Bad Guy Richard Gary Williams (roach 75) Mites Come Free!!!

[reticguy76]

sounds to me like both parties are just done with all this

 

[rcpreis3]

It seems that way and i didnt wanna stir the bees nest, but i wass looking for others who have had good transaction with him, especially since this incident. But after reading this i couldnt help but comment my opinion and how it seems no matter how many good this guy has done people blew thing out of proportion, imho, over one mishap which he wasnt the best at handling due to his timing, but by far wasnt the worse. I just cant stand whem people break out the pitchforks and start crucifying with the limited information and evidence provided by the op. Yea it sucks to get mites, but itisnt the end of the world, and ive said it plenty of times, i think he tried his best to handle it given the attitude of the customer.

 

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rcpreis3,

I'm not sure why you posted asking for advice about Richard since you already seem to have already made up your mind. I think your just looking for trouble. LOL. I don't think your doing Richard any favors by brining it up IMO. I was givin a late refund for the late shipping and mite treatment and that's it. I turned down the free snake for two reasons 1st I'm not someone who takes advantage of a situation and 2nd I didn't trust the health of the snake. If you consider mites to be common then you may need to reevaluate your health program. Mites can carry diseases and are easy to keep out of a collection so there is no reason anyone should be shipping out infested snakes. The three snakes I got from Richard are doing great now, eating fine and luckly the mites didn't spread to my main collection. The spider did end up laying a clutch which was a pleasant surprise!!! I hatch out four babies. I feel Richard and I have both learned from the experience, I feel the outcome turned out ok considering it could have turned out a lot worse. Would I buy from him again? No because I'm not willing to take the chance of getting exposed again but you have ever right to buy from him. Good Luck.

 

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On another note its not that hard to treat for mites, it took me a whole 30 mins to take care of one snake. If she had to treat her entire collection because of this, shame on her for not educating herself on PROPER quarintine techniques.

I treated my entire collection to be on the safe side. I did have a quarantine room and rack but someone told me mites can travel in the air via the furnace.

 

[rcpreis3]

I aint looking to cause no trouble, but as u mentioned we have every right to share our opinions here. Ive honestly gone a year and a half before i made a boi badguy thread, how long did u wait? Im sorry u got mites but as hobbyists its our responsiblity to make sure were ready for the possibilities and know how to properly do things. So ur fault not researching the pages and pages of good quarintine tips here and many other forums before u decided to buy snakes. Also didnt u mention u went on a spending spree and got all sorts of animals? How can we be sure u got them from Rich? You showed no shipping label, no pics of the snakes themselves with mites, just empty bags with black specs. Had u got them from me i would require a vet diagnosis, and if im in the wrong i handle all costs.

Just like u implied without a doubt he intentionally sent u mites with no real proof of it being intentional, i could speculate u set him up cuz u got them from a bigger breeder u couldnt easily take down in the boi so u framed the lil guy. Now do i think thats tru? No, i havent seen a rep like that from u and that is just a random thing i can use to compare the situation. You just had no paitience at all and ur unforgiving which implies to me ur selfish and care only for urself. Its not like he gave u the runaround for any ridiculous amount of time, u just have a short fuse. I dunno what his situation was as its none of my business, but life gets in the way of alot and this should be considered before we hit up the ole shack for tourches and pitchforks.

It seems to me that u made ur mind up he was a horrible monster before he had too much of a chance to explain anything to u and only gave a few hours on the day he got paid. I mean really, give the man time to cash the check before u cry about not being paid that instant. So it bounced on the 2nd? Usually any check deposited takes a day or two to clear and then if its being transferred from bank to paypal that also can take a couple days. So really u didnt research the time it takes for the funds to transfer. Im in the middle of waiting a couple months for a refund pf my own. I try to keep in touch and make sure all is good. If it goes sour i bring it here, but its dam sure the last i wanna do and try to aviod the boi at all costs. My fuse has about another week on it. This started in August, with agreed circumstances for late Octoberish. By mid November id like to see sumthin. U seem like u wanted to post something in here just to do it.

I see mites as bad as mosquitos, and i aint raising hell with the state parks for not spraying, i bring my own repellent. Its not as bad as u made it out to be and there is much worse. Be glad it was mites and not IBD. The way u were acting i thought they were all dying in battery acid.

 

[reticguy76]

its all about perception. i generally dont pay hundreds of dollars to go to any park, and misquitos are something that is in the environment and you knowingly go out in that environment. mites are a skin attatched parasite that can and should be prevented and a snake has no defense against them, we have defense against misquitos. snakes (and all pets) rely on us solely as their caretaker in all aspects, from proper microenvironment to proper feeding to proper handling and so on.
misquitos to us are a complete 180 from mites/tics on snakes and other animals

now, all that being said, if mulitple animals are being purchased in a short amount of time, it is hard (unless proper documentation is being made with each purchase and arrival) to pin point where parasites or other contagious diseases truly come from

 

[rcpreis3]

Oh and on the behind bars with child molester comment. Are u seriously comparing parasitic insects ( or wait are they arachnids...) no worse than fleas on our dogs and mosquitos on us, to a child being mentally scarred for the entirety of their lives? ARE U FREAKING KIDDING ME!?!?!?! U need a therapist to evaluate u. Thats all i gotta say on that.

 

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rcpreis3,

I was in the hobby around six months or so before I posted a bad guy thread. But I'm not sure why that would matter? I have bought from around 20 different breeders and never had a problem. How do I know Rich sent me snake covered mites? LOL. Well because as soon as I opened the snake bags mites were crawling everywhere. You couldn't miss seeing the mites. That's the problem they were sent with a extremely noticeable outbreak!!! Richard also confirmed he found mites in the tub of the calico he sent me. So how's that for proof!!! And yes I did buy many snakes and I have several quarantine racks and they all are in separate rooms, but none of them had any problems and were not around these snakes. I am a master at quarantine. Also Richards snakes came straight out of the shipping box covered in mites. But as I already stated Richard admitted mites at his house. So why do I need any more proof that that and the pics I took? LOL. You compare mites to mosquitoes? Yeah I would recommend for everyone to steer clear of your collection. The refund bounced (IT WAS A HOT E CHECK) I'm still not sure if the money I finally got was from PAYPAL or Richard because PayPal told me that they would refund me even if they never get money from Richard. It's very unprofessional to send hot refunds and if you think that's fine than your morals are much different than mine.

 

[reticguy76]

i assume that wasnt in reference to my post(s)

and flease, ticks, mites and misquitos all carry some nasty transmittable stuff (some zoonotic) to each of their "victims"

of course, not as bad as being locked up with a child molester. i must have missed that post
haha

 

[reticguy76]

interesting twist with the refund

 

[rcpreis3]

its all about perception. i generally dont pay hundreds of dollars to go to any park, and misquitos are something that is in the environment and you knowingly go out in that environment. mites are a skin attatched parasite that can and should be prevented and a snake has no defense against them, we have defense against misquitos. snakes (and all pets) rely on us solely as their caretaker in all aspects, from proper microenvironment to proper feeding to proper handling and so on.
misquitos to us are a complete 180 from mites/tics on snakes and other animals

now, all that being said, if mulitple animals are being purchased in a short amount of time, it is hard (unless proper documentation is being made with each purchase and arrival) to pin point where parasites or other contagious diseases truly come from

Ok i see ur point on the mosquitos,but still Rich doesnt have a history with lying, cheating, or stealing on here, and if he said he didnt see mites we have no reason not believe him. Its possible that shipping day was the time the mites were set to hatch by nature and crap happens. Am i 100% on that, no. And if Rich had a shady history id call him on it. And we'd be on a whole different disscussion. But besides this he doesnt really have much info, and I myself have had a few good transactions and not one good guy thread for me yet. Thats why i was looking for some current references, with an open ear to his previous rep.

 

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i assume that wasnt in reference to my post(s)

and flease, ticks, mites and misquitos all carry some nasty transmittable stuff (some zoonotic) to each of their "victims"

of course, not as bad as being locked up with a child molester. i must have missed that post
haha

I wasn't me that compared him to a child molestor, another guy did. LOL.

 

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interesting twist with the refund

No twist... it's common knowledge I got refunded for mite treatment and late shipping cost, nothing more and nothing less.

 

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Its possible that shipping day was the time the mites were set to hatch by nature and crap happens.

Nope that's not what happened. There were all different life stages of mites.

 

[reticguy76]

i guess i meant the the refund that should have been (from the seller) bounced or didnt clear or whatever.

 

[rcpreis3]

He belongs behind bars wit child molesters!!!!!

This was the child molester comment, quoting on my phone is a pain and I just now got on my computer.

rcpreis3,

I was in the hobby around six months or so before I posted a bad guy thread. But I'm not sure why that would matter?

It doesnt matter to me how long u were in the hobby, I was interested in how long u waited from the time it went sour til the time u posted this thread.

[/QUOTE] I have bought from around 20 different breeders and never had a problem. How do I know Rich sent me snake covered mites? LOL. Well because as soon as I opened the snake bags mites were crawling everywhere. You couldn't miss seeing the mites. That's the problem they were sent with a extremely noticeable outbreak!!! Richard also confirmed he found mites in the tub of the calico he sent me. So how's that for proof!!! [/QUOTE]

What proof? Your word isnt proof he knew about them before hand. Thats just him admitting to the fact the calico tub had mites after you recieved it. Yes shame on him for not thouroghly checking, but it doesnt make him a lying scammer out to get you.

[/QUOTE] And yes I did buy many snakes and I have several quarantine racks and they all are in separate rooms, but none of them had any problems and were not around these snakes. I am a master at quarantine. [/QUOTE]

Really? Then explain to me oh mistress how you didnt know parasites and viruses can be carried through the air circulation?

[/QUOTE]Also Richards snakes came straight out of the shipping box covered in mites. But as I already stated Richard admitted mites at his house. So why do I need any more proof that that and the pics I took? LOL. [/QUOTE]

You took pics of bags with mites, and provided no information as to where they came from. All this before he got back to you. So at that point no one knew he had mites in the calico tub. The only reason we do is because he admitted to it once he found it and he gets a cool point from me for not trying to dodge it, or blame something else.

[/QUOTE]You compare mites to mosquitoes? Yeah I would recommend for everyone to steer clear of your collection.[/QUOTE]

You've never seen my collection. So here u go with assumptions again. Didnt I just mention I recently bought a girl with mites and Im taking care of it? Just the fact im handling the issue myself and not raising all hell about it shows Im much more patient than you. I called the guy to tell him it had mites just so he can treat his store and didnt expect nothing from it. Didnt cry and throw a fit either. Next time I went in there not only did I see employees spraying PAM, but I get a decent discount on my rats from there now. Did I have to raise hell? No...

(Just to avoid third party quotations it was Scales n Tails on Nova rd off Flomich Ave here locally.)

[/QUOTE]The refund bounced (IT WAS A HOT E CHECK) I'm still not sure if the money I finally got was from PAYPAL or Richard because PayPal told me that they would refund me even if they never get money from Richard. It's very unprofessional to send hot refunds and if you think that's fine than your morals are much different than mine.[/QUOTE]

So here your not even sure how the funds got to you, but still assume it was PayPal and drag Rich through the mud? (to be honest I dont understand what a Hot e check is? I dont deal with paypal and only use and accept Postal MOs, and no bank MOs are not acceptable. And of course cash if local. Postal MOs are trackable. Paypal has had some ridiculous buyers remorse threads here in the BOI)

And yes I can see our morals are quite different.

 

[rcpreis3]

Nope that's not what happened. There were all different life stages of mites.

Wheres your proof, are you a vet?

 

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Wheres your proof, are you a vet?

Nope not a vet however my Vet wants me to work for him and has offered me a job. I just have eyes and common sense so I can tell the differences in life stages.

 

[rcpreis3]

Yes you are right... many breeders want the snake returned before any refund is issued and for good cause since there are many buyers that are scammers however many breeders are also scammers and they are well aware of this "send back or no refund" practice so these unethical breeders are more than willing to ship sick snakes knowing the buyer will take pity on the snakes and probably won't send them back because of shipping cost or due to being scared the snake will die in transit. I don't like any buyer or seller that takes advantage of anyone but I have a feeling the buyer got screwed over on this one.

So judging by this Rich should be considered decent by your book because he was willing to offer a refund with no need to ship back, but still offered the option incase that was better suited for you. He obviously didnt take advantage of you.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1362059#post1362059

Your asking him a catch-22 question. If this person sent a sick snake covered in mites why would anyone trust them to refund the money when it was sent back? I sure wouldn't trust them.

This supports me even more, he didnt require it to be shipped back and still was wiling to give atleast a partial refund and a whole other high end combo. So based on the above you shoulda trusted him. Your words not mine. His refund was late by two weeks, and shame on him, but he sure didnt BS u with an excuse either.

So judging by these comments its ok if this scenario happened to someone else, but when it happens to you he has no chance of being good.

Good job.

 

[rcpreis3]

Im not sure if I made my point clear in the last post, but just to be blunt, what u said in those quotes sure didnt show in this thread.