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[retic88]

It was picked up by a mutual friend, that is a reputable breeder,

Now he starts telling me that the snake was no sick when he gave it to my friend.

i told jim when i sell the retics i have posted i will refund his cash. so far i still have them. as for the so called mutual friend he sure had alot to say about you but i wont say. the so called mutual friend also said there was nothing wrong with that snake. we are also friends and he buys snakes from me and i do the same.

the baytril was only a phone call away...

im not posting anymore about this so you guys/gals have fund talking Shi*. Jim you will get your cash when i sell that snakes. Good Day

 

[retic88]

He's not answering his phone, not returning emails.

Also i had to add..jim you never called me once. if you did why didnt you leave a message??? people on fauna call me all the time about snakes.


email?? i got a new email sence i moved. try going to one of my post and you will see my email addy plain as day. also try emailing me threw fauna and you would be suprised how i recieve them. you didnt try any of this stuff i just said. Good Bye

 

[Utta]

Im not posting anymore about this so you guys/gals have fund talking Shi*. Jim you will get your cash when i sell that snakes. Good Day

Thanks for makin my "do not deal with and avoid at all costs" list

This speaks volumes. And if its a phone call away, your no better then a drug dealer.

 

[Shadera]

Baytril isn't that easy to get your hands on legally. I've got a snake with an RI and very recently had to jump through all those hoops myself with a vet that trusts me. Several years of visits and my showing her I knew what I was doing finally got her to give me a bottle to use for this animal. They didn't have Fortaz on hand to go with it, and even with a Pharmacist husband it was like pulling hen's teeth getting my hands on that stuff.

Unless that snake was already under the care of a veterinarian (which means you knew it was sick), you're prescribing meds without a license. If there is a vet giving you Baytril without seeing the snake, they need to have their license yanked. Baytril isn't the cure-all silver bullet, and can do a lot of damage in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Cultures should always be done with starting antibiotics to see what you're dealing with and which meds it's sensitive to.

An animal is dead, and people are playing doctor. Whether the money's refunded or not, that practice needs to stop.

 

[retic88]

However I've seen where he's buying snakes here on Fauna,

i havent bought any snakes in a good while on fauna so your full of sh*t on that one.

He never questioned the snake being sick, he was more than happy to send the Baytril.

Thats a big lie on that one. i argured with you stating that snake was fine and when i handed it to rick he also agreed that the snake was fine.

More then happy your full of it on that to. you claimed it was so sick and it was near death. i told you to send it back and you refused. you wanted me to pay for a vet so you can get the meds. i told you i can get the meds and you said thats great to send them to you. Delayed?? i sent them the next freaking day you lier.

So I make an appointment to see my exotic vet. He gives the snake her first shot and said to repeat one shot every 3 days.

and you also told me your vet gave you a differnt drug then i sent you. so you mixed 2 different drugs and killed the snake yourself thats even if it was my ball according to someone we both know.

The next week I pick up the ball and it's open mouth breathing.

you told me you picked it up the next day and now it was at ricks for a week??? make up your mind. if rick had it for a week dont you think he would of called me saying the snake was sick????


He warned me about dealing with you and i fell for it just like he said. he straight out said i had sucker written on my forehead. he said you been bugging him for meds for a long time now and he kept telling you NO.

as far as im concerned we are DONE!!!

 

[Utta]

i havent bought any snakes in a good while on fauna so your full of sh*t on that one.



Thats a big lie on that one. i argured with you stating that snake was fine and when i handed it to rick he also agreed that the snake was fine.

More then happy your full of it on that to. you claimed it was so sick and it was near death. i told you to send it back and you refused. you wanted me to pay for a vet so you can get the meds. i told you i can get the meds and you said thats great to send them to you. Delayed?? i sent them the next freaking day you lier.



and you also told me your vet gave you a differnt drug then i sent you. so you mixed 2 different drugs and killed the snake yourself thats even if it was my ball according to someone we both know.



you told me you picked it up the next day and now it was at ricks for a week??? make up your mind. if rick had it for a week dont you think he would of called me saying the snake was sick????


He warned me about dealing with you and i fell for it just like he said. he straight out said i had sucker written on my forehead. he said you been bugging him for meds for a long time now and he kept telling you NO.

as far as im concerned we are DONE!!!

Now look who's full of it... let's see the purchase date of that burm you baught from BenR... I bet it wasn't that long ago....

Oh lookie! http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167985 what a freekin shocker!

 

[Iraqvet]

Thanks for makin my "do not deal with and avoid at all costs" list

This speaks volumes. And if its a phone call away, your no better then a drug dealer.

...Very low class to make this guy wait for his money cause the guy is broke and cant pay him what he is owed...Very bad attitude as well

 

[retic88]

Now look who's full of it... let's see the purchase date of that burm you baught from BenR... I bet it wasn't that long ago....

Oh lookie! http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167985 what a freekin shocker!

i didnt pay for it. it was a gift and im not going to refuse a gift. if someone offers to buy me a snake then hell yea i will take it.


low class cause i dont have any cash? im tring to get his cash. i have alot of snakes posted for sale. cant help it if no one wants to buy. tons of trade offers but need the cash to make jim happy.


i guess pete martinez is really low class cause he owed me cash for a snake for a year now and will not pay up. he post snakes for sale and he buys them on fauna but still wont pay up. some one even offered to give me there snake and pete pays shipping but he coulcnt even do that.


all im saying is jim is lieing alot and does not try to contact me at all. hell if he wanted some snakes to make up for that cash thats fine but he dont even ask.

now im done so Bash Away!!!

 

[retic88]

Now look who's full of it... let's see the purchase date of that burm you baught from BenR... I bet it wasn't that long ago....

Oh lookie! http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167985 what a freekin shocker!

also look at the dates 3/11 i posted i got a new snake. recieved it a few days before. 3/18 jim tells me his snake is dead. like i said i havent got anything sence he told me this.

 

[brd7666]

First of all, I think some of you are to quick to be jumping all over the seller here.

Any chance we can get this Rick guys opinion of the situation? If he knows what he is doing and knows how to examine a snake, then why did he accept the snake in the first place??? The way the OP spoke of this middle man, it sounded like he was educated enough to determine if the snake was healthy. If the snake was as sick as you claim, I think it should have been detected then.


If the OP was comfortable with the middle mans decisioin to accept the snake, then he needs to be held more accountable then some of you seem to think. This was a hand to hand delivery, not a site unseen over the internet. If the middle man thought there was something wrong he should of called the OP and said "what do you want me to do". At that time the OP could have said to refuse the animal and the seller would of had to refund his money. Some people have a policy of all sales in person are final.

Why wait a week before you picked up the snake from Rick? How do you know what the conditions the snake was in during the week in waiting? How do you know it was cared for properly?

If the OP is still willing to give you a partial refund, I think you should be more then happy.

There are two sides to every story, and in this case even a third.

In the case of the baytril, it is a prescription drug, yes. It is also one of the safer antibotics you can use. I knew a vet years ago, and if he knew you then he had know problem giving you the baytril. He even sold it at reptile shows.

I don't know how small of a needle you are refering to here, but it would not take a big needle to do the job on a snake that size. What your experience is with injections is also something we don't know about. But I will tell you with baytril, you want to go in under a scale at an angle right along the side of the back bone in the mussel tissue. You do not want to stick the needle straight into the snake.

In my opinion there are some things here that don't ad up.

 

[DAND]

i guess pete martinez is really low class cause he owed me cash for a snake for a year now and will not pay up. he post snakes for sale and he buys them on fauna but still wont pay up. some one even offered to give me there snake and pete pays shipping but he coulcnt even do that.

So it makes it okay for you to do the same thing you have been "bashing" Pete for? Paul you are a hypocrite.

all im saying is jim is lieing alot and does not try to contact me at all. hell if he wanted some snakes to make up for that cash thats fine but he dont even ask.

Why would he accept another snake from you when the one he purchased died? I certainly wouldn't chance accepting another snake from you nor would I suggest anyone else to accept let alone purchase any snakes from you for the reasons of the one dying and your obvious problems you have in your collection that you can so easily dispense Baytril and last but not least your subsequent "bad guy" attitude you are now (and so easily I may add) displaying.

now im done so Bash Away!!!

So I guess when your mommy and daddy were correcting you when you were a child they too were bashing you? Grow up, quit making the excuses that every other bad guy thread recipient does, man up and pay Jim back in full.

 

[retic88]

First of all, I think some of you are to quick to be jumping all over the seller here.

Any chance we can get this Rick guys opinion of the situation? If he knows what he is doing and knows how to examine a snake, then why did he accept the snake in the first place??? The way the OP spoke of this middle man, it sounded like he was educated enough to determine if the snake was healthy. If the snake was as sick as you claim, I think it should have been detected then.


If the OP was comfortable with the middle mans decisioin to accept the snake, then he needs to be held more accountable then some of you seem to think. This was a hand to hand delivery, not a site unseen over the internet. If the middle man thought there was something wrong he should of called the OP and said "what do you want me to do". At that time the OP could have said to refuse the animal and the seller would of had to refund his money. Some people have a policy of all sales in person are final.

Why wait a week before you picked up the snake from Rick? How do you know what the conditions the snake was in during the week in waiting? How do you know it was cared for properly?

If the OP is still willing to give you a partial refund, I think you should be more then happy.

There are two sides to every story, and in this case even a third.

In the case of the baytril, it is a prescription drug, yes. It is also one of the safer antibotics you can use. I knew a vet years ago, and if he knew you then he had know problem giving you the baytril. He even sold it at reptile shows.

I don't know how small of a needle you are refering to here, but it would not take a big needle to do the job on a snake that size. What your experience is with injections is also something we don't know about. But I will tell you with baytril, you want to go in under a scale at an angle right along the side of the back bone in the mussel tissue. You do not want to stick the needle straight into the snake.

In my opinion there are some things here that don't ad up.

Thank you!!! Rick is a great guy to deal with and knows his Sh*t. like i said he buys animals from me and i buy them from him and we are good friends. he also is my frozen rodent supplier and i have nothing bad to say about the guy. He kicks ass in my book but he told me to just stay away from jim once i told him my ball is dead from what jim said. he also told me he will never be the middle man again with anyone else.


I told jim i would give a 50% refund once the retics sell. if he cant wait till that happens then i guess he dont want a refund at all then. be patiant or dont bother me or post this crap

 

[Utta]

So it makes it okay for you to do the same thing you have been "bashing" Pete for? Paul you are a hypocrite.



Why would he accept another snake from you when the one he purchased died? I certainly wouldn't chance accepting another snake from you nor would I suggest anyone else to accept let alone purchase any snakes from you for the reasons of the one dying and your obvious problems you have in your collection that you can so easily dispense Baytril and last but not least your subsequent "bad guy" attitude you are now (and so easily I may add) displaying.



So I guess when your mommy and daddy were correcting you when you were a child they too were bashing you? Grow up, quit making the excuses that every other bad guy thread recipient does, man up and pay Jim back in full.

Dave chimed in, so I'm out. He makes better points then me

 

[DAND]

I told jim i would give a 50% refund once the retics sell. if he cant wait till that happens then i guess he dont want a refund at all then. be patiant or dont bother me or post this crap

The only crap here thus far is your attitude. That and your obvious word:

im not posting anymore about this so you guys/gals have fund talking Shi*.

That was 6 posts ago.

now im done so Bash Away!!!

And two posts ago.

 

[retic88]

So I guess when your mommy and daddy were correcting you when you were a child they too were bashing you? Grow up, quit making the excuses that every other bad guy thread recipient does, man up and pay Jim back in full.

Dave that was out of line. you shouldnt talk about peoples parents or even if they have Parents at all. Not cool at all.

 

[Utta]

Dave that was out of line. you shouldnt talk about peoples parents or even if they have Parents at all. Not cool at all.

Neither is selling sick animals

 

[DAND]

Dave that was out of line. you shouldnt talk about peoples parents or even if they have Parents at all. Not cool at all.

Good God, are you reading the ed clark book of diversion or are you just that clueless? Fine, replace "your mommy and daddy" with your neighbor, your nanny, your foster parents, your teacher, your preacher or your gay boy scout leader or whatever I don't care. It was an attempt to get a point across that obviously went over your head.

 

[retic88]

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In the case of the baytril, it is a prescription drug, yes. It is also one of the safer antibotics you can use. I knew a vet years ago, and if he knew you then he had know problem giving you the baytril. He even sold it at reptile shows.

Thats how it is for me. its really easy to get ahold of but doesnt mean my collection or animals need it.

now look at the pic in my post of the ball http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164171


the weight of the snake is 1072 grams. i fed the snake real good before jim recieved it. when i asked him for the weight of the snake then so i can get him the correct amount of meds he told me it was 1190. now how does a ball gain over 100 grams of weight if its so sick near death??? anyone knows if a snake is truley that sick it will not eat at all.

 

[hhmoore]

The buyer and seller seem to have different memories of how things transpired. I don't know Paul (or the OP); but you can bet that if I had a "reputable breeder" pick up a snake for me, I would expect prompt notification that the snake was sick...and that's assuming that there was a simple exchange & the person never looked over the snake (if a "reputable breeder" actually inspected it, and found it to have a severe infection, I would hope my money would not leave his hands...at least not without him contacting me for approval).

OP - I'm hesitant to comment on your version of what the vet told you, because I'm hoping you just screwed it up.

Both of you are referencing an anonymous third party's comments - somebody needs to identify him...better yet, have him post his version of things. (I may regret that if we then have 3 different stories, lol)



now to go back to reading

 

[hhmoore]

How about a picture of the dead snake, for confirmation?
Did you take pics of the snake when you picked it up, to show it was sick?

Post 'em up.