Reptster.com experience with show sponsorship not good

[Chandler Reptiles]

I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that most of David's lackeys that keep showing up are probably okay people, given that they keep coming back and back. Sure they aren't the ones with the answers if there is really any answers.

The lacy act does include any package that you, I or your best friend from 3rd grade takes and drives across state lines. You are supposed to have all the live animal boxes marked. The point being made that if you ship with UPS, Fed Ex or DHL you are not breaking any law other than the same one you break when you drive that package home from a show across state lines, yes they could fine you and you could spend some time in jail but most likely they will just slap you on the wrist. The companies will do the same, they are private companies that have a long list of rules that most of their own employees don't know. Now if you send a snake USPS then you have other issues, that is the federal government that you are breaking rules with.

Kelly I really do hope that all of David's people he has reading the thread keep bugging him to the point he wants to resolve this or at least make some sort of contact.

 

[SPJ]

Any issues with Reptster needs to be resolved at Reptster.

You keep saying that but yet when I tried to go there to ask questions I found out I was banned.
Seems to me David does not want anyone asking questions.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that most of David's lackeys that keep showing up are probably okay people, given that they keep coming back and back. Sure they aren't the ones with the answers if there is really any answers.

I have been trying to read and keep informed without cluttering the board with a lot of unnecessary comments. However, I felt the need to respond to that bolded remark above.

Personally, I have a big problem with thinking that people that continue to support someone publicy after reading the thread and getting all the FACTS (yes, Steven, I called them facts) are "Okay" people. Life has shown me that if someone lies to someone else and I know of it, in all likelihood that person who lied will also lie to me and probably has already done so. Steven needs to realize that a person that lies is called a LIAR and liars are indiscriminating about to whom they lie. David has lied to a couple of members here that previously gave him the benefit of a doubt. So, Steven, be very careful with whom you cast your lot. Remember you told me to be careful whom I trust? I am reminding you to be careful too. I do not know any of the people involved in this saga and I read it for facts only and I do not FEEL the need to defend anyone. Not Kelly (you go girl!! I wouldn't want to cross YOU) she has laid out her evidence admirably straightforward.

I don't feel the need to defend David, he can do that himself and he should do it and his friends should tell him that he needs to clear his name. Because of the issues that are rearing their ugly heads, he needs to resolve the cases that are here and show that he has a contract to use his name/account number for shipping, because if he doesn't have permission to do this...I don't see anything but a mess of trouble down the road for the people that continue to blindly use him without getting the FACTS and PROOF like they are saying Kelly should have (forget that David hasn't provided any at all).

In my opinion, Steven, you wouldn't really be any friend of his if you supported him in this mess after reading all the facts. However, if you did support him after reading all the facts, then I would have to wonder about your own ethical foundation and that is NOT the way you want to begin as a fledgling breeder.

In my opinion, someone that doesn't have a problem with defending their boss/employer while he apparently rips off customers and lies about it, might not be "okay."

I realize that Steven may be employed by David and jobs are hard to come by..but personal ethics are not something that can or should be set aside to continue receiving a paycheck or to keep a questionable "friendship." I realize that it's difficult to say what one would do in any given situation (especially when the person giving his side is talking and the other side (Kelly) is typing/posting. We have seen evidence that David apparently does have that fabled "silver tongue" that I referred to earlier. It is easy to flim-flam people that do not want to READ evidence for themselves but prefer to have their ears "tickled."

Because Steven tried to give me good advice before, I hope he follows it now. Be careful who you trust, make sure all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.

 

[Double LY]

Why shouldn't people focus on that "handful of issues" (and obviously some have NOTHING to do with "drop offs"), when they are not resolved? How many times does one have to try to contact David to get them resolved, is there a magic number?

And what happens to the poor sap who is not certified and has no FedEx rep when a problem arises? When people were pointing out issues in the shipping forum, there were several follow-ups saying they just used their own FedEx account in order to get the animals out in time because there was no response from David. Kyle (Forked Tongue) was lucky enough to have his own representative to help him solve his problem so snakes weren't left indefinitely waiting for David to respond.

Steven, your response of "any one is welcome to contact FedEx with their tracking # and deal with their own worries" doesn't quite cut it. Contacting a 1-800 number is NOT the same as dealing with your own representative. You have sold the public a line that they no longer need to worry about being certified or bother having their own representative. Therefore, it is REPTSTER'S job to solve problems as it is their account being used to ship the items and REPTSTER has shown a pattern of slow/no response when issues arise. That may be okay if you were shipping widgets, but these are live animals and a slow response or no response can equal death.

And you know, this whole "4600+ shipments made (by Fedex), and not a single problem" mantra is starting to give remind me of someone else's mad rants, and it's kinda giving me the creeps.

What are the chances Dan Scolaro is some sort of silent partner?

 

[Cat_72]

And what happens to the poor sap who is not certified and has no FedEx rep when a problem arises? When people were pointing out issues in the shipping forum, there were several follow-ups saying they just used their own FedEx account in order to get the animals out in time because there was no response from David. Kyle (Forked Tongue) was lucky enough to have his own representative to help him solve his problem so snakes weren't left indefinitely waiting for David to respond.

Steven, your response of "any one is welcome to contact FedEx with their tracking # and deal with their own worries" doesn't quite cut it. Contacting a 1-800 number is NOT the same as dealing with your own representative. You have sold the public a line that they no longer need to worry about being certified or bother having their own representative. Therefore, it is REPTSTER'S job to solve problems as it is their account being used to ship the items and REPTSTER has shown a pattern of slow/no response when issues arise. That may be okay if you were shipping widgets, but these are live animals and a slow response or no response can equal death.

An EXCELLENT point, Kelly....and one that I think sadly too often gets overlooked when the almighty dollar is involved. I'd be plenty mad if David failed to pay me money that he owed me, but if, by lack of response or assistance caused me to lose one of my animals....I'd be REALLY pissed off.

 

[SPJ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJSlurp1200 View Post
Any issues with Reptster needs to be resolved at Reptster.
You keep saying that but yet when I tried to go there to ask questions I found out I was banned.
Seems to me David does not want anyone asking questions.

Once again Mr. Slurp, I am asking why you are stating that questions regarding Reptster should be asked on the Reptster site but yet you ban people so they cannot ask questions.

 

[Abish]

Gotta leave for work like, ten minutes ago so for now I am just gonna do a Q&D cut and paste from Reptster and hope I don't get a spanking.


davidyoung
Site Admin


Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Posts: 289


PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: In response to a question about the BOI

NateL wrote:
Greetings David.

It is apparent that you or Steve will not answer any questions posed to you in this massive thread over at Fauna.

So I figured I'd go straight to the source and ask you - in hopes you can clear some things up for ME....just for my own personal knowledge.

I've been quietly following the thread - I've made no posts and don't intend to. I think it's important for you to know that I was a potential customer of Reptster. I wanted to use your services. I think there are a lot of people like myself that prefer to stay out of the drama and quietly follow along, forming their own opinions of the situation.

I realize you hate the BOI, and that's fine. But for a lot of people, the BOI is a viable tool in helping them make decisions with expensive animals. We both know that when you're on the wrong end of the poke stick, it can get very nasty and a lot of mud gets slung around.

You tell yourself the BOI doesn't matter - but yes David, It does matter. It matters to the little guys like myself and many many others. As a potential customer of yours, I just cannot understand why someone with so much credibility simply refuses to show a single shred of will to save your own name.

This thread most likely won't kill your business - of course not. But as I said, it leaves a lot of people baffled and confused as to why you refuse to answer very simple questions. For what reason? What do you gain out of it? Publicity? It's well over 1,100 posts of negative publicity if you ask me. For someone will little to no experience in this industry, what am I supposed to think when I read this thread about you? Most people will not have the courtesy to contact you and seek answers for themselves...so here I am, asking for answers to simple questions.

Clearly, there is a misunderstanding between Kelly and yourself. So why do you allow this mess to continue? Why do you not seek some kind of resolution with Kelly and speak with her? It doesn't even have to be on the BOI. But at the very least, an e-mail or a phone call resolving the issue. Surely, Kelly would post letting everyone know there is a resolution. You never even have to go to the BOI. If that's not possible...Why? This is business. It shouldn't be personal.

If Kelly is lying about a lot of what she says, then why do you not defend yourself? Why do you allow your name to be continually dragged through the mud?

Simple logic tells me that this is an issue that could have so easily been resolved way in the beginning. So why not take care of it? How will it negatively affect you by dealing with it?

As a potential customer of yours, David, I'm left wondering what happens whenever I have some sort of issue that needs a resolution. If it doesn't benefit you, am I going to be left with no answers and a "screw you" attitude? I'm not trying to be rude to you - I'm just trying to express how I feel at this point in time. If my feelings, thoughts, and opinions don't matter to you, then whose do?

So David,
Again - as a potential customer - and as someone who really does want to utilize your services and is hoping you have a successful business, all i'm asking for is a few answers to help me figure out why this mess exists and if you intend to fix it. I would appreciate your answers.

I appreciate your time very much.

Thanks,
-Nate


Thanks for coming and asking those questions Nate, you are the first. There are a lot of very long answers to these questions and it’s almost easier to do on the phone but I will try and answer them all here.

First I don’t want you to feel disrespected because of my responses over there. They are directed at the 15 people who act like 8 year olds on the playground to every post and every situation. I have complete disrespect for the BOI and Fauna. Its starts with something you probably aren’t aware of. Rich (Web Slave) started the site under the scummiest of business practices. In addition to faunaclassifieds.com he also had it at www.kingsnakes.com and the BOI started as a "Why I hate Jeff (the owner of KS) and kingsnake". This was BAD business in the worst type. And it has always had that scummy feeling to me. I realize a lot of you don’t realize how it came to be. But it has stayed on those guidelines with the BOI. Even though Jeff took Rich to court and won (in a real court) Rich complied with the court order but stayed scummy with the way the BOI works. Jeff and I get a long well and a lot of people don’t understand that, its because I dont attack his business in an attempt to make mine successful. I have created this in 5 months through a lot of hard work. That is how real business is done.

So when Kelly came on the site and started her extortion I refused to post. Then a friend of mine who I have great respect for Greg Graziani asked me to respond. I reluctantly posted a message on the way out the door stating that I would reply later when I had time. Between that post and when I came back the children had already started to sling mud. Which reinforced my opinion of the BOI. So I put together four emails which were clearly fake to mock the 8 year olds on the site and that directly shows my respect for the BOI and how it came to be. And the next day I posted them. After that Mike Monge called me up and stated that he knew why I did it and agreed with it on some points but that I had offended Kathy Love. I felt bad about that as I really respect her and realized I might have hit a few targets I was not aiming at. I then posted my side, my apologies and the email that showed I had canceled. That’s all the respect that IT will get, if OTHERS feel they deserve more apologies contact me directly and I will apologize but only for mocking them, the rest is still extortion.

From day 2, before I sent her our logo I stated on a phone call that if she wanted 750 I was not going to do her show. We agreed on 250. She knew that, promoted the logo and then tried to get 750 out of me. That to me is a deal breaker, she knew my intention, whether she had 5 kids or not, whether she was newly married or not, the answer was no. And that was made clear before she ever placed any advertisement up.

Anyone can fake emails, anyone who has 10 minutes and the internet can learn how to effectively manipulate headers and if they have any from the person they are trying to forge they can do it perfectly. Whether someone over there says they can’t, they can. Do the research.

In addition if you want a real system the only people who should be able to post are the complainer and the complained. And you have to establish transaction. That’s it.

Go through the list of vendors you see at any of the big shows (Daytona, San Diego, NARBC, etc), why don’t you see them on the BOI or Fauna? Because it is a place where mostly sophomoric individuals sit behind a keyboard and assume they know everything about hear say and easily falsified junk. I was not 100% sure of this statement until yesterday, after the biggest shipping day ever over 130 packages shipped via fedex through the site, I am sure.

Final statement... When you start a business scummy it will always be scummy even if most have forgotten, a lot never will. I will not be extorted by those types of business practices.

Thanks,
David Young

PS. Please feel free to call with anymore questions 727-686-5456

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[Abish]

davidyoung
Site Admin


Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Posts: 289


PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I would like not to revert to personal feelings on past matters. However I feel the community needs to know the background to understand my standing on the BOI.

Thanks,
David Young
727-686-5456





Incidentally, though business is booming, the option to suspend your own account is (still) disabled when I try to click it.


I guess that is his whole 'defense' in writing?

 

[deborahbroadus]

Wow...awesome. He does have a silver tongue! If someone had not read the whole post David's response would leave some confusion as to who was right or wrong.

He still has managed to avoid showing that he has a legal agreement with FedEx to use his account for shipping for hundreds of strangers, he still has managed not to even pay that 250, that he SAID that he agreed to to Kelly after she did the work....and he skillfully managed to plant the seed that it was "extortion."

His response (regardless how the BOI came about) seems just an excuse to dodge the issues AGAIN.

 

[lanceheads]

wow! I didn't know about a lawsuit between Jeff and Rich!
I must have not joined Fauna by then.

But what does this really have to do with this guy's business practices?
Of course I hated it when he slammed the BOI faihful's, but come on!
This is really about David backing out of an agreement...period.

 

[WebSlave]

First I don’t want you to feel disrespected because of my responses over there. They are directed at the 15 people who act like 8 year olds on the playground to every post and every situation. I have complete disrespect for the BOI and Fauna. Its starts with something you probably aren’t aware of. Rich (Web Slave) started the site under the scummiest of business practices. In addition to faunaclassifieds.com he also had it at www.kingsnakes.com and the BOI started as a "Why I hate Jeff (the owner of KS) and kingsnake". This was BAD business in the worst type. And it has always had that scummy feeling to me. I realize a lot of you don’t realize how it came to be. But it has stayed on those guidelines with the BOI. Even though Jeff took Rich to court and won (in a real court) Rich complied with the court order but stayed scummy with the way the BOI works. Jeff and I get a long well and a lot of people don’t understand that, its because I dont attack his business in an attempt to make mine successful. I have created this in 5 months through a lot of hard work. That is how real business is done.

Thanks,
David Young

PS. Please feel free to call with anymore questions 727-686-5456

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Seriously, Mr. Young, you are just proving to me with every word I see you type that you are COMPLETELY clueless about anything. The head bumping I had with Jeff Barringer (which has been resolved amicably OUT of court) took place in 2003 or 2004 (I forget the exact date, excuse me). The BOI was created at least three to four years PRIOR to that (maybe longer...) when I got shafted by someone who sent me rubber checks, and I was looking for a way to warn other people about the guy. So was born the Board Of Inquiry. The name of the site at that time was HerpWantAds.com, btw. Jeff and I had a very good relationship from the inception of the BOI and for a few years afterwards, up till the time that we had a falling out over his wanting a thread posted here by Adam Block deleted, and I refused. So whoever handed you that timeline and story is seriously confused about the historical facts of the matter.

I don't know where you got your information from, fella, but I suggest you try to be more accurate with your "facts" when posting in public. Posting lies or "facts that are blatantly untruthful because of willful ignorance" with the intent to disparage someone's reputation can be a very serious matter to be engaging yourself in.

Speaking of which, would someone be so kind as to screen capture that thread for me? I would like to have a copy, please. Hopefully before it gets edited or deleted.

Anyway, kind of interesting that this suddenly convenient disrespect you have for me and my site helps give you a good excuse to explain your lack of response to those people posting HERE about the issues they have had with you and your business practices, now isn't it? You didn't have any issues at all coming to my site via the Shipping Forum to help people pat you on the back there, now did you? Guess you were willing to overlook that deep seated and long term disrespect then, eh?

But thanks for the chuckle, Mr. Young. It will make the time feeding snakes tonight go much quicker for me..

 

[Southern Wolf]

Speaking of which, would someone be so kind as to screen capture that thread for me? I would like to have a copy, please. Hopefully before it gets edited or deleted.

Got ya covered... I have a single file archive of that thread.... short as it may be since its locked.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Ironically enough.... the OP in that thread is Mr. Young..... wonder where the original post got off to.

 

[Chandler Reptiles]

I have been trying to read and keep informed without cluttering the board with a lot of unnecessary comments. However, I felt the need to respond to that bolded remark above.

13 hours later it didn't come out the way I intended it. I meant it to be completely sarcastic with his people defending him like a bunch of lemmings, sooner or later that group of people will be large enough that they start falling off the cliff.

 

[JudyC]

Ironically enough.... the OP in that thread is Mr. Young..... wonder where the original post got off to.

The original post that David is responding to was a Private Message sent to him by NateL. Apparently David felt it was ok to publicly quote messages that were sent to him privately. Or maybe he asked Nate's permission?

 

[angelkitty]

Gotta leave for work like, ten minutes ago so for now I am just gonna do a Q&D cut and paste from Reptster and hope I don't get a spanking.


davidyoung
Site Admin


Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Posts: 289


PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: In response to a question about the BOI

NateL wrote:
Greetings David.

It is apparent that you or Steve will not answer any questions posed to you in this massive thread over at Fauna.

So I figured I'd go straight to the source and ask you - in hopes you can clear some things up for ME....just for my own personal knowledge.

I've been quietly following the thread - I've made no posts and don't intend to. I think it's important for you to know that I was a potential customer of Reptster. I wanted to use your services. I think there are a lot of people like myself that prefer to stay out of the drama and quietly follow along, forming their own opinions of the situation.

I realize you hate the BOI, and that's fine. But for a lot of people, the BOI is a viable tool in helping them make decisions with expensive animals. We both know that when you're on the wrong end of the poke stick, it can get very nasty and a lot of mud gets slung around.

You tell yourself the BOI doesn't matter - but yes David, It does matter. It matters to the little guys like myself and many many others. As a potential customer of yours, I just cannot understand why someone with so much credibility simply refuses to show a single shred of will to save your own name.

This thread most likely won't kill your business - of course not. But as I said, it leaves a lot of people baffled and confused as to why you refuse to answer very simple questions. For what reason? What do you gain out of it? Publicity? It's well over 1,100 posts of negative publicity if you ask me. For someone will little to no experience in this industry, what am I supposed to think when I read this thread about you? Most people will not have the courtesy to contact you and seek answers for themselves...so here I am, asking for answers to simple questions.

Clearly, there is a misunderstanding between Kelly and yourself. So why do you allow this mess to continue? Why do you not seek some kind of resolution with Kelly and speak with her? It doesn't even have to be on the BOI. But at the very least, an e-mail or a phone call resolving the issue. Surely, Kelly would post letting everyone know there is a resolution. You never even have to go to the BOI. If that's not possible...Why? This is business. It shouldn't be personal.

If Kelly is lying about a lot of what she says, then why do you not defend yourself? Why do you allow your name to be continually dragged through the mud?

Simple logic tells me that this is an issue that could have so easily been resolved way in the beginning. So why not take care of it? How will it negatively affect you by dealing with it?

As a potential customer of yours, David, I'm left wondering what happens whenever I have some sort of issue that needs a resolution. If it doesn't benefit you, am I going to be left with no answers and a "screw you" attitude? I'm not trying to be rude to you - I'm just trying to express how I feel at this point in time. If my feelings, thoughts, and opinions don't matter to you, then whose do?

So David,
Again - as a potential customer - and as someone who really does want to utilize your services and is hoping you have a successful business, all i'm asking for is a few answers to help me figure out why this mess exists and if you intend to fix it. I would appreciate your answers.

I appreciate your time very much.

Thanks,
-Nate


Thanks for coming and asking those questions Nate, you are the first. There are a lot of very long answers to these questions and it’s almost easier to do on the phone but I will try and answer them all here.

First I don’t want you to feel disrespected because of my responses over there. They are directed at the 15 people who act like 8 year olds on the playground to every post and every situation. I have complete disrespect for the BOI and Fauna. Its starts with something you probably aren’t aware of. Rich (Web Slave) started the site under the scummiest of business practices. In addition to faunaclassifieds.com he also had it at www.kingsnakes.com and the BOI started as a "Why I hate Jeff (the owner of KS) and kingsnake". This was BAD business in the worst type. And it has always had that scummy feeling to me. I realize a lot of you don’t realize how it came to be. But it has stayed on those guidelines with the BOI. Even though Jeff took Rich to court and won (in a real court) Rich complied with the court order but stayed scummy with the way the BOI works. Jeff and I get a long well and a lot of people don’t understand that, its because I dont attack his business in an attempt to make mine successful. I have created this in 5 months through a lot of hard work. That is how real business is done.

So when Kelly came on the site and started her extortion I refused to post. Then a friend of mine who I have great respect for Greg Graziani asked me to respond. I reluctantly posted a message on the way out the door stating that I would reply later when I had time. Between that post and when I came back the children had already started to sling mud. Which reinforced my opinion of the BOI. So I put together four emails which were clearly fake to mock the 8 year olds on the site and that directly shows my respect for the BOI and how it came to be. And the next day I posted them. After that Mike Monge called me up and stated that he knew why I did it and agreed with it on some points but that I had offended Kathy Love. I felt bad about that as I really respect her and realized I might have hit a few targets I was not aiming at. I then posted my side, my apologies and the email that showed I had canceled. That’s all the respect that IT will get, if OTHERS feel they deserve more apologies contact me directly and I will apologize but only for mocking them, the rest is still extortion.

From day 2, before I sent her our logo I stated on a phone call that if she wanted 750 I was not going to do her show. We agreed on 250. She knew that, promoted the logo and then tried to get 750 out of me. That to me is a deal breaker, she knew my intention, whether she had 5 kids or not, whether she was newly married or not, the answer was no. And that was made clear before she ever placed any advertisement up.

Anyone can fake emails, anyone who has 10 minutes and the internet can learn how to effectively manipulate headers and if they have any from the person they are trying to forge they can do it perfectly. Whether someone over there says they can’t, they can. Do the research.

In addition if you want a real system the only people who should be able to post are the complainer and the complained. And you have to establish transaction. That’s it.

Go through the list of vendors you see at any of the big shows (Daytona, San Diego, NARBC, etc), why don’t you see them on the BOI or Fauna? Because it is a place where mostly sophomoric individuals sit behind a keyboard and assume they know everything about hear say and easily falsified junk. I was not 100% sure of this statement until yesterday, after the biggest shipping day ever over 130 packages shipped via fedex through the site, I am sure.

Final statement... When you start a business scummy it will always be scummy even if most have forgotten, a lot never will. I will not be extorted by those types of business practices.

Thanks,
David Young

PS. Please feel free to call with anymore questions 727-686-5456

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Thank you Nate!!! David calls fauna scummy-uh hello-David is a scumbag! If he has all this so called proof-where is it?!?!? I know-no where. And David said that Nate was the first one to ask him questions-LIAR!!! I WAS a member at reptster (Kelly told me I should sign up a couple of months ago) and I emailed David and was very nice and polite and asked him to resolve this issue with Kelly and the next time I go to log on to check me messages and I am removed-not a problem cause I would NEVER use reptster nor would I ever tell anyone to use reptster. Sorry but Kelly did not try to extort money from David-this is the definition of extortion David-read a book for once: Extortion, outwresting, or exaction is a criminal offense, which occurs, when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence or a lawsuit which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence or lawsuit is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force,[1] additionally, exact in its formal definition means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or to make somebody endure something unpleasant.[2]. Hmm well they had an agreement (the email has been proven as authentic-David is just a rat) so her asking for payment is NOT extortion, she is not in a crime family, she didn't threaten to break his legs or tell him he would be swimming with the fishes, she didn't use any force! David if you feel like you were extorted then why not come on here and prove your case or call the cops-extortion IS illegal! You won't do either cause you KNOW you are wrong and you KNOW the cops would laugh at you, dismiss the case against Kelly, and lock your behind up for theft. Here is the definition of theft of services: Theft of services is the legal term for a crime which is committed when a person obtains valuable services — as opposed to goods — by deception, force, threat or other unlawful means, i.e., without lawfully compensating the provider of said services. It may also overlap with some types of fraud in which payment is made on credit, but under an assumed identity, and ultimately disavowed ("Identity theft").

Crimes of this sort are typically prosecuted as larceny, and may be either a misdemeanor or a felony, based upon the value of the services illegally obtained. This category encompasses a wide variety of criminal activity including, but not limited to, tampering with (or bypassing) a utility meter so that the true level of consumption is understated; leaving a hotel or restaurant or similar establishment without paying for the service; and "turnstile jumping" or other methods of evading the payment of a fare or fee when using a public transit vehicle or entering a private facility normally requiring payment (e.g., amusements). Theft of this sort should not be confused with reasonable rejection, where, for example, a customer does not pay because the services provided were not as advertised.

Hmm let's take a look at some key points: Theft of services is the legal term for a crime which is committed when a person obtains valuable services — as opposed to goods — by deception, force, threat or other unlawful means, i.e., without lawfully compensating the provider of said services. - Hello-this is what YOU did! You got services (marketing) and did not pay for them even though an agreement was in place, you acknowledge that you owe at least $250 correct? Well by your own admittance you committed theft of services which is a punishable offense and you can be prosecuted if criminal charges would be filed-don't think that will happen but I just want to open your eyes, if that is even possible because you seem like a pompas jerk and a poor excuse for a human being!

Kelly-I am looking forward to your show and people are talking about it so David is just missing out on something that will be great and will become even greater! I am just happy that I will be there at the first of many shows! Kelly I am just SO sorry that this has happened to you. I believe what comes around goes around-you reap what you sow and David has sowed nothing but evil! Love you Kelly!

Catherine

 

[Cat_72]

Sooo....to sum up David's post, not only does he give those of us who originally posted in this thread and said we we waiting, giving him the benefit of the doubt til he posted, a big ol slap in the face, he's flinging a big ol pile of lies and crap at Rich. All the while STILL avoiding answering any real questions.

He sure doesn't give us much credit, does he?

 

[big daddy's wholesal]

The ENERGIZER BUNNY

It just keeps going and going and going!!!
Someone awhile back referred to a group of individuals on here as a pack of wolves and some people got offended. But I will try to say it in a nicer more professional way! It is more like a cyber gang. When the same 15-20 people get on almost every thread and form alliances and put everyone else on the defensive, I think it stinks.
WEBSLAVE: YOU STATED THAT YOU STARTED THIS WEBSITE BECAUSE SOMEONE HAD WRITTEN YOU A BAD CHECK, SO HOW IN THE WORLD DID YOU ALLOW SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED FOR SO MUCH GOOD TO GO DOWN THE POT! TURN YOUR SITE AROUND TO DO GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND STOP ALLOWING A SMALL GANG OF PEOPLE WITH BLOATED EGOS TO RUIN THE GOOD THAT COULD COME FROM THIS SITE!
Back to the group, Don't stop now let's see if we can top the record with this thread. I mean after all David has to be stopped. right,WHATEVER! He has a successful site with a great shipping idea that has helped a tremendous amount of people in our industry. Could it be JELEOUSY!
On a side note Terry sent me the rope but i was confussed at which end to hold!
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

 

[shrap]

Belcher, you are a proven liar and scumbag. No one cares what you think or have to say. You have proven time and again that the truth means nothing to you. So please just shut up.

 

[JudyC]

Ummmmm...Allen....no one is trying to STOP David from doing anything. I, for one, would much rather see him DO SOMEthing that shows a backbone and a hint of genuine integrity. I would really, really like to see that because I honestly liked the guy.