Reptster.com experience with show sponsorship not good

[WingedWolf]

With that logic... it is legal to smoke crack so long as I dont get caught...



But the point that is trying to be made is..... UNTILL you read the whole thing... you can not make an imformed opinion reguarding alot of what has been said in this thread.

I came into this about 5 days behind... and honestly it took me about 4 hours to read thru everything to get caught up. One thing that helped was I changed the number of posts per page in my profile.

Please start from the beginning.... chances are you will prob agree with everyone then. If you dont... then at least you have all the info to make an imformed opinnion.

You spent FOUR HOURS reading all of this? Honestly, that just proves my point. lol
Dude, I have work to do, and better ways to spend 4 hours. It takes a lot of stamina to wade into all of that. My conclusion--tell me when it's over, and who I should use to ship.
There isn't anything I can do about it anyhow.
I could read a book in four hours. There isn't 4 hours worth of complaints and supporting data here, there's 15 minutes worth maybe...the rest is noise. It's one thing to spend 5 or 10 minutes checking a forum post a few times, but FOUR HOURS?

It would just be nice if there were some way--IN GENERAL--to summarize the real information out of threads like these, and seperate it from all of the bickering. How much longer will this go on? Someone looking up information on Reptster later will come across this...and have to spend an entire day just to read it all? It's crazy.

 

[jayefbe]

We've BEEN summarizing it for you, but you continue to respond with, "where has that been proven, yadda yadda yadda". It's not our job to fill you in on every little detail, you're welcome to read every post like we have, and then give your steadily declining in value 2 cents.

In short, while it may take a little bit of trust to believe Kelly since some of the disagreement involves verbal communications, she has not once shown to lie, hide the truth, or stretch the truth in one single instance in all 1000+ posts in this thread. She is an admirable person, and judging by her commitment to honesty seen in this thread, I'd trust with my unborn first male child.

David has lied repeatedly, a fact that has been proven and substantiated with more than enough evidence.

If you read the threads, you will see that both statements are true.

So, after 1000+ posts, Kelly has been devoted to telling the truth and no a single person with half a mind could say otherwise (you are the exception, are you not?). David has lied and then hauled ass to his reptster sanctuary hidden in the mountainside. On top of that, new issues concerning David's business practices have been brought up and verified.

Now that it has been summarized and simplified to the simplest terms possible while still remaining completely truthful, do you understand?

There...just summarized it for you...again.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

You spent FOUR HOURS reading all of this? Honestly, that just proves my point. lol
Dude, I have work to do, and better ways to spend 4 hours. It takes a lot of stamina to wade into all of that. My conclusion--tell me when it's over, and who I should use to ship.
There isn't anything I can do about it anyhow.
I could read a book in four hours. There isn't 4 hours worth of complaints and supporting data here, there's 15 minutes worth maybe...the rest is noise. It's one thing to spend 5 or 10 minutes checking a forum post a few times, but FOUR HOURS?

It would just be nice if there were some way--IN GENERAL--to summarize the real information out of threads like these, and seperate it from all of the bickering. How much longer will this go on? Someone looking up information on Reptster later will come across this...and have to spend an entire day just to read it all? It's crazy.

You have four hours to continue adding to this "absurd mess" But not four hours to read it?

 

[WingedWolf]

Hey Donna,

You've been going on about the Lacey Act, and shipping legally, etc.

Check out reptsters' own shipping how-to video...
http://www.reptster.com/connections/fedex/fedex_terms.php

uh oh...did you see what I saw? He didn't label the box properly...hmmm...so reptsters own video promotes illegally shipping reptiles.

The box didn't actually have anything in it--it was a demonstration on how to pack a reptile into a box, not on how to label the box or affix a shipping label to it.

What on earth does that have to do with shipping legally? They didn't show the package being dropped off at the center, or picked up, either. My point was that you have ONLY Fed Ex as an option to ship snakes to your door. ONLY Fed Ex will allow you to legally mark your box and still deliver the package within their TOS.
UPS will not deliver a box marked to have a snake in it if they catch it, and neither will DHL. Yes, UPS will ship lizards--but not snakes.
If someone has a 'deal' with them and was told to NOT mark their box, then they were advised to break the law.

The Lacey Act isn't in question--it's pretty clear on what is required. You have to have your animals in a properly marked container EVEN IF YOU DRIVE THEM OVER THE STATE LINE YOURSELF.

 

[WingedWolf]

You have four hours to continue adding to this "absurd mess" But not four hours to read it?

No, I have not spent 4 whole hours on this mess, lol.

I check back in periodically, but I'm doing a bunch of other stuff at the same time. A far cry from sitting down and just reading for 4 hours. Or more.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

You spent FOUR HOURS reading all of this? Honestly, that just proves my point. lol
Dude, I have work to do, and better ways to spend 4 hours. It takes a lot of stamina to wade into all of that. My conclusion--tell me when it's over, and who I should use to ship.
There isn't anything I can do about it anyhow.
I could read a book in four hours. There isn't 4 hours worth of complaints and supporting data here, there's 15 minutes worth maybe...the rest is noise. It's one thing to spend 5 or 10 minutes checking a forum post a few times, but FOUR HOURS?

.

Then.....shut up

 

[jayefbe]

No, I have not spent 4 whole hours on this mess, lol.

I check back in periodically, but I'm doing a bunch of other stuff at the same time. A far cry from sitting down and just reading for 4 hours. Or more.

Is that pride I detect? Are you proud of the fact that you continue to spout your much maligned opinion despite your lack of knowledge of the subject at hand?

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

No, I have not spent 4 whole hours on this mess, lol.

I check back in periodically, but I'm doing a bunch of other stuff at the same time. A far cry from sitting down and just reading for 4 hours. Or more.

You cant spend whatever many minute intervals READING the thread you are uninformed on, but you can post? ( Which takes a considerably longer time than reading)

With the amount of posting you have done, you could have read this entire thread several times over.

 

[jayefbe]

The box didn't actually have anything in it--it was a demonstration on how to pack a reptile into a box, not on how to label the box or affix a shipping label to it.

What on earth does that have to do with shipping legally? They didn't show the package being dropped off at the center, or picked up, either. My point was that you have ONLY Fed Ex as an option to ship snakes to your door. ONLY Fed Ex will allow you to legally mark your box and still deliver the package within their TOS.
UPS will not deliver a box marked to have a snake in it if they catch it, and neither will DHL. Yes, UPS will ship lizards--but not snakes.
If someone has a 'deal' with them and was told to NOT mark their box, then they were advised to break the law.

The Lacey Act isn't in question--it's pretty clear on what is required. You have to have your animals in a properly marked container EVEN IF YOU DRIVE THEM OVER THE STATE LINE YOURSELF.

The last line of the video is something along the lines of "there, just stick the printed label on and it's ready to go". You just pick and choose, pick and choose. It's almost laughable if it wasn't so sad. If shipping reptiles legally according to the lacey act is important to you, than you should have a problem with reptsters video!!!

 

[JudyC]

It would just be nice if there were some way--IN GENERAL--to summarize the real information out of threads like these, and seperate it from all of the bickering. How much longer will this go on? Someone looking up information on Reptster later will come across this...and have to spend an entire day just to read it all? It's crazy.

The thread has been repeatedly summarized...by different people, each with their own point of view and opinion...but most reaching exactly the same conclusion. The problem appears to be that you don't trust the summaries. If you won't bother reading it...and you won't trust the summaries given...then why even bother trying to participate and continue to add to the "noise" that makes it just as difficult for everyone else to wade through.

It's not that hard to read through and catch up on a BOI thread (even an epic one) if one really wants to. You learn where the real "noise" is and can quickly skim over it. But if you can't be bothered to do that, then the obvious conclusion is that it isn't that important to you to begin with....which begs the question about why bother posting in the first place.

 

[jayefbe]

Donna, you're just blindly following David at this point. Your arguments are hypocritical, and it's sad to see you grasp and what little straws are left in order to make them. Who is this silver-tongued distorter of the truth that has you so lost in his wake?

 

[jayefbe]

*at, not and

 

[Southern Wolf]

Is it just me.... or has the last 60 posts or so... been in reguards to responding to 2 people that haven't even read the whole thread... but insist on giving their UNinformed opinion.

From what I have seen.... alot of the NOISE (as it is put)... has been from people that cant even make an imformed opinion.

At this rate... this thread will definately beat TSE.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Is it just me.... or has the last 60 posts or so... been in reguards to responding to 2 people that haven't even read the whole thread... but insist on giving their UNinformed opinion.

From what I have seen.... alot of the NOISE (as it is put)... has been from people that cant even make an imformed opinion.

At this rate... this thread will definately beat TSE.

Its funny how when you tell them that though, as i have, they ignore it quite plainly.

Interesting! And eyes open further!

 

[hhmoore]

Isn't this whole discussion of legality irrelevant to this thread, and just so much cover smoke and clutter? You know, the stuff the poster of those comments was so critical of (but that she kept adding to)? Bottom line is that it is the shipper that is responsible for proper labeling...the shipping company does nothing more than uphold their policies.

Donna - nobody really cares if, or why, you choose to utilize Reptster for your shipping needs. BUT, for the record, thinking back over your various posts over how difficult and time consuming it is to get a FedEx waiver, I could have completed the process a couple times over by now.

Also, I had Kelly forward the emails to me. Admittedly, they are one sided, and fall a little flat without the benefit of either responses from David OR evidence of whatever agreement was reached by phone. I looked them over, and quickly compared them to the ones posted in this thread. I have to admit that where the posted emails have the number blocked out ($xxx), the originals did not all read $750. I believe there were 3 cases of blocked out numbers. 1 was in reference to the agreed upon sponsorship, and read $750; 1 referenced an agreed upon payment plan, that stated David had agreed to provide weekly payments of $200 until paid in full, and 1 was an inquiry on the status of the first promised payment ($200 which was supposed to have already been mailed).
Overall, there was no inconsistency evidenced in those emails. The sponsorship fee was always listed at $750. While I have no reason to disbelieve Kelly, since the relevant conversations apparently took place over the phone, this is likely to remain a case of he said/she said.

 

[Double LY]

What on earth does that have to do with shipping legally?

You have been harping on and on through this thread about Reptster being a way to "legally" ship reptiles. Where in holy hell do you see where one thing has to do with another.

David's own words from the shipping forum state ...

Liability...

If we tell you our legal interpretation of the Lacey act then we can be called upon to defend it and your interpretation of our interpretation that we gave you in the video.....

Bottom line is that you are responsible for shipping legally and we can’t give you our interpretation of a federal law or we open ourselves up for legal action.

Your argument of shipping via Reptster = shipping legally is completely fabricated.

As for complaints - check out the shipping thread. People have been bringing issues to light for several months now. Some appear to have been corrected (double billing for printing a label) and some have not (rounding up weight on boxes and not giving customers a refund of the difference). David tells Home Grown Herps one thing about contacting their personal FedEx rep, then comes on the thread saying it was a "misunderstanding" (or was it the beginning of his lies). It's a shame the shipping thread did not appear as an "inquiry" here on the BOI months ago. I am of the opinion that David's true persona would have come to light LONG ago, but you know what they say about hindsight

 

[hhmoore]

You spent FOUR HOURS reading all of this? Honestly, that just proves my point. lol
Dude, I have work to do, and better ways to spend 4 hours. It takes a lot of stamina to wade into all of that. My conclusion--tell me when it's over, and who I should use to ship.
There isn't anything I can do about it anyhow.
I could read a book in four hours. There isn't 4 hours worth of complaints and supporting data here, there's 15 minutes worth maybe...the rest is noise. It's one thing to spend 5 or 10 minutes checking a forum post a few times, but FOUR HOURS?

It would just be nice if there were some way--IN GENERAL--to summarize the real information out of threads like these, and seperate it from all of the bickering. How much longer will this go on? Someone looking up information on Reptster later will come across this...and have to spend an entire day just to read it all? It's crazy.

Donna, for somebody so focused & outspoken on the noise level, your own contributions to that noise are pretty impressive.

 

[BryonsBoas]

In my little corner of the world we believe people are innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof lies with the accuser and that you have a right to silence without the presumption of guilt. I am aware that in other parts of the world and the BOI those luxuries are not shared, but in mine that’s how we tend to think.

I don’t feel comfortable condemning someone based on no/circumstantial evidence. I believe in extending the same courtesies to others that I would expect for myself and that due diligence should be done.

IMO - What it comes down to is lack of proof. Both parties have admitted that negotiations were held via phone and by doing so they both left themselves open for problems to occur. The e-mails do not mention a dollar figure or any mention of agreed upon services prior to it clearly being a problem. He says she was all over the board with figures and services and she maintains it was the same price throughout – both saw the deal as the train wreck it was and yet no one bothered to put anything in writing and that is just bad business on both ends. In all honesty since we don’t see a dollar figure until too late in the game it really does bring into question if there was a set price or not. After-the-fact, one way emails don’t constitute proof – show me where he agreed to pay x amount, by what date, for what services and I’ll happily accept that.

To further muddy the waters the nit picking began as it usually does. Very few of which are actual BOI offenses versus grasping at straws and witch-hunt tactics. If you have facts to present then present them otherwise the whining about trivial stuff like your posts still appear on his forum after you cancel your membership is just insane.

Now grant it – he came off on the wrong foot with his original reply – and then followed it with a backhanded apology. As well it appears that he lied about the Paypal requests – but I’m told it’s quite easy to remove and add email addresses from one account to another and they could likely have used another account to send them from. But that is neither here nor there - none of this really bodes well for his case – but neither does it mean he is guilty as charged. I have expressed my displeasure with David and I’ve told him that he owes it to his customers to make things right – either by coming to an agreement with Kelly or by presenting any proof that he has to support his side of the story. Until such time I wont be using his service but will keep an open mind should he decide to make things right. He apparently feels justified in his actions since Kelly tried to extort further monies from him by imposing her financial hardships on him. It appears his stance is that this will all eventually die down and it will be business as usual – he’s probably right.

The issue is whether or not he backed out of a contract or if undisclosed issues arose between the parties verbal negotiations that warrant his actions. Obviously early on there were red flags and cause for concern and based on what both parties stated neither was happy with how things were working out -- and yet neither party stopped to think about putting something down in writing and following through with it. As such IMO it appears both parties are at fault of a poorly planned and executed business deal.

This is likely the most ignorant thing you've posted in this thread yet. It completely contradicts itself. Again , it very one sided since you've obviously sided with David and keep implying that Kelly tried to extort money. Your response isn't far from the two responses from David. If you are so displeased with David , why are you still pushing David's excuses so hard and still implying that Kelly was extorting money , again , according to David whom your so displeased with.

Over the past months I've paid more attention to your posts as you strike me as someone who does nothing more than stir pots of crap. Now , however , I find your posts showing the two faces of Tosha more and more. I do want to thank you for that as it weeds out any misconseptions I might have had of you earlier and strengthens what I had thought most .... you are just as big a worthless sack of crap as whom you repeatedly defend but claim your not defending.

 

[BryonsBoas]

The box didn't actually have anything in it--it was a demonstration on how to pack a reptile into a box, not on how to label the box or affix a shipping label to it.

What on earth does that have to do with shipping legally? They didn't show the package being dropped off at the center, or picked up, either. My point was that you have ONLY Fed Ex as an option to ship snakes to your door. ONLY Fed Ex will allow you to legally mark your box and still deliver the package within their TOS.
UPS will not deliver a box marked to have a snake in it if they catch it, and neither will DHL. Yes, UPS will ship lizards--but not snakes.
If someone has a 'deal' with them and was told to NOT mark their box, then they were advised to break the law.

The Lacey Act isn't in question--it's pretty clear on what is required. You have to have your animals in a properly marked container EVEN IF YOU DRIVE THEM OVER THE STATE LINE YOURSELF.

Rich Ihle shipped the Sabogaes we have via UPS under a shipping account. I received my boa from Jeff Ronne via UPS under his shipping account. I think Ronne has since moved to FedEx but for a cheaper rate due to his caging than anything else , not sure on Ihle. There has been more than a few breeders that have had reptile shipping accounts with UPS and used them to ship snakes with UPS having full knowledge of it. Before you go spouting " facts " try a little research first so they are facts.

 

[MiIguanaLvr]

Dont pussy foot around Tosha. Just come right out and say Kelly is lying and doing devious acts such as you say they "likely" could have.

Here let me show you how it is done. You Tosha are a self serving poor excuse for a human being.

You have repeatedly tried throughout this thread to insinuate that Kelly has lied and done any number of underhanded things to twist the facts in this case without a shred of evidence to support your obviously biased self serving interest.

You truly make me sick and I would have to say that I would avoid doing business with you as much as I would any other proven scumbag. And yes, I consider you to be a morally inept proven scumbag who should be avoided at all costs.

I have to say Sammie, that this is one of THE BEST posts in this entire thread and I am in 100% agreement with you. I, for one, am very glad you said it.
THANK YOU