Rick Sisco - Sisco Reptiles

[DaveyFig]

Oh man.
Here is my take on the this. Bobby posted a huge mother of a tegu along with egg size comparision and hatchling photos.
The hatchling photos are where I think Bobby has the real Chacoan and Rick has the so called "normal" tegus.
Normal Argentine tegu's have green heads when they hatch (just like the ones Rick posted photos of) BUT Bobby posted photos of ones WITHOUT green heads as hatchlings. I may be off base but, to me, that shows that these are 2 seperate types of tegus.

The hatchling photos (even if they were pics of hatchlings) don't prove that the animals are Chacoan, just that they are different. You know balls, pretty well so I will use them in an example. Let's say you import a 7 ft ball python from Ghana. It's the biggest ball you have ever seen, and she lays HUGE eggs. You start calling them "Ghana Giants". Now, sure, she is a giant, and she is from Ghana. Does that mean that every ball from Ghana has to be giant? Does it mean that everyone who has smaller snakes from the same region is a liar when they say they came from there? Would you ask them to prove that their animals came from there? If your female had a butterfly shaped patch of scales on her belly, would you tell everyone that had a Ghana ball that didn't have the patch that they have to prove theirs came from Ghana?
Bobby may have real Giants, but he can no more prove that his are the only true Chacoans , than he can prove Rick's aren't. If Bobby can say without a doubt that Rick's aren't Chacoan, then you would think he could provide proof that his in fact are. People tend to have more information about snakes they have than about those others have. Pictures don't prove locality, and coming from South America, I would say neither would paperwork. Bobby's are Giants. Maybe even Chacoan Giants. That doesn't mean that Rick's aren't Chacoan average.

 

[SiscoReptiles]

I am on the ball. The same one Bobby is on.

Be careful, I was once on the same ball as Bobby.. Doesn't seem to be much room on there.

Rick Sisco

 

[Gecko_Den]

SPJ,



This went on and on and on for weeks until members of that site claimed the whole things made us both look like children.

It took less than a day here...

 

[SiscoReptiles]

The hatchling photos (even if they were pics of hatchlings) don't prove that the animals are Chacoan, just that they are different. You know balls, pretty well so I will use them in an example. Let's say you import a 7 ft ball python from Ghana. It's the biggest ball you have ever seen, and she lays HUGE eggs. You start calling them "Ghana Giants". Now, sure, she is a giant, and she is from Ghana. Does that mean that every ball from Ghana has to be giant? Does it mean that everyone who has smaller snakes from the same region is a liar when they say they came from there? Would you ask them to prove that their animals came from there? If your female had a butterfly shaped patch of scales on her belly, would you tell everyone that had a Ghana ball that didn't have the patch that they have to prove theirs came from Ghana?
Bobby may have real Giants, but he can no more prove that his are the only true Chacoans , than he can prove Rick's aren't. If Bobby can say without a doubt that Rick's aren't Chacoan, then you would think he could provide proof that his in fact are. People tend to have more information about snakes they have than about those others have. Pictures don't prove locality, and coming from South America, I would say neither would paperwork. Bobby's are Giants. Maybe even Chacoan Giants. That doesn't mean that Rick's aren't Chacoan average.

Right on the nose, man..

Rick Sisco

 

[SiscoReptiles]

It took less than a day here...

Thank God! I wouldn't be able to post much tomorrow. I need to go pick up my wife at the hospitol. (Minor operation, She is doing fine)

Rick Sisco

 

[DaveyFig]

If Bobby is the only one producing Giants, and if a Tegu has to be a Giant to be from Chaco, is it safe to assume that Bobby has the only Tegus ever imported from Chaco? If there were only a couple of them, they must be pretty rare. If they are that rare it must have been expensive to get them here. If they are that rare, I would think there would be a paper trail. MAYBE Chacoans aren't that rare, and a couple of big bastards rode in on a shipment full of regular Chacoans!

 

[Wolfy-hound]

Oh? Wes, BOBBY is the one trying to claim he didn't solicit members of Rick's site to join Bobby's new site, and I just pointed out he did indeed. So have other people.
Hey look. That means Bobby lied, unless you think he "forgot" that he asked multiple members of Rick's site to join his site.
AND in Rick's own chatroom too.
THAT'S how it's relevant. So I'll wait while you think up some other way that Bobby still isn't in the wrong at all.

 

[varnyard]

So according to what I copied from Ron St. Pierre's site, the white head is just a color morph, sort of a "high white" T. merianae?

Really there is no morph Argentines, the colors range for high white to very dark and all the shades in between. Rick needs to answer at what point of the shade they become Chacoan? So black to white, where does it change to a morph Chacoan white head Rick?

Yes you can breed for higher white, but it does not make them a morph.

And Rick, do show the juvy/sub-adults you have like mine, you claim yours are the same, show the proof. Lets see those creamy silver babies.

Rick, you once again are stretching the truth, all of my Giants have the V, that is not to say that there are no normals with it, they are like dogs, they can have different patterns and markings. The same is true with the loreal scales, Colombians have one and Argentines have two, however some Argentines only have one, as well as I am sure there are Colombians with two. As a rule, yes, but not always the case.

As for the orange, mine are not orange, and you are trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes here, you know good and well some tegus that are normal have bright orange bellies.

This is a normal belly, also from one of the darkest normals I have:

See, Rick has a tegu site and claims to be a breeder, but no pictures like this?

Why would he not take pictures? He has pictures of everything else, as well as videos.

He is trying to fool this board with his games, he is digging to try to find a way out.

As for Davey, you are correct, that is just it, he claims his are exactly like mine. Hell mine would eat his little tegus, but he claims his are Chacoan giants. His so called Chacoans are not even as big as my normals.

 

[SiscoReptiles]

I see Bobby is still logged in a viewing, but no longer answering questions, but I still would like one answered by Bobby...

You stole the name "chacoan" from Ron, you modified his description to fit your animals. You added the huge size as adult, the solid "V" under the neck that only chacoans have, the peachy color..

So, Is this one of your "chacoans"? Or does it prove that your "indicators" are false?

Rick Sisco

 

[scotty77327]

Here's your answer Rick

Rick, you once again are stretching the truth, all of my Giants have the V, that is not to say that there are no normals with it, they are like dogs, they can have different patterns and markings. The same is true with the loreal scales, Colombians have one and Argentines have two, however some Argentines only have one, as well as I am sure there are Colombians with two. As a rule, yes, but not always the case.

 

[Mike P.]

Seems to me, perhaps Rick made an error in shipping - I'm sure he's not the only one - Some "Kid" came on here and started a bad guy post on Rick and I tend to believe that was egged on - Things were settled, and judging by that pic, I believe to satisfaction...

Now we get to this stage of course - Mines Chaco, yours is not - Mine is this, yours is not ect... Which in fact has nothing to do with this thread whatsoever - Than the personal crap come out between Bobby and Rick, which once again has no business in this thread IMO.

You know, to me it just gets so childish some of the crap on here, and it's quite clear with the clique on here who takes one side, and who takes the other, and than there are some "Wes for example" - who really do not have a clue as to what they are talking about, and perhaps should just sit on the sidelines until they are more informed...

Now comes my time to post in which some of you may think is one sided - I've kept a few Tegu's in my time, and in doing research came across Ricks site - I've never bred them, but was an enthusiastic keeper - So much so that I was asked to moderate the site, and than was asked "unknowingly " to help admin the site - And I did so with great pleasure to help and inform others with any questions or concerns in care, husbandry, housing ect...

Back than, there were only 3 Tegu breeders that I was aware of - Bert, Ron, and Rick - Bobby was not yet at that point, but was working on it and now is there. If I'm incorrect, than please refresh my memory with facts...

As far as stealing pics so on and so forth, I remember that it was Bobby posting links to "Rick's" video on the Tegu's - Was not that using someone else's work for self promotion ?

Rick, you were a friend of mine that in which we lost contact once I got out of Tegu's - Bobby you too were once a friend of mine that we spent a late night talking on the phone about the Tegu's - We were all friends at one time, but things split us up - I'm not going to pick sides here, but wish you both the best of luck - Until either of you go down to Arg. yourselves, and pick your own stock, call them what you will, and be as honest as you can...

Teiidae.

 

[varnyard]

Oh? Wes, BOBBY is the one trying to claim he didn't solicit members of Rick's site to join Bobby's new site, and I just pointed out he did indeed. So have other people.
Hey look. That means Bobby lied, unless you think he "forgot" that he asked multiple members of Rick's site to join his site.
AND in Rick's own chatroom too.
THAT'S how it's relevant. So I'll wait while you think up some other way that Bobby still isn't in the wrong at all.

You are Rick's members, do you really think I would want you there? I gave you a invite? And Josh is one of the worst at making crap up on animals, do you really think I want that? Lets get real here, you have never liked me Wolfy, why act like the sweet muffin now?

And yours look like mine?

 

[snake5007]

You asked me in a PM through IRC, Bobby. I was only in Rick's tegu chat at the time, too. I never really thought anything of it, but if you want proof...

Session Start: Wed Jan 23 20:57:05 2008
Session Ident: Varnyard
[20:57] Session Ident: Varnyard (SorceryNet, lollapalooza) ([email protected])
[20:57] <Varnyard> Hey bro
04[20:57] <lollapalooza> hey
04[20:57] <lollapalooza> I would've responded to that thread on Fauna, but I havent been able to connect to it for a few days
[20:57] <Varnyard> You seen my website
[20:58] <Varnyard> It is down
[20:58] <Varnyard> Server problems
04[20:58] <lollapalooza> ah, ah
04[20:58] <lollapalooza> your website?
[20:58] <Varnyard> www.TeguTalk.com
[20:58] <Varnyard> I opened it in October
04[20:59] <lollapalooza> getting big?
[20:59] <Varnyard> Yes
[21:00] <Varnyard> Over 11000,00 posts
[21:00] <Varnyard> Avrage 112 posts a day
04[21:01] <lollapalooza> jebus
[21:02] <Varnyard> Yea it is growing real fast
Session Close: Wed Jan 23 21:09:53 2008

I don't see where Bobby asked you to join.

 

[varnyard]

I don't see where Bobby asked you to join.

Yea, it looks like I was taking about my site being down, and he says I invited him to it when it was down.

 

[Wolfy-hound]

I liked you just fine Bobby. In fact we chatted a lot, until you started going off the deep end at people.(common theme for a lot of people it seems)
You DID ask me to come to your site, you DID ask those others to come to your site, and you know it.
I never said MY tegu looked like your tegu, and I DARE you to show ANYWHERE I ever did say that.
BY the way, the argentine B&W I do own I bought from YOU, or will you ALSO deny that too?
As for acting "sweet muffin" I'm not acting any way but honest. It's you that attack everything that won't blindly agree with you. Just like you're doing now, just like you've done before. Just like you'll no doubt do later on as well.

 

[SiscoReptiles]

Really there is no morph Argentines, the colors range for high white to very dark and all the shades in between. Rick needs to answer at what point of the shade they become Chacoan? So black to white, where does it change to a morph Chacoan white head Rick?

Bobby, This is the point you are not getting through your thick ass head!!! Color nor size dictate what a "chacoan" is, though they do typically tend to be lighter. It's the region from which they are collected that makes them 'chacoan'. I am an American, I am large as hell and loosing my hair.. You are an American, but you are tiny as hell with a mullet.. We are still both Americans.

And Rick, do show the juvy/sub-adults you have like mine, you claim yours are the same, show the proof. Lets see those creamy silver babies.

If I didn't sell out of them a month after producing them, if I still had one here, I would indeed take a picture for you to place under your pillow too.

Rick, you once again are stretching the truth, all of my Giants have the V, that is not to say that there are no normals with it, they are like dogs, they can have different patterns and markings. The same is true with the loreal scales, Colombians have one and Argentines have two, however some Argentines only have one, as well as I am sure there are Colombians with two. As a rule, yes, but not always the case.

Ahh.. so now you change your definition? You claimed that all true chacoans, and only true chacoans have a V under their neck. That is how you told people they could tell my false chacoan from your true chacoan!

Why would he not take pictures? He has pictures of everything else, as well as videos.

Bobby, I have some pictures. Some come out clear and get shared, some come out poorly so I generally delete them and don't post them. I used to spend much time taking pictures of all of my tegus, as you can see in my photo gallery on thetegu.com, but you will also note that I had just purchased a new camera back then and was a bit picture happy. Take notice of the dates all of those pictures were being taken. I soon realized I was spending more time standing away from my tegus taking pictures and not spending my free moments sitting with them. This is why you have pictures of your tegus and I have tame and social tegus that people near and wide have heard of.

He is trying to fool this board with his games, he is digging to try to find a way out.

I am not digging man, people are just starting to see the truth. It is you who is digging. Prove that your tegus are from Chaco, and then prove that my tegus are not from Chaco and the whole mess will be over with.

ORRRR...

Just leave me to hell alone and stop spreading lies about the chacoans, stick to your new "Extreme Giant" name and I will be happy to say, "Bobby has some large ass "extreme giants".

I already showed a picture of a hatchling that I produced. It was a picture I took last year. I have shown you were wrong about claiming I did not produce any eggs/hatchlings but you still will not stop.

As for Davey, you are correct, that is just it, he claims his are exactly like mine. Hell mine would eat his little tegus, but he claims his are Chacoan giants. His so called Chacoans are not even as big as my normals.

Your chacoans would eat mine, merely because mine are tame and yours are mean as hell, right? You were called on the 'dog tame' bluff this summer by a few customers of yours. You even had to replace one of the mean ass things.

Rick

 

[ItsJustJosh]

You're right Bobby. We're ALL lying. We're making it up.
Who is running your site now? Oh. Former members of Rick's site. Because we didn't drink the kool-aid, now we're all out to get you?

It's been said that you've got a screw loose somewhere. The more you go on, the more apparent it becomes. So by all means, go on.

 

[varnyard]

Rick, size does matter, is a poodle a great dane? they are both dogs, just as these are both tegus. I could feed you tegus to my Giants, lets see those giants you have Rick.

As for Josh, you are a troll, that is why you are banned on my chat. You came in to troll.

As for size, that is a 12 inch paper plate Rick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz5mvOpCnvI

looks like three foot tegus to me, not 5 ft like this;

Now I agree you are much fatter than me, you are one chunky boy, but I do weigh 210.

 

[SiscoReptiles]

This is pretty simple to resolve.. well, all but the jumbled up personal crap, which doesn't really need to be resolved anyways, I would no longer trust Bobby anyways.. You saw in his own post that I tried to resolve it from the begining, but he was not interested. A true friend would indeed try to give a true friend a chance to redeem himself. The fact is Bobby and I don't get along any more. This has escalated from the actual issue posted to this BOI, the issue I resolved with the customer and should never have even been brought here.

But as stated.. This is pretty simple to resolve.

I can not prove my chacoans were imported originally from Chaco. As such, even though I purchased them as chacoans, and even thought I honestly believe them to be chacoans.. I decided to drop the 'term' chacoans and sell them as "white heads". Was this dishonest of me? No, I sold tegus for what they were, I just now decide to avoid future issues by removing the name.

All Bobby needs to do is prove his were imported from chaco, or stop using the chacoan name.

Correct?

Rick

 

[snake5007]

You're right Bobby. We're ALL lying. We're making it up.

It wouldn't be the first time i've seen that happen. I don't know what it is, but something don't smell too good.