- I have appologized several times in this thread, but those appologies have fallen on deaf ears. I guess everyone wants me to get on my knees and kiss their ass before they're satisfied. I've done every single thing that's been asked of me. I have removed the caresheets, I have said I'm sorry, and I have tried to explain to you people that I was unaware of the legality of the issue. I have also tried to explain that I honestly didn't think it could cause this much of an uproar. I didn't think it would cause any kind of uproar. Evidently, I was wrong. As for my reputation, I couldn't care less. People are going to think what they want to think, and there's nothing I can say or do to change that. So, you think I'm a lying thief, cool. Good for you. I'm oh so proud of you. I'll give you a little gold star to put on your locker. Maybe one day you people will realize that just because the truth isn't want you want to hear, doesn't mean it's not the truth. I'm not holding my breath.

"However, the morals and ethics of your mods and adminstrators, as well as your own apparently, are not of the same standard."
- Opinions are opinions. What do YOU know of the situation? You "know" what you've read here, nothing more.

"People occasionally try to jack stuff from my fish and herp sites, nothing I hate more. Nothing worse than putting work into something just to have someone else steal it and claim it as their own. *sigh*"
- See what I mean? No one is even listening to me. I've said, several times, that I never once took ANY credit for writing the caresheets. Not once. I heard something mentioned about my forum signature being at the bottom, and it was that, and that alone - a forum signature. It's on every single one of my posts on that forum, not just the caresheets. Never once did I place a line of text in them stating that I wrote them, or even had a hand in writing them.



I don't know how many times I have to say this, but I'll do it again, since you seem to be falling behind in this matter.

Yes, I did copy other people's caresheets.

Yes, I did post them on my forums in an effort to inform users who needed the information.

No, I did not ask permission.

No, I did not claim to write them myself.

No, I did not deleted threads to cover up any said "truth".

No, I am not lying to try to cover my tracks, which should be obvious by now.

Yes, I have since removed the caresheets from my forum, as requested.

No, I did not realize that copying them was against the law.

No, I did not see any links containing information on the legality of copying the caresheets.

Yes, I did place links at the bottom of every single one of them back to the original writers website.

Yes, I have tried several times, in vain, to resolve this matter.

And last, but not least. Yes, I am sorry for what I did. If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't even have considered it. I am sorry for the things that have been said to others, and to myself. I'm sorry for the fact that this has caused such a commotion in this already fragile community. And I'm sorry that you all still feel the way you do about Reptile Refuge. Yes, I made a mistake and now everyone on that forum will have to pay for it. All I was trying to do was fill the forum with useful information, and I ****ed up. I'm sorry.
 
Wired:

This is what your last post should have looked like:


Yes, I did copy other people's caresheets.

Yes, I did post them on my forums in an effort to inform users who needed the information.

No, I did not ask permission.

Yes, I have since removed the caresheets from my forum, as requested.

And last, but not least. Yes, I am sorry for what I did. If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't even have considered it. I am sorry for the things that have been said to others, and to myself. I'm sorry for the fact that this has caused such a commotion. Yes, I made a mistake and will have to pay for it. All I was trying to do was fill the forum with useful information, and I ****ed up. I'm sorry.


All of the rest was just noise.
 
"People occasionally try to jack stuff from my fish and herp sites, nothing I hate more. Nothing worse than putting work into something just to have someone else steal it and claim it as their own. *sigh*"
- See what I mean? No one is even listening to me. I've said, several times, that I never once took ANY credit for writing the caresheets. Not once. I heard something mentioned about my forum signature being at the bottom, and it was that, and that alone - a forum signature. It's on every single one of my posts on that forum, not just the caresheets. Never once did I place a line of text in them stating that I wrote them, or even had a hand in writing them.
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Hey tard, learn to read. I never said anything about you, it was a general complaint.
 
WetWired said:
I guess everyone wants me to get on my knees and kiss their ass before they're satisfied.
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Everyone wants you to stop being a :bleep: about it and be happy that you didn't wind up in court with someone filing charges. I think most would recommend that you stop making excuses, stop arguing, apologize and make sure you don't do it again. Bottom line is you were wrong on so many levels and you really are getting off easy.

Chris
 
Ophis said:
Wired:

This is what your last post should have looked like:


Yes, I did copy other people's caresheets.

Yes, I did post them on my forums in an effort to inform users who needed the information.

No, I did not ask permission.

Yes, I have since removed the caresheets from my forum, as requested.

And last, but not least. Yes, I am sorry for what I did. If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't even have considered it. I am sorry for the things that have been said to others, and to myself. I'm sorry for the fact that this has caused such a commotion. Yes, I made a mistake and will have to pay for it. All I was trying to do was fill the forum with useful information, and I ****ed up. I'm sorry.


All of the rest was just noise.
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Absodamnlutely
 
jrobinson
And CheriS, it would be nice if you would remove Justins address from YOUR forum, as if i looked hard enough I could prob find cases that prohibit posting of ones address without proper consent.....
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Want to give me the URL where that is on my site? I did a search and come up with nothing about him or his site to see what context this is in
 
Alright, I got to page 14 of this and

It has gotten way way out of hand.

Cheri, Thank you for bringing the issue to our attention. We and the other party have worked things out to our satisfaction. That is what is important. If you have work this person has infringed upon, or dealings with this person you would like to share, please do but you really have no say in anyone elses situation.

If you, or anyone esle would like to debate copyright laws and their legallity or express your opinion on copyright infringment, please take it to a separate thread as the parties here have been satisfied.



On the note of the pissing match, 10" is accurate :D
 
W.Wedeking said:
It has gotten way way out of hand.

Cheri, Thank you for bringing the issue to our attention. We and the other party have worked things out to our satisfaction. That is what is important. If you have work this person has infringed upon, or dealings with this person you would like to share, please do but you really have no say in anyone elses situation.

If you, or anyone esle would like to debate copyright laws and their legallity or express your opinion on copyright infringment, please take it to a separate thread as the parties here have been satisfied.



On the note of the pissing match, 10" is accurate :D
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You are entitled to your opinion and may post as you see fit. So can everyone else.
 
In all actuallity, this thread never should have been started. Offended parties were notified privately, but were not given the courtesy or the chance to work things out before someone who was not even involved in the situation decided to come here and post.

Anyone else who would come and post "prematurely" would have been raked over the coals.

That is what is "customary" for the BOI.

Debates of the legal issues of copyrights laws belongs in the legal forum.

However, if you have dealings with Reptile Refuge, please feel free to add.

We have resolved our issue to both of our satisfaction, and did so before this came to the BOI.
 
Falcon2891 said:
Some one said that wetwired was stealing someone's hard work and time. I agree that caresheets do take a lot of time and research but hard work. If you consider sitting in front of a computer in a nice comfy chair hard work you have never done any in your whole life. No no I am going to make this hard on my self and sit in on a hard wooden chair so I get but cramps every ten seconds yeah. The simple resolution to this is that the care sheets are no longer available on our web site. There see that was not that bad *POOF* its done over.
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Well, enough has been said, so I was gonna refrain from posting, but such ignorance needs to be addressed.

When I said hard work, I meant the actual work of caring for the animals, years of learning how to properly keep, care for, breed, etc. of the animals. By you mocking the act as nothing more than a little typing on a computer, goes back to your mindset that a care sheet is nothing more than something typed up, and therefore, I'll just throw someone else's up on my site, cause I don't feel like typing.

It's great that you have taken them off your site, but you just seem clueless as to the real value and work that goes into a care sheet (assuming it wasn't someone who just typed someone else's with a few additional comments)
 
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