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Harald -- is that bad or good? Would you recommend cancelling the card?

(BTW I agree with you -- hold for pickup is the way to go! Soooo much less of a headache ...)
 
The whole customer access section is gone - presumably to prevent somebody from setting up a shipment. I don't doubt that the files still exist...so, the call on cancelling the card would be relative to one's impression of (trust in) David. Or, as in my case, whether one actually remembers what card was entered there :ack2: .
 
Some interesting points to consider in all of this blabbering...my comments will be in red bold imbedded into the post itself.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:33 am
Post subject: Update on FedEx/UPS

I finally got a hold of David and was able to get the real deal as to the situation between Reptster and FedEx that lead to the spur of the moment split. I am posting this as David is completely swamped with all that's happened, is needed and will be needed going forward. So, now that the crap has hit the fan, David can't be reached for his customers that have an issue, but he can still buy snakes 3 days ago? David is already pulling a disappearing act, and is once again leaving it up to his spokespersons to take the fall. I have spoken to Gerry in emails before, and he seems like a nice guy, and I hope for his sake once again that he does not get caught up in this debacle.

As many know we've had a few situations with isolated FedEx employees where packages were refused at hubs. which happens whether you use FedEx directly or Reptster, but Reptster claimed "no problems" Most of these were resolved with a phone call to David/FedEx, information was passed to these employees, apologies were made and packages were shipped. In some cases FedEx employees refused even internal directions and it became a pain dealing with these communication gaps with FedEx internally. This did not cause the split, but was becoming a thorn in our back side. And exactly how many times did this happen to Reptster customers? According to Steven Kelley and David Young himself, Reptster didn't have these kinds of issues. They suddenly got so bad that FedEx is now shut down without warning with Reptster? Sounds fishy to me...

Apparently we had three shipments refused by FedEx last week and FedEx refused to refund the payments. This was becoming all too common practice with FedEx lately and began to take it's toll on Reptster's ability to provide a consistent service to it's users. So this is the problem for the customers? No, it would be between FedEx and Reptster, as the customer already paid Reptster. So basically, the fact that Reptster was having to actually PAY FedEx was becoming an issue for Reptster's wallet. Imagine that...

Here are the actual reasons that caused the split between Reptster & FedEx:
Another chain of events that added to the recent decision to split from FedEx was the refusal from FedEx to refund payments for anything arriving late or dead due to the waiver we all sign when becoming certified. Reptster was no different and this was taking a toll with issues stemming from FedEx becoming more and more common. More and more common But Reptster had NO issues with DOA's just a few weeks ago according to Steven Kelley's post. I guess we are to believe that since Steven put that up, FedEx suddenly started delivering Reptster shipped packages late or dead, but certainly not before, right? I mean, that's what Reptster has been telling everyone....In other words, FedEx was not willing to refund money according to the waiver that Reptster had, and apparently they feel they should have had something different than the rest of that are certified and lose out on a DOA package?

Another situation was surround our discounts; FedEx wanted to renegotiate with Reptster. In other words, they wanted to raise our prices due to their claims with increased costs, wow, imagine that, Reptster backs out because of a claim of price negotiation issues even though gas prices have lowered considerably over the past few weeks. FedEx wanted more money; even though Reptster is shipping volume which was exceeding our original agreement with FedEx. As of Saturday, FedEx abruptly canceled our discounts and refused any reasonable negotiations after they stated we had 30 days. 30 days? To what? Pay your account? To get out of collections? Until they officially canceled with you? This is very confusing. On Monday Reptster took a substantial financial hit and had to pay the difference between what was and what is for any packages that were being shipped. If the discounts were just canceled on Saturday, then how did Reptster take such a huge hit for packages just shipped on Monday without the discounts? Or does this have to do something with the confusing "30 day" comment earlier? The only way Reptster could shut it down was to take the payment method off of the account, which essentially shut it down instantly. In other words, Reptster removed the credit card billing information from the FedEx site so they could not bill him properly, so they shut down his account, at least that is how I am reading this statement. Reptster will pay what is owed to FedEx for this month and move on with a clean slate.

According to a conversation David had with FedEx Chief Council. FedEx is losing a ton of money these days and are cutting all recent programs (like the one offered to Reptster). FedEx is going to start tightening up on many accounts that are not as profitable for them as others. Even though Reptster kept up it's end of the contract with FedEx, FedEx was not. We apologize for any inconvenience that has caused anyone and we have, are and will take care of any pending issues because of this situation.This entire paragraph just seems like a 'pity us, FedEx screwed us" thing to steer people away from the idea that FedEx has them in collections

If anything positive has come from this, it is the openness of UPS and wanting to partner with Reptster 100%. Reptster was able to show significant volumes being shipped regularly from the community and UPS has been great to deal with! UPS is much better organized and we have been able to capitalize on the success and avoid a few mistakes we made during our time with FedEx. The UPS contract is bulletproof, as we have learned from our dealings with FedEx. We feel the partnership with UPS will prove to be a solid one the community will benefit from for years to come. UPS Legal and Reptster Legal have reviewed everything and Reptster sent out our first 15 packages today as a test pilot.If anything positive has come from this, it is the fact that the reptile community has been once gain alerted to issues regarding Reptster that have no real answer, at least none coming from David Young himself. It shows us that Reptster apparently has lied about its reputation and claims of a perfect record, and that Mr. Young has issues paying the bills. Hopefully nothing BAD comes from this with FedEx and UPS or any other shipping company that can affect the reptile community as a whole, as we have it bad enough on the shipping end of the deal now.

If all goes well, we expect to be back up and shipping with UPS on Monday-Wednesday the latest next week. Only thing is: No shipping of snakes until UPS reviews test packages and policy changes surrounding snakes. Both UPS and Reptster want to make sure we have everything covered and everyone is protected when it comes to snakes. And so, what are the people who are shipping snakes supposed to do until then? And what if someone decides to go ahead and "slip one by" and get caught? Who is responsible, the shipper, or Reptster? And what happens to the animal(s) in question that are shipped against UPS policy that are caught? Don't you (Reptster) think that UPS will be closely monitoring the packages sent under your account number until they make a decision?

To answer the question again that I know will be asked and talked about: UPS IS CONSIDERING ACCEPTING NON-VENOMOUS SNAKES VIA REPTSTER AND IS SCHEDULED TO REVIEW POLICY BY NOVEMBER 17th TO BE EXACT! They are considering it just for Reptster customers, or as a whole? If it is something they decide to change for the community as a whole, why would anyone need Reptster to ship snakes through UPS for them? Also, what if they DON"T change their policy, what is the real benefit to most breeders out there, since the majority of animals shipped are usually snakes?

Sorry, this whole post just pisses me off, not as the OP of this thread, but as a person who sees the forest through the trees and gets really mad when I see the ability for some people (Reptster and it's associates) to dupe unknowing and unsuspecting people into believing their line of crap. How many more lies and double talk are we, as the reptile community, supposed to put up with? Does he really think we are that stupid??
 
The whole customer access section is gone - presumably to prevent somebody from setting up a shipment. I don't doubt that the files still exist...so, the call on cancelling the card would be relative to one's impression of (trust in) David. Or, as in my case, whether one actually remembers what card was entered there :ack2: .

Harald, although David Young is not available, maybe you (and others who cannot remember what card is on file there) can call and find out which one it is? They should at least be able to provide the last 4 digits of the card in question. Just because the customer access area is down, I honestly do not believe they just deleted the entire database, as it is going to be needed once UPS is on board, right?
 
I have a question that I don't think has been posed before:
If Repster did in fact have a legal account with FedEx ( and may have one with UPS?) how would it be of any benefit whatsoever to either FedEx or UPS to offer a shipping discount to a middleman (Repster) that is partially passed on to the middleman's clientele?
Seriously.What service does this middleman ( Repster) provide that FedEx/UPS can't?
The only thing I can think of is the shipping video, whereas FedEx already has a program for becoming certified ( People this service is free! and it's not that difficult just takes a little time.)
 
Essentially, the discount was due to the volume of business Reptster was bringing to the company (FedEx). It had little/nothing to do with any service they were providing.
 
Kevin,
It's very obvious that you weren't bashing Reptster over there. It's clear that your reason for posting was the hassle with the FedEx clerk. I can relate to your hard times and trying to save $25. Morality usually has a way of coming back to cost those of us that struggle with it. ;)

As for the live animal shipping agreement that packages are to be shipped "from business to business," the best way that I know of to completely avoid issues is to drop off your package at the nearest ma & pa FedEx pack-n-ship store and to have it sent to the customer's nearest FedEx pack-n-ship store.

Prepare your shipment online and set the "Pickup/Dropoff" option to "FedEx Authorized Ship Center." Drop the package off at your nearest ma & pa pack-n-ship store. It won't cost you any more, the ship center gets $1 or so from FedEx for handling are bound by FedEx terms to accept your package. Put the customer's name & phone number in the "To:" field and then the name and address of the customer's local pack-n-ship store in the "Address:" field. The store will call when the package arrives. It's best for the customer to notify the store ofthe expected package beforehand so they'll know to call ASAP. Yes, it's a bit more of a hassle on the customer's end but there won't be any questions about legalitlies interrupting the shipment.

Because I live so far out in the boonies a package that I have picked up at my house will be on the truck longer than it would if I drop it off at my local pack-n-ship store. Before I started shipping I went to the small store & talked to owner about my plans to see how he felt about it. He was perfectly fine with it. I tip him & his clerk every now & then because they take good care of me.

To get back more on topic - I believe that Reptster had a legitimate account with FedEx because I can't imagine FedEx not catching a fraudulent account of that magnitude, let alone any fraudulent shipping account with them.

Personally, at the moment I don't think David is an all-out crook. Yes, I do feel he did a crooked thing by not settling up with Kelly of "Central PA Reptile Expo." I think that was a very bad decision. I feel that if he had crooked intentions for Reptster from the start he would already be sitting in Aruba via fraudulent credit card charges from all his shipping users.

Could he eventually do so? Yes. Hard times make some people do things they normally wouldn't do. Cancelling credit cards? Not to create panic but it is better to be safe than sorry.

When registering for Reptster's shipping you're basically registering on a forum. My password standards are more relaxed on forums than they are on banking, financial security, sites. When entering credit card info at Reptster you are, or were at the time I did so, transfered to a secured server. The fact that your credit card info is left unscrambled is a real concern though. All a person that knows your username needs is to figure out that simple lil' 4 - 6 character password you used to get your credit card info.

I caught the credit card info glitch back in the end of July. I shipped a package one day & went to ship again the next day and saw my card # in whole. I processed my shipment and turned around and deleted my credit card info. I did that the next few times I shipped with them, not leaving my number in there. I know that David was informed of the glitch back in the end of July from a person I mentioned it to. It was never fixed as far as I know.

As far as Reptster's FedEx account being delinquent - I think that the billing/payment terms would most likely have been somewhere between 30 - 90 days. And with the credit crunch gripping the nation these days & how young of a business Reptster was I'm leaning towards 30 days. I suspect David couldn't afford to make a payment and FedEx wouldn't grant an extension, thus the end of a great thing. I don't buy the "problems with FedEx's shipping" line for one second. Nobody in their right mind would severe ties with FedEx before UPS was up & running.Here's another reason I don't buy that story.

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It takes a lot of money to run a business, especially one like Reptster had. A lot of money required up front with slow incoming gains.

If I were to get myself in David's current position I would probably temporarily withold FedEx payment if I needed that money to get my business back on it's feet. After all, I've had to let a few bills go into collection & pay them later down the road when I was younger & new to the world of credit's "buy now, pay later." So maybe that's what David's doing and hopefully he's not going out on the town with that money. I don't know. Him buying Tom Pecanic's BRBs doesn't look too good, though.

The post that Rextiles copied/pasted is from Reptster's forums, I've seen it myself. I think it could support my theory that David first got behind on his FedEx bill & he tried to get FedEx to work with him further about the bill. FedEx probably said; "OK, but you pay full rate until you catch up, and we'll apply refunds towards your bill instead of returning the money to you." Why else would FedEx recently begin refusing to issue refunds? I also don't think FedEx would even dare to violate their previous rate contract
just by upping the rates without a previous breach of contract by Reptster (payment default).

My biggest concern is all the innocent people that have counted on Reptster and have already sold snakes with no way to ship them now. I don't think David planned for all this to happen, but still, his business practices have, and will, hurt a lot of people.

That leads me to my next big concern - the fallout from all of this. Now, because of Reptster, I'm sure FedEx will begin to scrutinize future live animal shipment applicants and the shipping from "business to business" aspect of everyone already approved. I'm seriously afraid that we're all going to feel the impact of this. Whether you've ever shipped with them or not.

I rate this right up there with the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the big bailout, and all the other financial catastrophies - I think it's due strictly to poor management and oversight.

I've tried several times but I just can't end this post without one more attempt to be perfectly fair. So here it goes; Several famous, and now prosperous, people have failed the first few big adventures they went into. Maybe this will get David's attention and wake him up to where he'll settle up with Kelly and right all wrongs and begin again. I do hope he sees what he's done, whether he did it unintentionally or intentionally. Does that mean we should give him a pass? I don't think so. If we all end up feeling the heat from this I might move towards lynching, but until then........


Michael Sanders
 
Kevin - apparently you are under the impression that I visit BP.net with any regularity...you might want to check my post count (I'll save you the trouble, its 3). I saw the reference here, read the thread, commented, and left. I'm sorry if you felt I was ignoring you by not responding, but I didn't realize you had addressed me.

I also think you might have been a tad oversensitive if you considered my post condescending.

I don't think I am being oversensative, it is not exactly a trait I am know for! Your initial question of my post reeks of a smug attitude, and considering you have all of 3 post on that board it seems you went out of your way to make a statment to prove some sort of point. Sorry, but if your going to open your mouth and call me out then stick around and communicate, but to hit and run back to your little hole over here is just lame. Your advise is good, I just can't understand why you have to be so smug about it. You may see it as a simple thread, but these issues are directly effecting myself and my family money wise,.....so YES I am a little hot under the collar when it comes to these issues.

I also happen to be one of only a couple on that board that understood what Reptster was doing was wrong. I am more than willing to publicly admit my mistakes and flaws and try to learn from them, however I will not tolerate disrespect...especially when I am trying to help others learn from my mistakes. I also stated that the thread was a way vent and blow off some steam among freinds, but you took that the wrong way and felt the need to look important and make a point.

Sometimes Harald it is not what you say, but how you say it that can make a difference. If you didn't include that first sentence questioning why I had started the thread in the first place, I wouldn't have felt so insulted.

As for the shipment that started my thread there, well it made it fine to PA this morning and a couple of very understanding people are very happy with their new pythons.

Of all the shipments I have done through FEDEX, whether on my own account or through Reptster I have only had issues on a couple. Everytime an issue arises it is like trying to make peace in the Middle-East for these various levels of FEDEX to communicate with each other effectively.
It is what it is!
 
That leads me to my next big concern - the fallout from all of this. Now, because of Reptster, I'm sure FedEx will begin to scrutinize future live animal shipment applicants and the shipping from "business to business" aspect of everyone already approved. I'm seriously afraid that we're all going to feel the impact of this. Whether you've ever shipped with them or not.

I rate this right up there with the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the big bailout, and all the other financial catastrophies - I think it's due strictly to poor management and oversight.

Hm, I'm not quite sure how this will affect Fedex's handling of this due to Reptsters inadequacies, but I would have a very hard time believing that Fedex would let this hinder their ability to make more money shipping reptiles as it currently stands. In fact, I would think it would make Fedex look long and hard at the statistics (by whatever amount of shipments that were made through Reptster) to realize that there is indeed a large viable market and that they could simplify the certification process even more and try and restructure their former overall corporate mentality of not shipping snakes.

I think also that the initiation of not only Reptster trying to use UPS for serpent shipping, but the fact that UPS was at the Daytona show, would indicate an interest and possible competitiveness for trying to secure the reptile shipping market. I believe that by Reptster, regardless of their current business practices, can open UPS' eyes to the volume and need for this market and the fact that Fedex is already implementing this type of certified shipping. I strongly believe this can only benefit us as a community even if Reptster blows their deal with UPS. At least it will make UPS aware of our needs as a reptile industry and hopefully open new doors that weren't open before.

I believe it would take a lot more than just an upstart company like Reptster to change Fedex's willingness to offer a certification for shipping reptiles. I just don't think Reptster has been operating long enough to have that kind of clout to royally screw it up for the rest of us in the industry. Now, if Fedex employees were having to deal with escaped snakes and if there were injuries or other problems associated with that, especially illegally shipped venomous reptiles, then that might be an entirely different scenario altogether. But this, I wouldn't sweat over it too much.
 
Essentially, the discount was due to the volume of business Reptster was bringing to the company (FedEx). It had little/nothing to do with any service they were providing.
Harald, I can understand that to a certain degree. But what I'd like to know is how many new shippers did Repster actually create? I would think that Repster just concentrated what was already happening. People who were already shipping against FedEx's regulations without certification ( knowingly or unknowingly) or using other postal carriers to do the same.
Maybe I should make a poll?
 
It was likely a combination of attracting existing FedEx shippers (due to reduced pricing), luring some people away from UPS & DHL, and offering a way for "uncertified" shippers to easily use the service. Roll them up into one big ball, and it would have presented a nice package to the company. On paper, it doesn't matter a whole lot where the individual people came from - Reptster was offering a volume of business, FedEx was willing to offer a price incentive to get it.
 
Hmmmm.. Just noticed an approx. charge for $46 and I wasn't able to ship that day because his shipping label was messed up on the intake barcode, the delivery barcode and everything else appeared fine.. Tried phone calls and emails to anything I had as contact for D. Young, no responses yet.. Am charging back with B of A now..
 
Should read after all the the B.O.I said he did.Big difference.

No, it should not read "after all the B.O.I. said he did." That's not what I said or meant in the least. Maybe in your delusional mind you can ignore the facts presented here...But I won't. :ack2:

He has done nothing but save me money.

The point of the system was to save your customers money, not you. I'm guessing you were one of those that were taking the $10-25 discount and pocketing it instead of giving it to your customers, huh? :shrug01:
 
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The post that Rextiles copied/pasted is from Reptster's forums, I've seen it myself. I think it could support my theory that David first got behind on his FedEx bill & he tried to get FedEx to work with him further about the bill. FedEx probably said; "OK, but you pay full rate until you catch up, and we'll apply refunds towards your bill instead of returning the money to you." Why else would FedEx recently begin refusing to issue refunds? I also don't think FedEx would even dare to violate their previous rate contract
just by upping the rates without a previous breach of contract by Reptster (payment default).

My biggest concern is all the innocent people that have counted on Reptster and have already sold snakes with no way to ship them now. I don't think David planned for all this to happen, but still, his business practices have, and will, hurt a lot of people.

That Site Admin over there that made the statements you quoted has a good head on his shoulders. I've been reading some of is other statements.

You have a valid point and I think a mass email should have gone out notifying everyone ASAP rather than a post the same day the FedEx portal was cut off. We did not know what was going on till just this morning after speaking with David. If it hasn't gone out it should as you just pointed out some people may still not be aware of what has happened and may be making commitments to their customers without even knowing what's going on. I'll see if we can send something out from the forum email listings. If we can't do it from the forum this will need to come from David.
The only option IMHO (speaking for myself here) was for David to have accepted the terms as is and simply eliminated the discounts during this time. We could have handled the communication MUCH better internally and externally and at the very least left the doors open for users to continue shipping, if they chose to even without the discounts. This would at the very least have given those users not certified with FedEx an option to continue to ship with. If possible; I would even go a step further and have continued to offer the discounts to our users at least until UPS became a viable solution and paid the difference out of pocket. I have no idea what that would've cost Reptster and it may be crazy thinking on my part! I agree that the users here should not have been left holding boxes with no way to ship and falling short with their customers nor should they have had to pay for this problem whether it fell on FedEx or Reptster.

You all are customers of Reptster and ultimately Reptster should be accountable to you. At least this is the way I feel and I'm sure David does to. The difference is David pays the bills and we just mod the forums. I can sit here and post what I wish would have happened during this fiasco and best case to have worked this out for the users, but ultimately David is the one that says what can and does happen. David is responsible and knows what is best for Reptster and the business.

I'm not taking shots at David at all and hope no one takes this post as such, but I know things should have been handled differently. I'm sure David has learned from this and will avoid any mistakes made in dealing with FedEx along with any mistakes possibly made by Reptster.
 
Should read after all the the B.O.I said he did.Big difference.He has done nothing but save me money.

Terry, just curious as to how the issue with the UPS "no snakes" clause will affect someone like you who, I assume since your business seems to cater towards breeding/selling snakes, would be needing to ship those snakes? What if Reptster is not able to provide that via UPS as they were through FedEx (since FedEx already agrees to do this if you are a certified shipper on your own)? What are your plans in that situation?
You happen to be the only person so far who has posted that is still using/supporting the Reptster service who could be affected, but the question can and does go out to other people who plan to still use the service once (if) UPS is on board but may not change their company policy.
I ask this not in jest or malice, just very curious as to how this whole situation could affect your relationship with Reptster if you cannot ship snakes through them (as well as other snake breeders/shippers who continue to use the Reptster service).
 

That Site Admin over there that made the statements you quoted has a good head on his shoulders. I've been reading some of is other statements.

Dennis, I agree, Gerry does have a good head on his shoulders from the email contacts I had with him before regarding the forum banning issue. He has high hopes for Reptster, but sees the forest through the trees sometimes. Unlike one of the other forum mods who likes to post here on this site as David's mouthpiece, he remains professional and helpful to people, and does not seem to play the "we are the best ever and have no problems" games that Mr. Kelley likes to play...
Just my 2 cents.
 
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