Rick Sisco - Sisco Reptiles

[DaveyFig]

Also, I paid for a Chacoan Tegu, then learned that Rick was just calling his White Heads Chacoans, therefore I received a White Headed Tegu, not what I originally wanted. I was very disappointed in the whole ordeal and won't be purchasing from Rick again.

-Katie

I don't see the word Giant anywhere in there.

This is what she paid for:

However, Rick does not have any of these at all and sent her a normal Argentine tegu. His tegus are not Chacoan Giants, and were being sold as just that.

This is his adult tegus, note the size difference, there is nothing Giant about them, the one on the left is the one he is calling a Chacoan Giant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz5mvOpCnvI

I will also add, at one time years ago Ron did call white heads Chacoan, but he changed that long ago. He calls the ones Rick claims are Chacoan as normal white heads now and has for a long time.

Click on the blue White head link on this page:

http://www.bluetegu.com/merianae.html

I am just curious as to who clued her into the "fact" that her animal is not Chacoan. She thought she was buying a Chacoan. Rick thinks he sold her Chacoan. Bobby thinks she was buying a Chacoan Giant, and now she is convinced that she doesn't have a Chacoan at all. ::shrugs::
Someone must have told her that it wasn't Chacoan. How would that someone know? I can't help but think that if she hadn't been told it wasn't Chacoan that she wouldn't have posted, and this wouldn't have blown up like it did.

 

[snake5007]

This is pretty simple to resolve.. well, all but the jumbled up personal crap, which doesn't really need to be resolved anyways, I would no longer trust Bobby anyways.. You saw in his own post that I tried to resolve it from the begining, but he was not interested. A true friend would indeed try to give a true friend a chance to redeem himself. The fact is Bobby and I don't get along any more. This has escalated from the actual issue posted to this BOI, the issue I resolved with the customer and should never have even been brought here.

But as stated.. This is pretty simple to resolve.

I can not prove my chacoans were imported originally from Chaco. As such, even though I purchased them as chacoans, and even thought I honestly believe them to be chacoans.. I decided to drop the 'term' chacoans and sell them as "white heads". Was this dishonest of me? No, I sold tegus for what they were, I just now decide to avoid future issues by removing the name.

All Bobby needs to do is prove his were imported from chaco, or stop using the chacoan name.

Correct?

Rick

Bobby calls his giants. That was explained a while back. Did you decide to drop the Chacoan name because of this thread?

 

[SiscoReptiles]

Rick, size does matter, is a poodle a great dane? they are both dogs, just as these are both tegus. I could feed you tegus to my Giants, lets see those giants you have Rick.

Again, you have analcranal disease man.. Listen.. I will type real slow..

Chaco is a R E G I O N, as such, Chacoan tegus are R E G I O N A L.. Not genetic, not relating to S I Z E or C O L O R.

I never claimed the 4 tegus you obtained as adults were not large. You had nothing to do with that. You merely purchased them. Some of the yearling you produced last year are not only ugly, but smaller than a typical tegu, even though they were never hibernated. Of course, you claim they were "starved", but that's fine. I don't expect the truth from you. For all we know, your tegus could be large merely because they are 15+ years old.

I don't know if you were born thick or just learned the trait. If I called my tegus "Giants" or "larger than yours" you could try to corner me, but that's not the point. Prove that your tegu was imported from Chaco or Prove that all tegus in Chaco are 5+ foot?

Rick Sisco

 

[varnyard]

SiscoReptiles: Your chacoans would eat mine, merely because mine are tame and yours are mean as hell, right? You were called on the 'dog tame' bluff this summer by a few customers of yours. You even had to replace one of the mean ass things.

Yours are tame, J&J reptiles sold one of yours right here not long ago for $35.00 because it was mean as hell, you want to see the screen shot?

I take it you have proof of this exchange I made, no it is a lie. However I did replace one of your mean runts. I gave Arie a much higher priced Red for your itty bitty normal. She was not happy with yours because it was very mean and you knew it but did not try to make it right.

This is one of my killers, LMAO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrDRoNyf8xk

But do post proof about the exchange I had to make, or let it stand as more proof of your lies.

Also Wolfy talked to me on the phone in tears about getting two males from you, I offered her a female red as well at no extra charge. Is that not true Wolfy?

 

[varnyard]

Show the ones like mine you claim you have, and do not try to post a cross like the jowl picture you are using. That tegu is not like mine, lets see the silver and cream like mine. I would bet that is the Red x Black n white you bought from bert.

You do not have these, and you know it.

 

[SiscoReptiles]

Bobby calls his giants. That was explained a while back. Did you decide to drop the Chacoan name because of this thread?

No, I dropped the chacoan name almost 6 to 8 months ago to avoid future conflict like this. It wasn't a drastic change like it seems either. Ron called them..

"White heads" and "chacoans"

I just use the 'white heads' name becaise it's less confusing and more descriptive, as well as the fact that I can not prove that mine came from Chaco.

Why did Bobby change his from Chacoans to "Extreme Giants" though?

Rick Sisco

 

[harveysherps]

You know guys scientifically there hasn't been enough research done to really prove anyone right or wrong. There is a Huge difference in Bobby's Giants. Why don't y'all submit DNA samples and see what comes of it. That is the only way anyone will ever know. People like Bobby are the reason we can be more informed about the Tegu species. He is a proven breeder of Tegus. I am more willing to accept his opinions about his Tegus. My opinion is starting to sound like a broke record. So I will make this my last post.Right or Wrong I tend to beleive Bobby over you no problem. I appreciate the chance to back a friend that has taken up for me no matter what. I respect Bobby tremendously. I have read artilces and posts he has made all over the net. You don't get the recognition he has for nothing. Sorry but this is one future tegu owner that will skip you right on by.

 

[varnyard]

SiscoReptiles: I never claimed the 4 tegus you obtained as adults were not large. You had nothing to do with that. You merely purchased them. Some of the yearling you produced last year are not only ugly, but smaller than a typical tegu, even though they were never hibernated. Of course, you claim they were "starved", but that's fine. I don't expect the truth from you. For all we know, your tegus could be large merely because they are 15+ years old.

See, yet another lie, tegus mature at 3 years old, they do not keep growing for 15 years, they are not constrictors. I have normal 3 year olds that are 4ft, if that was the case they would grow 10 feet long at 6 years old. But do keep trying Rick, lies will not get you any where.

 

[CurtisF]

Right or Wrong I tend to beleive Bobby over you no problem.

Exactly.

 

[Wolfy-hound]

The truth is that when I believed I got two RED tegus from Rick that were supposed to be a pair, it looked as if the one I thought was a female started to show itself as a MALE, and the OTHER TEGU is the FEMALE. It is still a pair, although I was upset at the time.
Bobby told me he would FIND me a red female and SELL it to me, and NEVER mentioned anything about "no charge", in fact he said he would offer me "a deal".
AND since you brought it up, YOUR male arg B&W you sold me as a male is in fact a FEMALE, and has bred to prove it, AND is meaner than both reds put together.
I'm still waiting for your proof that I ever said mine was a giant too, since you implied I claimed mine was(despite my tegu being produced BY you).

 

[Ameivaboy]

This is retarded.
Rick and Bobby you both know I have been on the sidelines through out a lot of this and was very much involved in getting the girl heated about her tegu (as for the previous poster asking who clued her in, I did.)
But the fact of the matter is this, I was wrong in telling her that the animal she got was not a Chacoan. Not because Rick banned me from his site after I did so but because no one can prove where their tegus come from. Plain and simple, there are NO PROVEN CHACOANS IN CAPTIVITY. True Bobby's tegus are much different from the normal merinae which are on the market. The difference in size and appearence could prove to be locality based (such as umm the chaco plains??) but it is not proven.
The point is, No one should call their tegus Chacoans, and the both of you need to grow the fuck up. It's really just getting old.

Kevin Luzzi
aka
Sick of This Shit

 

[varnyard]

No, I dropped the chacoan name almost 6 to 8 months ago to avoid future conflict like this. It wasn't a drastic change like it seems either. Ron called them..

"White heads" and "chacoans"

I just use the 'white heads' name becaise it's less confusing and more descriptive, as well as the fact that I can not prove that mine came from Chaco.

Why did Bobby change his from Chacoans to "Extreme Giants" though?

Rick Sisco

You don't know Rick? It was because I got tired of you claiming to have the same animals as mine. You sponged off of them ever since I got them.

Yours are not mine, and there is nothing that says yours are even close. But do tell me, how much white does a tegu need to have before they are your so called Chacoans, just a litte white, 1/2 white, 3/4 white? You tell me, they range from black to white, where does it change from normals to Chacoan morphs?

 

[CurtisF]

My post got cut off..., apologies.

Exactly what I don't get, Wes. Right or wrong? Really?

 

[SiscoReptiles]

Yours are tame, J&J reptiles sold one of yours right here not long ago for $35.00 because it was mean as hell, you want to see the screen shot?

JnJ Reptiles happen to be very good people. They purchased one of my tame baby tegus and my only assumption is that with their business booming the way it has been, they probably sold it due to lack of time, which would explain why it was no longer tame. Even a tame tegu hatchling that isn't socialized can become nervous and skittish. I wouldn't claim to know what the deal is, I would have to email them and find out.

I take it you have proof of this exchange I made, no it is a lie.

So, you are gonna get yourself in hot water with that lie Bobby, I may not have recordings of our phone call, but there are others who heard you make the statement that you sent out a bunch of chacoan tegus to those who only ordered normal argentines last season, and that at least one girl was making you drive out to meet here while you were in daytona, but you refused because it was the wrong direction so you shipped it to her instead. Even some of the people in your chatroom heard those comments, and now when they read you deny it now, it will be one more nail in your coffin man.

However I did replace one of your mean runts. I gave Arie a much higher priced Red for your itty bitty normal. She was not happy with yours because it was very mean and you knew it but did not try to make it right.

Arie did not contact me with issues concerning a mean tegu. You offered her a trade and I didn't hear about any issue she may have had until after that or I would have replaced the tegu with no issue.

Also Wolfy talked to me on the phone in tears about getting two males from you, I offered her a female red as well at no extra charge. Is that not true Wolfy?

Why would wolfy call you and cry for on the phone with you? You just stated that wolfy never even liked you? Come on Bobby.. that's another nail in the box. By the way, Wolfy purchased 1.1 reds from me. You are the one who told her that both were males by visually looking at photos of tegu hatchlings. That is not a science Bobby.. and it proved you wrong because now that they are both adults.. One has jowls and spurs, the other doesn't. One is male, one is female.. You were wrong again, bro.

You are still grasping and everyone reading this can see it.. Keep going man. You keep skirting the one true issue. Can YOU prove your tegus were imported from Chaco? NO! You can not. You can twist turns and leap left and right.. the scope is still on you.. Prove that your chacoans are from Chaco or stop calling them Chacoans!

Rick Sisco

 

[varnyard]

The truth is that when I believed I got two RED tegus from Rick that were supposed to be a pair, it looked as if the one I thought was a female started to show itself as a MALE, and the OTHER TEGU is the FEMALE. It is still a pair, although I was upset at the time.
Bobby told me he would FIND me a red female and SELL it to me, and NEVER mentioned anything about "no charge", in fact he said he would offer me "a deal".
AND since you brought it up, YOUR male arg B&W you sold me as a male is in fact a FEMALE, and has bred to prove it, AND is meaner than both reds put together.
I'm still waiting for your proof that I ever said mine was a giant too, since you implied I claimed mine was(despite my tegu being produced BY you).

As for the Black n White, you told me it was tame until you went out of town and someone else was caring for your animals. You told me that when you got back home it was acting mean. We both know that tegus can build trust, but that trust can also be broken. If it was tame when you left and mean when you came back, then what happen while you were gone to cause this tegu to loose trust in people. They are not stupid, and they do not forget, if they are mistreated they will loose the trust.

I never said yours, I was talking about Rick's jowl pic.

No Wolfy, I said I would trade them out, and you said you did not want to trade them because you were attached to them, then I told you I would try to find you a female. That is the truth.

 

[SiscoReptiles]

Ok, to set the record straight for anyone who may be confused. Look at my website. Read my posts. Never, ever did I say my tegus were "Chacoan Giants", that is Bobby's little fraud, not mine.

Never did I say my Chacoans/White Heads look like Bobbys. Nor would I want them to look like Bobbys. My tegus are not as large. Mine white heads average 3.5 to 4.5 feet. Mine are also lighter colored than Bobbys. One person purchased one of Bobby's chacoans and one of mine. They claimed hands down that Bobby's was larger than mine, but that mine was whiter, prettier and much tamer. I would rather that remain the case.

Now back to the same damn point that Bobby can't get.. It's a CHACOAN if its from CHACO. Bobby needs to drop the chacoan name or prove where it originated.

Rick Sisco

 

[varnyard]

As for Wolfy, I did not say from her birth until now, it was after your stunts that she disliked me.

So, you are gonna get yourself in hot water with that lie Bobby, I may not have recordings of our phone call, but there are others who heard you make the statement that you sent out a bunch of chacoan tegus to those who only ordered normal argentines last season, and that at least one girl was making you drive out to meet here while you were in daytona, but you refused because it was the wrong direction so you shipped it to her instead. Even some of the people in your chatroom heard those comments, and now when they read you deny it now, it will be one more nail in your coffin man.

Lie!! I did not ship her a tegu, and there was never an exchange. She still has that tegu and is very happy, it is very tame. That tegu got loose in her yard for about one month, of course it was not tame after she caught it, it had been running wild and I offered to trade it out. But it is tame now, and she is very happy with her tame tegu.

Digging a hole Rick? I think not.

 

[SiscoReptiles]

I never said yours, I was talking about Rick's jowl pic.

By the way Bobby, just for the record. That jowl pic that fits your V neck description and the nice shades of peach on the side. That's not a chacoan or a normal argentine. That is actually a red cross.

Rick Sisco

 

[Wolfy-hound]

That's not truth.
If it was only the trip out of town, then why are the reds nice, and yours not? The same people took care of them. And yours was acting up PRIOR to the trip, all three acted up just after the trip, and YOURS is still mean.
You said ON THIS THREAD, you offered to give me a red female at "no charge" and now that I've said the truth, NOW you say you offered to "trade them out".
Which is the lie? I gave ONE version. You've given two. You offered to find me a red female, and sell it to me. And your male is still a female, and I'm still waiting to see your proof of where I claimed to have a giant, since you implied I claimed mine was a giant.

 

[varnyard]

Ok, to set the record straight for anyone who may be confused. Look at my website. Read my posts. Never, ever did I say my tegus were "Chacoan Giants", that is Bobby's little fraud, not mine.

Never did I say my Chacoans/White Heads look like Bobbys. Nor would I want them to look like Bobbys. My tegus are not as large. Mine white heads average 3.5 to 4.5 feet. Mine are also lighter colored than Bobbys. One person purchased one of Bobby's chacoans and one of mine. They claimed hands down that Bobby's was larger than mine, but that mine was whiter, prettier and much tamer. I would rather that remain the case.

Now back to the same damn point that Bobby can't get.. It's a CHACOAN if its from CHACO. Bobby needs to drop the chacoan name or prove where it originated.

Rick Sisco

Well prove your ball pythons are from Africa? You got the papers?