Rick Sisco - Sisco Reptiles

[ravensgait]

here lets see if a Drum roll will get things going

 

[KelliH]

I'm on the edge of my seat!

 

[DaveyFig]

Does anyone have a picture of a 3 year old Extreme Giant they could post while we wait? I don't care if it has reproduced yet or not. I dont need to see big eggs, and big babies. I just wanna see what they look like at 3 years, when they stop growing.

 

[RJK890]

Originally Posted by RJK890 in Post #240:
Rick,
You said you purchased your tegu's as "Chacoan White Heads," and that you believe that they are from Chaco, right.
Who did you purchase them as "Chacoan White Heads" from, Was it Ron?

David Michael Blair, I am not posting here because I have an axe to grind, I have nothing personal against Bobby. I asked Rick similar questions to those KellyH asked of Bobby. I think Bobby has beautiful tegu's that are Giants. I just don't see Rick trying to say that his animals are the same as Bobby's or Giants. In fact he has said numerous times that they are not.

Bobby is the one who has hijacked this "Rick Sisco-Good Guy" thread with his advertising and smear campaign on Rick. Bringing up the Daytona drama, claiming Rick has never bred tegu's, never produced many BP morph's, misrepresents animals, is a fraud, and claims to have the same tegu's as Bobby's "Chacoan Giants," with no proof at all. Oh that's right, Rick opened the door by bringing Bobby into this when he stated that Ron, Bobby, and Himself had all dropped "Chacoan" from their tegu's name because nobody could prove the origin of their animals .

Originally Posted by Ameivaboy:
Rick, to set the record straight I had nothing to do with her coming here.
I simply pm'd her (remind you this was 8 months or so ago right before my ban on your site) and told her she was getting a fake chacoan from you and she needed to talk to Bobby. That's all I said to her. Her choice to come here was not by my doing nor my intention (actually my intentions were to make her feel stupid which apparently I accomplished for her trying to trash my knowledge in an unrelated thread, if i remember correctly) Point is, I had nothing to do with "instigating her to come her and posting a bad guy thread"

Bobby, were you the one to tell Kevin that Rick had sold a fake het to Katie? Kevin then gave her that misinformation and told her to contact you.

Originally Posted by Kazzyscritters in Bobby's Good Guy thread about 3 hours prior to posting in this thread:
Great guy, never done business with him but will be purchasing a true Chacoan from him eventually. Wish I would have bought from Bobby instead of the other breeder. You've helped me through a lot, Bobby. Thanks!
-Katie

Apparently Katie did contact you prior to making her post's because she thanked you for helping her through a lot, and state's that she will be purchasing a true Chacoan from you eventually. So Bobby, did you fuel her by telling her that Rick had "scammed" her by selling her a "fake Chacoan" which is not a fact, and that you had the only "true Chacoan's" which is also not a fact?
Katie has only made 3 post(at least in the BOI) since joining Fauna, and all three were made on 3/7/08. One was in another Good Guy thread @ 8:??pm, the other two were Post #23 in the Bobby Hill Good Guy thread @ 8:??pm, and her post #56 in this thread @ 11:??pm. Sock Puppet?

 

[RJK890]

Originally Posted by RJK890:
Bobby, were you the one to tell Kevin that Rick had sold a fake het to Katie? Correction: fake Chacoan.

Originally Posted by RJK890:
So Bobby, did you fuel her by telling her that Rick had "scammed" her by selling her a "fake Chacoan" which is not a fact, and that you had the only "true Chacoan's" which is also not a fact?

Two simple questions.

 

[kmurphy]

Two simple questions.

Ah yes, but there are no simple answers.

 

[varnyard]

And the answer was already given, No and No. I cannot control what other people do, I had nothing to do with Kevin going to her, or her coming here.

She did ask me if Rick's were the same as mine, I told her NO, and they are not.

As for katie posting on my good guy thread, I did not have anything to do with that either, and really do not understand why she did without getting the animal first. As for helping her, I do not know what she is talking about unless it is my forums and website.

I could tell you mine came from a long time friend and well respected seller/breeder, but I will not drag them in here. Did he breed them, no, they came from Ron.


I could tell you that Rick's came from an old lady at a show, and that would be one story he tells, but then you would ask for proof, so where would that go? Or I could tell you that he got them from a WS, but that is yet another story told.

As for finding three year old animals like mine, they are not out there. Mine are the only tegus like this, and my oldest babies are not yet yearlings. I do think there were crosses like this, but no pure strains:

Do I have proof of this? No, but that tegu came from the same place mine did and was called Chacoan and he is not a white head. There were more pictures of him on Rick's site, but this users album went poof somehow.

As for me calling mine Chacoan, I did that before Rick, he changed his after mine, and then changed his back.

Do I have proof they came from Chaco, no. Do I have tegus that are twice as nice as Rick's? You bet ya!! The pictures say it all. I do not need to attack Rick to get my buyers, no, they look at mine and look at his, need I say more?

I will call mine Extreme Giants, I had to do that before to keep the leach at bay, I guess I will continue to do so from now on.

With that said, Jim is right, it is nothing but a waste of time.

 

[varnyard]

For the record, Bobby said Rick doesn't breed tegus, and Rick posted pictures showing proof.
Bobby said he did not poach members from Rick's site, and people posted to say yes he did.
Rick already stated that he did not claim to have Giants, he said Chacoan, and Chacoan Whiteheads, and now Whiteheads. The website info posted by someone else did not show him using the term Giant.

For the record, you think you know what you are talking about. Those pictures of a dry tegu are not what they look like when they hatch. He has has almost a year to come up with those great photos.

As for the poach, you have proof?? Ya might want to try an egg.

 

[KelliH]

OK, so your adult Extreme Giant breeders are only 3 years old, they came from Ron St. Pierre, you have successfully bred them once, and those babies that resulted from that breeding are not yet a year old. Thanks for answering the questions, Bobby. I wonder though, where did Ron get the animals? Were they captive bred? Were the parents wild collected? It would be cool if there were some sort of paper trail on them. Well, anyway, yours are super nice and I've been looking at a lot of tegu pics the past couple of days!

 

[kmurphy]

OK, so your adult Extreme Giant breeders are only 3 years old,

Actually Kelli, Bobby didn't say his were 3 years old. He was asked if there were 3 year old animals to compare to and his answer evidently is no. I believe it was to verify that the "giant" breeds true.

There were very few direct answers to the questions asked. Just more opinions and unsubstantiated accusations.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Actually Kelli, Bobby didn't say his were 3 years old. He was asked if there were 3 year old animals to compare to and his answer evidently is no. I believe it was to verify that the "giant" breeds true.

There were very few direct answers to the questions asked. Just more opinions and unsubstantiated accusations.

read above in post 307
"As for finding three year old animals like mine, "

 

[kmurphy]

Originally Posted by kmurphy
Actually Kelli, Bobby didn't say his were 3 years old. He was asked if there were 3 year old animals to compare to and his answer evidently is no. I believe it was to verify that the "giant" breeds true.

There were very few direct answers to the questions asked. Just more opinions and unsubstantiated accusations.



read above in post 307
"As for finding three year old animals like mine, "

Alicia, I believe that was to answer the query below posed by Davey Fig.

Does anyone have a picture of a 3 year old Extreme Giant they could post while we wait? I don't care if it has reproduced yet or not. I dont need to see big eggs, and big babies. I just wanna see what they look like at 3 years, when they stop growing.

 

[KelliH]

Hmmm. Bobby, can you please confirm the age of your tegus?

 

[Ameivaboy]

I never sent Katie anywhere, she came here on her own. Never once did I contact her or put anyone up to contacting her, she came to me and wanted one of my tegus nothing more.

This is very true.
With me telling her to talk to bobby this gave Katie the chance to see both peoples animals and make her own personal decision. That is completely on Katie as she was able to see both sides of things and could have talked to both of them in depth about chacoans and formed her own opinion.


Now, this thread is completely retarded and going nowhere.
I see a lot of people with WAY too much free time on there hands, qouting this,copying that and basically playing word games. I suggest all of you take a break from this retarded thread and go change some water dishes,clean cage,replace that bulb you've been meaning too or do something for your animals instead of just blabbing away and dragging this issue into the ground.


Enough relevant (and irrelevant) information has been provided here for whomever to form their own decisions. I think it's time to move on, but I know how this works and unfortunatly someone with too much free time will continue to


over and over again

 

[KelliH]

I suggest all of you take a break from this retarded thread and go change some water dishes,clean cage,replace that bulb you've been meaning too or do something for your animals

I've been doing that all night. I'm taking a little break.

 

[ravensgait]

Seems we still don't have the answers to the very simple questions.. Randy

 

[DaveyFig]

So the first Extreme Giants were born less than a year ago. How many clutches have there been? Is it only one pair of animals producing the large eggs and hatchlings? Do they have more eggs than normal black and whites?
Since nobody has pictures of a three year old Extreme Giant, could someone show a picture of a normal black and white at three years old, and a normal black and white at say...ten years old?

 

[romad119]

So this has the potential to be similair to Tremper's Moose just not enough generations produced to be certain its genetic?

 

[KelliH]

So this has the potential to be similair to Tremper's Moose just not enough generations produced to be certain its genetic?

Similar is right. Tremper Giant Leos are supposed to be a Co-dom morph, although I'm not completely convinced of that and I have been breeding them for several years.

 

[varnyard]

This is very true.
With me telling her to talk to bobby this gave Katie the chance to see both peoples animals and make her own personal decision. That is completely on Katie as she was able to see both sides of things and could have talked to both of them in depth about chacoans and formed her own opinion.


Now, this thread is completely retarded and going nowhere.
I see a lot of people with WAY too much free time on there hands, qouting this,copying that and basically playing word games. I suggest all of you take a break from this retarded thread and go change some water dishes,clean cage,replace that bulb you've been meaning too or do something for your animals instead of just blabbing away and dragging this issue into the ground.


Enough relevant (and irrelevant) information has been provided here for whomever to form their own decisions. I think it's time to move on, but I know how this works and unfortunatly someone with too much free time will continue to


over and over again

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner!!!